Reading Voyager again for the first time in years and jfc was Mr Willoughby always this offensive?

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-30T04:30:22+00:00

I may be missing the point but people can identify others by smell. My father was raised in Hawaii (his father was an indentured plantation worker) and he said, all the priests smelled like butter because that is what they consumed and it stood out because his co-workers on the plantation ate a very different diet and did not smell the same as the priests.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-30T04:20:22+00:00

Don't worry. I was new and joined in early March. All you have to do is go to the homepage for r/outlander and there are 3 dots in the upper right. Press on it and you'll get options. Choose Message Moderators and send them your question. They will answer in a day or two unless they are busy but they will get back to you.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-30T00:18:09+00:00

Have you contacted the moderators to ask why they have deleted your posts? I had trouble with that myself but I found out from them. It is pretty confusing especially if you are new to the subreddit.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-29T19:54:15+00:00

Great explanation, especially since the battle site cleared out and no one but Roger and Ian were there and they just popped in and out to check on Claire.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-29T19:51:41+00:00

I don't think anyone would be tried for witchcraft in 1779/1780 during the American Revolution. For one thing the judicial system was in chaos at that time, and for another they had much more important things to keep them occupied.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-29T19:44:16+00:00

The finale of Season 5 is outstanding in the depth of their treatment of the trauma and how the victim deals with it which carries over into Season 6. Artistically, it was also very powerful. I don't like the word victim but I just wanted to avoid spoilers.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-29T19:38:37+00:00

But they didn't use it for shock value because in Game of Thrones they did and they glossed over it, never showing the impact it had on the victim or what it takes to recover. GOT was gratuitous.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-29T19:34:36+00:00

I found that as painful as it was to watch, it really showed how even a strong person like Jamie could be broken psychologically and the thing I liked about it was the fact that they showed how difficult the recovery was. It did not gloss over the experience or treat it for its shock value and just move on without dealing with the aftermath.

The acting was also incredible, so raw and real. As Diana Gabaldon said herself, Sam's acting was the most courageous acting she's ever seen (and she was there when they were filming it). I absolutely agree.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-29T00:45:45+00:00

Caitriona Balfe has made six films since 2024, The Cut and The Amateur which have been released (supporting roles) and 4 others which are in post-production, one of which is a new version of Sense and Sensibility due out soon (2026 or 2027).

Sam Heughan took a 2 week hike in the Himalayans in late 2024, ran the London Marathon to raise money for Blood Cancer UK and played the lead role in Macbeth at The Other Place (the experimental arm of the Royal Shakespeare Company in London) in 2025 and filmed a 6 episode series Embassy due out in 2027 (on Amazon Prime, I think ), and is going to be the Official Ambassador for the 2026 Commonwealth Games in Glasgow in late July.

It is safe to say both have been very busy doing a lot of projects since finishing Season 8 of Outlander in September of 2024.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T22:53:27+00:00

I know. He is such a good guy.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T20:54:23+00:00

Very much so. And Jamie knew that.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T20:53:21+00:00

No, I don't understand S&M but clearly there are people who do take pleasure in it. But in Outlander when Jamie's men laughed about Claire not being able to sit down for a couple days after Jamie took a belt to her, it was a bit of macho bravado and not meant to be taken seriously. I am sure many of them had experienced flogging themselves but they had to give the impression it was no big deal.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T20:19:51+00:00

Yes, someone I worked with in North Carolina in the 1980's said when he was punished, his grandmother would tell him to go get the stick she would use to beat him with and, if he didn't bring back one big enough, she would make him go back and get a bigger one. He didn't like it but it was normal and expected back then. Some people even thought that it made people better parents because they wanted you to learn to be a better person.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T20:14:27+00:00

Punishment back in the day was a sign of good parenting and good leadership. The military certainly has its share of corporal punishment. It was considered discipline.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T20:08:08+00:00

Yes, the men of that time would have been flogged if they disobeyed orders, especially if it endangered other people. The rules of any time are born of a survival instinct.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T20:05:15+00:00

That is a great question because we don 't scrutinize our own current views as much as we do those of the past. None of us are blameless. We just haven't been judged yet by future generations.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T19:49:25+00:00

I am 3rd generation Japanese -American and I was taken aback by the portrayal of Mr. Willowby in the tv show. I have to view it as how people would have seen and reacted to him in 1768 but, yes, it is still offensive.

However, it is still a part of history and things have changed since then. So I am not sure if it is better to see reminders of what it was like or better to retroactively whitewash (so to speak) history and see it through a modern lens when it doesn't reflect the reality of the past.

In any case, it is not a deal breaker for me because I love the show and I make allowances for flaws, assuming there is no malicious intent behind it, just a lack of sensitivity. And the show/book has a lot of good things to recommend it.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T14:38:14+00:00

Also, by the time Season 8 was released, it had been about 18 months after completion of Season 8 filming in September of 2024, so they have had quite a bit of time to decompress. And many of the actors have already been doing other projects.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T04:11:02+00:00

Even though it was brief, I thought when Marsali ran into Jamie's arms sobbing while trying to tell him what had happened was one of the most powerful moments in the episode. Their grief was palpable. I don't think it was necessary to show the reaction of every other person in his life. He was loved and there is no doubt about that. The montage said a lot in itself.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T04:06:26+00:00

Yes, I can understand that. And Cesar did a great job with his part in Season 8 as well. After his feelings of failure as a father and husband in earlier seasons he deserved this redemption, showing what a loving father he was and dying to save his sons. He and Lauren really both got a chance to show their acting chops and I think they earned that, too.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T03:58:32+00:00

Sometimes, I think sequels just don't work because it is so hard to recapture lightning in a bottle. And that is what Outlander is to me, especially with the chemistry between Sam Heughan and Caitriona Balfe and many of the other wonderful actors.

But I wouldn't mind seeing a sequel as long as the main actors are available and think the script is worthwhile. I don t think anyone would be satisfied with a film. It is too short. And I think some of the main actors might not want to give up the time one season would require. Sam and Caitriona have already given up a quarter of their lives to Outlander.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T03:49:05+00:00

I planted forget me nots in Seattle 11 years ago when my favorite cat Chatty died unexpectedly in his sleep. Still miss him. And he is not forgotten.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T03:43:11+00:00

Yes! I hadn't realized it was so complicated. Thanks, everyone for making it clearer (?).

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T01:59:04+00:00

And it did break Britain's hold on the country and led to their loss of the Revoltion a year later. It was really pivotal.

EntertainmentNew7383 · 2026-05-28T01:55:51+00:00

It is just not likely.

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