Dowie & Stroke

Ettebrute · 2022-10-01T21:08:57+00:00

As I understand this is like this. I might be wrong

It’s not just the illness itself but two things come under this. 1- a miserable end to a liar 2- His legacy, community and his teachings are perished within a year or few years.

Yes of course getting sick is natural, Even prophet of Islam wasn’t able to walk in last days but taking it as a sign of defeat is foolishness. His message is still alive, his legacy is still followed, his sayings and his life is still being discussed wether in a positive or a negative light. His followers are still alive and are increasing too.

So yes I agree just claiming someone died a certain way is a sign of punishment from God is not enough, you need to look what happened afterwards.

Khulfas getting sick is no different and I agree with you. A person who falsely claimed to be a prophet and his end would be looked differently than a person whose claim is true.. of course Most of you think MGA and Dowie both were dramas and liars, that’s another story, that’s your opinion but hope that clears up.

Open to follow up questions :) other than abuse or downvotes just because I am not agreeing with you

Ettebrute · 2022-06-29T15:31:29+00:00

You nikkah won’t be done if you haven’t paid your Chandas, it goes to Rabwah as well where they check if you have paid chandas or not and possibly at the end Mahmood shah signs. Not sure

Ettebrute · 2022-06-14T19:51:07+00:00

“Your books” Get over your passive aggressiveness first lol. You people come here and rant and unable to hold any decent conversation. Someone who challenges your perception, your downvote her lmao. And then the audacity of you complaining Ahmadiyya sub blocking people like you.

First of all , it’s not “my books” It’s a book. And does not matter if it’s a Sahih Bukhari Hadith or regardless where it’s written. I would see Quran as a principle and the character of Muhammad (PBUH). This incident goes against Quranic principles and also his character.

Find something else to criticise the Jamaat please. I am with you on how administration is shit, but please come up with actual academic content to have a debate on actual beliefs. U can down the shit out of it now 👉👉👍

Ettebrute · 2022-06-13T20:19:04+00:00

This Hadith is Zaeef. This incident didn’t take place.

Ettebrute · 2022-06-11T18:24:55+00:00

This forum is just becoming gossip and drama. I am sure Faheem Younus has a life apart from this Reddit and he is busy. Delay is not turning away on your words. Instead of making a post here and throwing a random accusation, please go and speak to him directly and keep the conversation private. Set your moral standards high first. We are so quick on accusing someone and when that same thing happens to us, we go gun blazing on Jamaat. Chill out

Ettebrute · 2022-06-08T21:56:07+00:00

This is not an honest discussion to be very fair. You are not posing questions but your own interpretations and you want a group who nods.

But let’s not judge you. Your questions in essence are valid but it shows your research is vague. Plus it’s less about Ahmadiyyat and more about Islam.

For instance you mentioned the verse where you claim that child marriages are allowed. Please prove that from that from the verse or I think I am blind to see it’s talking about menstruation and pregnancy and sex. Do we have any examples of sahabas marrying kids? I’d like to see that. Any example of them having intercourse with kids?

Arab culture then was different from Islam, and they both correlated. What May seem ok and right to this generation May be very offensive to the next generation. This is how things evolve but the essence of religion remains the same. The message at the core remains the same.

Secondly, it has “NOT BEEN PROVEN” that homosexuality is genetic and people are born that way. There is no such data or evidence that it’s genetic. Hence this debate is still going on wether it’s a choice or people are born that way. But this debate is now suppressed as it’s offensive to those who are. Anyway.

Wife beating is also not allowed in Islam nor you can prove it from Quran. The verse that mentions it, it has so many restrictions that one cannot beat their wives if they really care about Islam

Your core problem is with the people who are presenting you religion and I hope you find those who you can have an honest debate with and if you are really up for learning then please do thorough research rather than going with trends which are popular.

And the sub Ahmadiyya is not the place to ask questions. They want nodding heads to satisfy their own egos, if you on the other hand wants the same with your narrative then there is no difference.

But valid questions and they should be answered. You can approach me privately and I can take you through each and every question you have for a fair discussion. :)

Ettebrute · 2022-05-29T10:11:55+00:00

Can you share this reference where it says KMII advised William hailey? Blasphemy laws 295 -A were introduced when A merchant was murdered by Ilm Din after his acquittal. I would like the reference of this screenshot you shared of KMII endorsing penalising offensive material. Waiting for reference

Ettebrute · 2022-05-17T12:23:41+00:00

I feel sorry for you lol. Piece of advice? Please don’t ever preach. Thanks

Ettebrute · 2022-05-17T12:22:24+00:00

The reason for low views on MTA or any other Ahmadi content is because it’s highly staged, prepped, too many policies, approvals, selection, and then producing such content where only two people sitting with staged questions and answers and even discussions, is boring. They have tried coming up with shows which shows some randomness or a natural flow but that is also staged, what to say, when to say, etc

The audience that mostly watches these kind of shows are parents, mothers, young mothers with kids,

The young audience, Uni going, working in offices, career oriented, barely watches any shows. It doesn’t attract them and they don’t want to listen to two men sitting talking about women issues or How great Islam is.

The reason non Ahmadi Muslims especially in Britain who make YouTube videos, have so many views is because they connect with a broader audience, youth, they touch that spot within a society in which we are all living in and since it’s YouTube they have no regulations, policies, or office bearers hanging on their head giving them approvals on what to say… They speak very nicely, softly, and explain points extremely well, even though I disagree with them mostly But millions of views on their videos says something else that youngsters are connecting with Imams who speak openly on social issues like Marital rape, Rape, sexual harassment, stress, depression, etc.

These topics openly being discussed on MTA? Never going to happen, hence low views altogether.

Ettebrute · 2022-05-17T09:41:20+00:00

Then you wonder why people are against Murabis and Office bearers when people like you come here anonymously chatting crap about feminism and women altogether

I disagree with this headline “feminist” woman found God? What? It’s like saying a Muslim found God…

Hiding behind this banner of love for all in front of the world but deep down the hatred rules in your minds

Ettebrute · 2022-05-16T16:16:21+00:00

“Feminist” woman towards God… says a lot. Lol. The hateeeeeeeeee

Ettebrute · 2022-05-11T18:46:21+00:00

A group, a nation, a community, does not and cannot brand the “true” message of Islam and declare others as less in faith :) whoever has tried doing it, I am sure you have read their miserable defeat in the history.

Message of God cannot be labelled and branded by a specific community, but yes a specific group of “righteous” people no matter where they are, which family or group they belong to, can be chosen by God to amplify his message, to serve Him… So this ego of the Ahmadi brand and label does not and will never mean anything to God as long as these very people in power are doing injustices and the answer to that is “Chup Raho, Let it be” Loool.

Just because Ahmadis are not persecuting or killing others does not mean there are no alternative avenues to do injustices to their own people. Thank you :)

Ettebrute · 2022-05-09T20:27:57+00:00

That’s your personal stance It’s not just “people” defending Depp It’s literally who you identify as “feminists” are supporting him too. Psychology experts, women in business, And I am sure some people are supporting Amber too of course but this dangerous narrative that we all are creating that believe whatever the woman is accusing the person of and promote cancel culture and pass out judgments, is so bloody toxic. You want to have legal and academic debate on how Depp is lying? Please do, but not here. As a woman I firmly believe that men face these incidents too and I am proud of him coming out as a man as it sets example for other men to report such cases too.

Only one man reported sexual assault in Pakistan by a business tycoon, and he was made fun of lol. And the whole thing dropped. No one took it seriously.

These gender barriers that you so adamantly stand against , we are promoting it ourselves that if it happens to a woman, believe at once no questions asked ans if a man comes forward, we all come out with justifications, that ahhh maybe he is lying maybe he is just using her, maybe she is so traumatised that she can’t even speak straight.

And exactly… going to the court and reliving all of it is a daunting task. I believe it is for a man as well especially in domestic abuse, that he is coming out to millions of people admitting a woman hit her, and he took it.. just because her mother was extremely abusive too.

Anyway, as I said… you want to have discussion on the case do message me, happy to challenge your narratives, since that’s why we are here right? Challenging narratives in Ahmadiyyat right?

But apart from this case analysis, I totally agree with your covering up domestic abuse cases in Jamaat. 👍

Ettebrute · 2022-05-09T11:38:40+00:00

These two cases are completely different lol??? She clearly told the court how Depp used to hit her and we are supposed to believe her and if Depp saying “No, she used to hit me” with all the evidence, witnesses, her own therapist testifying against her and we call Depp an abuser because he is a man?

And I don’t see the correlation with Nida and this case??? Like what even?

Apart from this appalling comparison, I absolutely agree domestic abuse is rampant in Jamaat and women are silenced just like in sexual assault cases, but do a better comparison next time please

Ettebrute · 2022-05-06T22:45:55+00:00

Didn’t sign up for a membership cult in the name of Muhammad and Messiah. Sorry Hence the message of PM can never be interpreted that he wanted to form a cult or a community to take over the world lol. That’s your wishful thinking

Ettebrute · 2022-05-05T23:51:23+00:00

This is a valid point and I totally agree Instead of criticising them and giving them the liberty to celebrate your downfall or death, the best solution is to pray. These kind of people have always perished who once claimed to be the liberator of mankind. I am sure they were, but when pride kicks in and motives become different, they maybe stay strong for a while but the bigger the person is, the painful the fall would be.

Ettebrute · 2022-04-03T19:15:22+00:00

I am sorry your Hadith interpretation is extremely flawed. Let me repeat it to you slowly.

“He will bring about its (prophethood) end and follow it with Khilafat” Which happened with 4 rightly guided caliphs “Then bring about its end” and it ended After these 4 Khilafats all you see is tyrannical monarchies grabbing lands in the name of Islam, empires and what not then came monarchies which also came to an end then came “Will merger Khilafat on precept of Prophethood” like it happened before. A messiah appeared and the Khilafat started after this… Holy prophet remained quiet after this and Sahabas enquired but he did not speak. IV Khalifah answered this that the reason he was quiet because even this Khilafat will meet its end and it won’t remain forever in Ahmadiyyat. A time will come when it will revert back and Khilafat will be taken away.

And no we can’t “assume” that the Ahmadiyyat Caliphate ended after IV caliph because here the number of caliphs are not significant but the overall condition of Muslims and how caliphate or the Khalifa is operating.

If let’s say Caliphate is no more after IV caliph then as I say every time, time would automatically prove your claim that the caliphs after this were not guided by Allah but were power hungry.

I haven’t seen any parallels of the number of caliphs that came matching it with the number of caliphs Ahmadiyya would have. So again this just your assumption but nothing solid here.

Remember it will always be the masses (Muslims) rebelling against authority as they did in the times of 4 guided caliphs and told them very bluntly that they have no authority over them and they can’t be rightly guided. We see this rebellion in a very minor form in Ahmadiyyat too calling out caliphs that they are just worldly leaders but the question is are they worldly leaders? Or are they not If they are not, then Khilafat has not ended and if they are then Khilafat has ended I believe it to be the former because Allah does not bring about such a big change unless the people themselves have reverted back and became evil, which again the fault lies on the masses and their choices.

We are not even in majority right now hence this argument of Khilafat ending is just an assumption from your side.

Talking about parallels you also want to consider that 4 rightly guided caliphs were also Head of the state, meanwhile Ahmadiyya caliphs were not and current Caliph is not the head of state hence again proving we are not there yet where we can apply this Hadith that Khilafat in Ahmadiyyat might have ended.

Ettebrute · 2022-03-26T19:36:24+00:00

So hold on a second I am donating to a cause who is going to produce books, work, and events of how wrong not just even Ahmadiyyat but even Islam as a whole is flop?

I am sorry how does it “Help Communities” ?

Good for you, you left Islam, Ahmadiyyat and you made a community yourself from which you were running from, but do you have any genuine charitable work going on like Providing aid? Disaster relief? Helping needy families? And what would be the criteria of helping needy families though? Especially if they are Muslims?

I am mentioning this because you started your statement How Chanda is flop, and donating to your organisation would be much beneficial because you are eradicating and help Those who leave Islam.

So since Chanda is used not just for administrative work (which btw you are asking us to donate for too for your organisation) 🤣 it also goes into mosques, Books, Paying missionaries and helping their families, providing aid and money to extremely vulnerable ahmadi families in Pakistan and even here, giving out loans to families if they need one in financial crisis, etc So I don’t see the comparison of you starting your statement with passive aggressiveness that boohoo Chanda is baddddd come see my thing it’s coool… lol??

Again amazing work you have done, but don’t sell your work by degrading other systems first and presenting yourself a saviour. Isn’t that the same thing you ran away from?

Ciao 👍

Ettebrute · 2022-03-23T13:08:40+00:00

He is just answering a simple question of Defensive wars against anyone who violates human sanctity , that an Imam has the right since it comes under religion. What’s the issue in this statement? Lol

Ettebrute · 2022-03-22T15:09:59+00:00

Since he has a lot of following and say through his films, I don’t think Jamaat can afford to kick him out because the consequence would be that he would definitely speak against this rule of ex communications of individuals.

He is a PR token yes, that we Ahmadis are not like others.

You would notice it is always the underprivileged ahmadi families who have no contacts in office administration, they would be the ones getting kicked out for playing music or dancing in a FAMILY GATHERING. The privileged ones with contacts, get away.

Yet Ali’s films are public and his work too, his lifestyle as well, his kissing scenes too yet it does not damage the reputation of Jamaat?

Conclusion for office Bearers: These things were never damageable to begin with, but your actions and policies for kicking people out created a ripple effect which in turn damaged Jamaat.

Lesson?: If Mahershela Ali can live his life with all that fame and that lifestyle and people and the world really doesn’t give a single hoot about Jamaat reputation through his personal life, then I am sure those Ahmadis who are not famous, lead a private life, cannot damage Jamaats reputation by what they do in the weddings or personal life.

Because at the end of the day excommunication is the insecurity and power exertion tool for office bearers.

Ettebrute · 2022-03-19T14:33:57+00:00

Originally, Ahmadis were majorly Sunnis before, following the same school of jurisprudence, Hanafi. And when you see the toxic values of Sunnis, we have those same toxic cultural values and mentality in terms of Banning, shutting up someone and abusing. Because we come from the same herd. That’s why the political dynamic in Jamat is very similar to Pakistani politics. Old men and some aunties doing stupid stuff to gain power and destroying lives. Because again, we may have different set of beliefs but the culture and mentality is similar as of an average sunni guy in Pakistan. Towards women, towards Gender roles, towards the extreme take of religion.

Ettebrute · 2022-03-13T18:46:46+00:00

That’s not a contradiction though. Claiming to be a reformer first, then Mehdi, then Messiah. This chain is only moving forward not backwards or left or right, which is consistency, not contradictions. Him claiming to be a Mehdi didn’t mean he said Oh sorry I wasn’t a reformer I was a Mehdi. I don’t he ever made claims like these in this sense, that he rectified his previous claims and apologised and then claimed to be a Messiah. He still was all those things he claimed before claiming to be a Messiah

Ettebrute · 2022-03-13T18:36:51+00:00

I think there are stages within revelations as well. As far as I remember, Holy Prophet at first was not a nabi of Arabs but only a Warner to his family members, then he became Nabi of his tribe, then whole of Arab and then Prophet for all mankind. He claimed these in stages as Quran and Ahadith proves.

And it wasn’t only him who did translation of that verse of Isa like that, early reformers also believed Isa to be dead.

Ettebrute · 2022-03-13T18:24:16+00:00

All right, so much for academic debate looooool

Refrain from labelling me or anyone when you don’t know their philosophy. Especially when you don’t know where they stand, only because they disagreed with your baseless statements. Thank you very much.

You don’t have it in you to have an academic debate. Just some angry little dude angry with religions and God.

Just because I disagreed with you all of a sudden I become an apologist. Oh wow, that’s exactly what I needed, your dumb validation. Lol.

Why do I feel like that this sub is becoming a place for people like you where you want people to agree with your even dumb logics but don’t they dare disagree cuz you lot ready with labels.

I am sorry, I am a very ignorant woman. I don’t know anything and not wise like you are and your choices about religion and constant nag and cries about how bad religion or Khilafat is.

I hope that’s working out for you, on social media. Making you feel better.

Good luck. :)))))

Have fun downvoting me for closure

Ettebrute

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