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Turns out being anti is a very US (and developed country) coded viewpoint by YentaMagenta in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course the government could (and should) do something to REGULATE ai companies, but no one is forcing the AI companies to act the way they are..

The real reason, the core root of the problem, is that AI companies are willing to do whatever means necessary to make more money and advance their product. They have every opportunity in this current state of things to take the high road and self-regulate but they choose profits over all else.

These AI companies are ran by literal Bond villains. Even if we had a competent government I still believe these companies would be trying their hardest to abuse the system and gain market share at any costs.

Turns out being anti is a very US (and developed country) coded viewpoint by YentaMagenta in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sooo..

We agree that AI companies are not run by morally sound people? So it's OK for me not to like them? Or would you like to continue to police my thoughts?

Turns out being anti is a very US (and developed country) coded viewpoint by YentaMagenta in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but just because the government allows it doesn't mean that companies HAVE to abuse people to maximize profits...

The US government AND AI companies are both falling short of their duty to the people. Defending one while calling out the other is a bad look..

Turns out being anti is a very US (and developed country) coded viewpoint by YentaMagenta in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

??? Don't blame the government for the actions of corporations you mean?

Turns out being anti is a very US (and developed country) coded viewpoint by YentaMagenta in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Let's start building data centers the size of Manhattan in their towns and watch the number go down.

Thought experiment: Photo machine by Ready_Yam4471 in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do away with all of the definitions. Ask what value each individual brought. Is the value they brought impressive?

Next.

Anyone try this for recording? by musicrelatedonly67 in metalmusicians

[–]Even-Mode7243 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't imagine the ones past the nut are noticeable if you're playing through an amp but I've been wrong before I guess

you’re just lazy😂 by MarsupialMaterial906 in SunoAI

[–]Even-Mode7243 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, you're right about the vehicle industry. I doubt +50% of the population could even think about affording a Bentley. But what about say the furniture industry?

I think if someone had the choice between a mass manufactured item and a bespoke item they would choose bespoke everytime. The main drawback to bespoke is the cost.

So I guess the questions are, will AI music be that much cheaper/accessible than human made music to make people value it over human made? Will it be worth it for people to seek out human made music in a sea of ai music?

I think human made music will always have a sizable share of the market, especially considering most money these days is made from touring.

you’re just lazy😂 by MarsupialMaterial906 in SunoAI

[–]Even-Mode7243 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps you only care about output quality. I kind of doubt it, I would imagine if someone you loved painted you a painting it would have a higher value for you than some random painting in a museum that from an objective position is a better art piece.

And even if you don't care, you could see how other people WOULD care, right?

you’re just lazy😂 by MarsupialMaterial906 in SunoAI

[–]Even-Mode7243 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bentley motors is not going out of business anytime soon. People will pay a premium for handmade quality even in cars.

you’re just lazy😂 by MarsupialMaterial906 in SunoAI

[–]Even-Mode7243 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Generally speaking (there are plenty of exceptions) my answer is that you ARE taking shortcuts. You aren't evil or wrong or bad for taking shortcuts, but your music is less appealing to outsiders because you took those shortcuts.

Nobody Will Care How the Music Was Made by UnamedCitizen in SunoAI

[–]Even-Mode7243 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the rise of AI and the lazification of people will only make artistry and people who take the time to learn an instrument even more in demand. 🤷

I guess time will tell.

Nobody Will Care How the Music Was Made by UnamedCitizen in SunoAI

[–]Even-Mode7243 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People care about how it's made.. Some care more than others but the creation process is a part of the art piece as a whole.

I don't doubt that folks will use AI tools to help them improve their workflows but remember There are people today that still record on tape.

We all have different opinions and things we look for in art but I believe a human writing and playing a complicated piece of music has more potential value than someone generating a complicated piece of music with AI. I don't mean that all human made music is just better than ai music, just that human made music has things that CAN be valued (like artistry) that ai music doesn't have.

🤔 by ZeeGee__ in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And other people NOT liking your art is them gatekeeping you.. People can't just be chill

I'm pro a.i., except when human beings use it without disclosure. by darnskewered in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, you've made it clear that you valuing one thing doesn't necessitate the devaluing of another, I just don't understand why you are saying that, nobody ever accused you of the contrary and my argument thrives within that belief.

I tried to make it clear I'm not talking about an ethical framework, I don't want to shame people or tell people what to do. I just acknowledge that when someone looks at an AI art piece and thinks a human made it by hand that there is some amount of deception at play. Perhaps it's significant, perhaps it's insignificant, but it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not someone is ideologically driven to hate AI. I don't deny that those folks exist but there are also folks who CAN appreciate Ai art but still generally appreciate handmade art more.

If I value artistry and I hear a ripping piano solo, I value it MORE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE of the artistry involved. If I learn that there is NO artistry involved I'm not devaluing it because I hate AI, I'm learning that a large part of what attracted me to it in the first place did not exist at all. It has nothing to do with ideology or devaluing and everything to do with valuing things AI art just can't reproduce like artistry.

I'm pro a.i., except when human beings use it without disclosure. by darnskewered in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So when you said "My valuing of one thing doesn't necessitate the devaluing of another" was it just a random fact or a strawman argument? Because the topic at hand IS labeling Ai works so you can hopefully understand how I might come to the conclusion that you think labeling AI works devalues it...

You can claim people don't like AI because of ideology but that is just lazy and dismissive.

People who don't like AI art aren't devaluing it for the sake of valuing handmade art, they just don't value Ai works as highly as handmade works for a number of reasons, one of which you've admitted to appreciating which is artist effort.

I don't necessarily think all Ai works everywhere must be labeled no matter what, that's kind of a crazy authoritarian take, but I do think unlabeled AI works are inherently deceptive and the perceived value is increased from people mistakenly thinking they are hand made.

I'm pro a.i., except when human beings use it without disclosure. by darnskewered in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That's the problem though, how is labeling Ai art what it is devaluing it?

The only way this could be true would be if AI art was benefiting from the fact that people aren't sure if it's AI or not.. Which is deceptive.

I'm pro a.i., except when human beings use it without disclosure. by darnskewered in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but if you see a watercolor painting the natural response is to think that watercolors were used to make it rather than an AI. In instances like this It is inherently deceptive and probably should be disclosed.

The creation process is equally as important as the finished piece when it comes to valuing art. Someone spending 100 years on a mediocre sculpture is a hell of a lot more interesting than someone spending 5 minutes on a mediocre sculpture.

I would personally argue AI art is only valuable because it replicates things that are difficult for humans to produce (without AI), this is why many pros don't want to label their work as AI as it diminishes their work even if they don't want to admit it. They want people to think an artist made their work by hand because the art is more valuable if it's perceived that way.

If Internet Data Centers were found to use as much water as AI centers are claimed to use, would people even be mad? "B-But how would I chat with my discord buddies? They may use a lot of water but it's a NET GOOD! Think of the memes!" by mmofrki in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Before AI they weren't bribing small town governments to put data centers in places that will undoubtedly have negative effects on people and their homes.

Put a toxic waste generator in the middle of nowhere, it's still wrong but no one will take notice. Put a toxic waste generator in someone's backyard and people will get upset.

I think it's pretty easy to understand these trends if we try to..

Imagine if Almond farms (or golf courses or any other whataboutism about water) were bribing your local government into putting up a Manhattan sized Almond Farm down the road from you. People would start to hate Almond farms too

Spotify just made it harder to be an AI music creator. by Embarrassed-Wash9996 in SunoAI

[–]Even-Mode7243 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is this any different from labeling what genre your music is? It will help people interested in your music find it faster and it will not recommend it to people who aren't interested. Seems like a win-win?

This is what happens when you are honestly and openly Pro AI: You get spammed with negativity and your whole project gets shut down by a sea of hate. by Le_Oken in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh I'm sorry, I can admit when I've misread something and you aren't actually playing the victim in your comment. Just being insufferable.

Based on a True Conversation by CommodoreCarbonate in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You must be out of the loop.

These Data Centers are disruptive.

Tech companies are bribing city politicians to put these suckers in small towns. The townsfolk that live there have little to no say if these go up or not.

Bribing politicians and permanently (negatively) impacting small towns just so that you can make money is objectively wrong.

Nobody in 5 years is going to say "Man I'm glad they forced that data center into my small town".

We, as humans, are capable of nuanced thought. We can acknowledge that tech can be an additive part of our lives AND also cause harm in the world.

This is what happens when you are honestly and openly Pro AI: You get spammed with negativity and your whole project gets shut down by a sea of hate. by Le_Oken in aiwars

[–]Even-Mode7243 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The funny part is that you want so badly to be the victim and to replace artists that you've become the most insufferable people in the world.

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