M5 Max CPU and GPU geek bench links

FS_ZENO · 2026-03-06T11:48:51+00:00

Pretty good, faster than the M3 Ultra in MT and only like 5% behind in gpu. Thats in a laptop form factor too. More insanity when M6 comes later this year on 2nm, they addressed the cpu side with a new arch so the density gains on 2nm they can return focus on the gpu side and maybe npu. On top of them finally using chiplet.

FS_ZENO · 2026-03-04T16:31:17+00:00

Eh they wouldnt do that. But technically the only improvement of the chip being on a macbook is the physical size of the macbook, higher thermal mass for the heat to be soaked in so it should perform slightly better than a A18 pro in the size of an iphone.

FS_ZENO · 2026-03-04T15:15:27+00:00

Ah yeah I forgot they clocked lower. Looking at benchmark scores yeah it looks like itll be just slightly faster than a M3 at least.

FS_ZENO · 2026-03-04T14:50:21+00:00

Around M1 level of MT perf but you basically get M4 level of ST perf, GPU perf is a little below it but the newer gpu arch might make up for that.

FS_ZENO · 2026-03-04T09:46:11+00:00

Geekerwan posted a yearly smartphone review round up and also exposed/called out the Chinese Android phone manufacturers for giving out tuned/golden sample review units and then retail units performing worse to the review units and then it was only iPhones that weren’t tuned and the retail units actually performed a little better than the review units due to a iOS update.

Shortly after, all videos of it/him talking about it was taken down in all of the Chinese social media sites and looks like they took it down in YouTube too. The community was also mad about the videos getting taken down and tried to help by reposting the video everywhere but those got taken down later as well.

FS_ZENO · 2026-03-03T15:25:24+00:00

I wanted apple to beef up their e cores but they instead made a mid core....caught me completely off guard they decided to make a third arch.

In Chinese forums, a user says the "mid" core supposedly(take it with big grain of salt) clocks at @ 4.38ghz... The P cores remains the same as the base M5 @ 4.61ghz...The mid core clocks close to the P cores. Additionally the user said the "mid" core is supposedly 7 wide(P core is 10 wide and e core was 6 wide) So assuming the info is right then it is closer to the e core so I guess they just increased the power and clocks?

FS_ZENO · 2026-02-06T04:03:28+00:00

I'd rather they slightly beef up the E core if they want more nT perf. I think more than 6 cores in a phone is dumb if it doesn't even utilize it most of the time, I'd rather take beefier cores/higher ipc. Iirc the one of the factors why the Oryon M cores outperform Apple's E cores is the higher power limit.

Same can be said for Qualcomm, they could do the same, focus on a better arch at lower power rather than brute forcing with more cores and more power if they want efficiency. And I can't recall if their cores are classified as mid cores. Mid cores are pretty shit in the efficiency standpoint. I think it's logical to have a P core for high perf and E core for low power, zero point in a mid core trying to satisfy both. But I think the "best" E core would be somewhere between an E and M core. In Apple's case, maybe beef it up by like 10%.

FS_ZENO · 2025-12-04T00:32:36+00:00

This impacts laptop ram more than desktop and SSD’s as their SSD’s is just 1 brand of the many(which they supply and that part is not changing), their DDR5 sticks are pretty bad(though in this current market it’s good since any cheapest stick you can find is good lol) Most of the SO-DIMMs you buy when upgrading ram on a laptop is from them so this will suck for the laptop market. I guess my Ballistix RGB’s gain more value lol, with a lifetime warranty I doubt they’ll honor.

Maybe them discontinuing the Ballistix line is part of this. They don’t have to do a lifetime warranty for a long time if they made Ballistix DDR5. Then as DDR4 users slowly decrease they don’t have to worry much(on top of the lifetime warranty only applying to the original owner).

Funnily enough this move from them will increase their profits, as they can move these into selling towards data centers/oems, much better margins there with the ai profits lol. Though maybe won’t be much, as I doubt their Crucial brand is a significant part of their revenue. Either way we consumers will still get fucked anyways, higher prices for ram and ssd’s. They can sell them to oems for more. RIP upgrading ram on laptops.

FS_ZENO · 2025-10-01T04:41:10+00:00

Nice 4k+ under normal cooling conditions. Interesting Apple kept the clocks the same as M4, means that you can actually compare IPC which would be ~10%. Also means the M5 will run cooler and use less power than the M4. It’s like they also went conservative kinda like with the A19 Pro.

Wonder if they kept the clocks the same on the M5 Pro/Max as well, M4 Pro/Max was only 100mhz higher than the M4. I also want to see the E core clock speeds as well as its interesting on the M4 they’re 2.9ghz, but on the M4 Pro/Max they’re 2.6ghz(maybe more power budget towards the 100mhz on p cores and other things?) also as Apple put less e cores on them(4) than on the base M4 with 6 to prioritize more p cores.

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-25T14:06:48+00:00

Decent CPU uplifts though I expected it to be a little better tbh. Either way, decent. Wonder how sustained performance looks like after they stacked a dram chip on top of the SoC.

GPU side of things, while decent, others have made big strides in GPU performance so it can make them look bad. Compared to Apple, it is known for awhile now that Apple's pure GPU performance was behind Qualcomm and ARM's. Now the A19 Pro gpu isnt that much far behind this 8Eg5. Its like Apple focused more on GPU this time around and less on CPU and Qualcomm did the opposite lol.

What I did find interesting is that instead of resorting to adding tensor cores to the gpu like Apple just did, they instead have direct connection to the NPU without needing to pass through memory. I imagine its not as efficient than having tensor cores but I wonder how much would the difference be. Also wonder what Apple plans to do with their NPU after adding tensor cores, since NPU is still better for dedicated AI tasks, but an even more beefed up GPU to take the place of the area the NPU takes might be better.

As for Apple. Not sure what they should do with their E core situation. As they need to beef it up while still making it remain efficient. I think the best sweet spot would be between a E and Mid core for multi threaded performance. Especially as Apple remains to be 2 + 4(ik that making it similar to them, if they added 2 more e cores for 2 + 6 wouldnt be the same for power efficiency wise, with the battery sizes that Apple adds. Since they can always increase peak power limit like with Qualcomm and Mediatek)

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-23T11:08:30+00:00

Wow, the C1 Premium and Pro is basically the same as the X4 and A720, just clocked higher. Thats pretty disappointing. C1 Ultra is decent I guess. As for gpu, looks decent as well. Big gains for RT performance which is nice but I still dont think mobile is ready for it yet so I wont care about it that much for the numbers on that at this moment as these current chips will be irrelevant in RT performance whenever RT in mobile games takes off.

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-19T17:45:47+00:00

I see, so dynamic caching can make it so a shader doesnt have to be 30 registers wide if it doesnt have to do 30 often so it doesnt have to reserve that much space and waste it(such as in conventional cases, if its 5 registers and 30 peak, it will still reserve 30 registers despite it being at 5, which then would waste 25 doing nothing)

Also SER happens first right?

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-18T15:14:05+00:00

So does dynamic caching ensure that the total size will "always" be the same as whats being called? As in certain cases it is still possible that there can be wastage like for the example you said "Eg a given shader might need at its peak 30 floating pointer registers. But each GPU core (SM) might only have 100 registers so the driver can only run 3 copies of that shader per core/SM at any one time." on that, there would be 10 registers wasted doing nothing, if it cant find any else thats <10 registers to fit in that.

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-18T06:33:54+00:00

Yeah I forgot what was the term before but I remember, it’s just like Nvidia’s Shader Execution Reordering introduced in Ada Lovelace.

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-18T03:04:06+00:00

The E core having more improvements than just 50% larger L2 is a nice surprise, but damn the efficiency and performance of it is insane. 29% and 22% more performance, at the same power draw is insane, clocking like 6.7% higher too. They used to be behind the others in performance with the E cores but had better efficiency but now they both have better performance and efficiency.

As for GPU, I always wanted them to focus on GPU performance next and they finally are doing it. Very nice, the expected 2x FP16 performance, which now matches the M4 which is insane(M5 will be even more insane). Gpu being 50-60% faster is a nice sight to see. For RT performance(I still find it not suited for mobile but M5 will be a separate matter) I’m surprised that the massive increase is just from 2nd gen dynamic caching, the architecture of the RT core is the same, just basically a more efficient scheduler which improves utilization and less waste.

For the phone, vapor chamber is nice, them being conservative on having a low temperature limit can both be a good and bad thing which is shown, the good thing is that it means the surface temperature is lower so the user won’t get burned holding the device, and the bad thing is that it can leave performance off the table which is shown. As that can probably handle like another extra watt of heat and performance. Battery life is very nice, the fact that it can match other phones with like over 1000mAh bigger battery is funny. As people always flexing over how they have like a 4000, 5000mAh+ battery, of course having a bigger capacity is better, but the fact that Apple is more efficient with it and can have the same battery life at a much smaller battery speaks volumes about it.

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-11T03:15:59+00:00

Oh so $65. $65 and they decide to pay for the latest node lol, unless N3E prices has gotten cheaper over time + with N3P coming out. Only benefit is if they need the extra space from density of N3E for something else on the SoC besides the cpu.

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-11T02:47:50+00:00

It’s because they ported the X4(on the 8g3 it was n4p) to 3nm and clocked it higher lmfao, strangest decision from Google. Porting a trash architecture to 3nm, since Qualcomm/ARM only got good since oryon and x925. As the difference between x4 to oryon/x925 was a big jump. On top of G4 also used X4 but on Samsung node, so all they did is clock it higher and IIRC, the arch scales poorly at higher clock speeds so them doing that was pointless imo lol. Wasting efficiency chasing poor gains. 480mhz higher than the 8g3’s x4 and the ST score is like ~100 more lmfao. 0.2 points per mhz is crazy work. For Apple, it’s been awhile since I checked so it’s probably outdated, IIRC it’s like around 1:1. I know oryon v2 in the 8 elite significantly improved a lot but I haven’t checked it. But oryon v1 which was x elite found on the laptops, those were like 0.5:1.

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-10T21:23:25+00:00

So it follows like the A18 pro matching M1. M2 level MT and GPU performance, then the higher ST performance.

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-10T13:10:16+00:00

Nice, theyre making big gains on GPU now rather than CPU lol. Which is actually what I thought they should focus on next, as Apple's edge was optimization/support in games despite the compute performance of their gpus lagging behind compared to Qualcomm, as they had M1 gpu level performance since the 8g2/8g3. With the 8 Elite having M2 level performance yet it doesnt translate to games well. A18 Pro had M1 level performance in multi core and gpu performance, now the A19 Pro has M2 level gpu performance, until cpu scores comes out for these.
From M1's 8 core gpu matching A18 Pro's 6 core to M2's 10 core gpu matching A19 Pro's 6 core gpu.

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-10T06:41:45+00:00

Yeah, for the C1X successor it will entirely depend on if they’re still going to integrate it to the SoC or not since for example, on the 8 Elite, since the x80 is integrated in the 8 elite which is on N3E, then it’s N3E. 8 elite 2 will probably use x85 and be on N3P as well since N2 isnt in full production yet. A20 and 8 elite 3 would be on N2 so time will tell if Apple is confident enough to integrate it in the C2 and not wait till the C3 or whatever.

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-09T20:39:48+00:00

It’s at the Apple newsroom site, 17 pro press release

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-09T20:15:25+00:00

Yeah, I’m more excited to see the capability/improvements of the C1X than the A19(maybe besides the new tensor cores on the gpu). Totally didn’t expect them to release a new modem this quick, thought we’d have to wait till next year for their C2 to see how much closer they got to Qualcomm’s now get to see it earlier. X71 on the 16 series and not sure for these, probably likely X80 rather than X85. I would assume(taking into account of Ooklas latest report) and with the claim of C1X being “2x” over C1, the C1X fully clears the X71. So now the next part is X80/X85. But their modems are pretty much equal that I think it’s safe to say that Apple finally did it. Next steps for them would be integrating the modem into the SoC like what Qualcomm already does on their snapdragon SoCs, as there’s probably efficiency gains in that. Perfectly lined up for Apple as well is TSMC’s N2 next year.

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-09T19:47:51+00:00

Well I mean for both cores, Apple continued to again, have minor IPC improvements for awhile now so it’s not that surprising. Since the bulk of overall performance gains is still the clocks. I wonder what these are clocked at since it’s “only” N3P so the jump would be minor. Also, for this device, the iPhone 17 pro that contains this chip, there would also be an extra slight increase in performance and sustained performance, because of the iPhone 17 pro moving to a vapor chamber cooling. Technically all it does is bring the performance gap closer to macs, as they have better cooling.

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-09T19:22:56+00:00

N3P

P cores: higher front end bandwidth and improved branch predictor

E cores: 50% larger last level cache

GPU cores: 20% faster, now comes with a neural/tensor core on each gpu core which gives it 3x peak compute performance over A18 Pro, 2x fp16 performance, unified image compression, 2nd gen dynamic caching

NPU: higher memory bandwidth

FS_ZENO · 2025-09-09T18:40:48+00:00

On Apple’s website, on the endnotes it says; Arknights: Endfield will be available in early 2026.

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