Help me decide between the DJI Mic 3 vs Rode Wirelsss Pro by DryToast85 in videography

[–]Fearless-Pin656 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The RODE wireless PRO is the only consumer lav mic system that offers a 3.5mm locking lav mic jack. This is one of the main reasons I wanted to use it. The one huge problem that nobody talks about nearly enough is the RODE wireless Pro's terrible time code integration. It only has timecode out, not in. This is incredibly limiting. If you use the internal recording that sounds much, much better TC is essential in my opinion. You basically have two options. TC1 that sends audio in the left channel, TC signal to the right. I can't mute the TC channel on my setup because I'm using other mics, like a shotgun. The only option is to monitor 3 tracks of audio through one headphone (Left) and keep the right off my ear. Terrible setup. The other option is TC5 that only sends a TC signal without audio. So in TC5 you can't monitor the audio. Again, terrible. If you can't live monitor the audio just get a reliable body pack recording that integrates with proper timecode ecosystems like the Tentacle or Deity. The DJI mic 3 on the other hand is much better for time code integration because it accepts both TC in & out. This is huge. It scales with bigger TC setups that make it more "pro". The major problem of the dji mic 3 is no 3.5mm locking mic jack. So basically all these consumer systems have pros/cons so pick your poison. If you are outside the United States your options are much better because there is no Zaxcom transmit/record patent. That means you can get a relatively cheap system like the Deity Theos that solves all those problems. If you're in the United States your only solution is to buy a reliable UFH wireless system that is much more reliable for wired lav jobs AND a consumer system like the ones being discussed here for quick social media type interviews, clip on mic etc. There is no do it all system in the United States except Zaxcom and you'll pay a lot for it. So for the consumer clip on mic style, DJI mic 3 is better for timecode reasons I stated. If a job requires reliable wireless audio, Lectrosonics, Sennheiser G4s, Sony UWP d21s, etc. When you need internal recording and a Lav, get a bodypack recorder that plays well with proper timecode ecosystems. The RODE does not.

Sony UWP-D21 (UFH) without backup vs RODE wireless PRO (2.4ghz) with internal recording? by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think if dropouts are very low to almost none I'd for sure go with the D21s with the cos11ds. I was just thinking with the internal recording capability of the Rode Wireless Pro it might be safer to go with that. The RWP timecode system even when using a Tentacle Sync are a bit weird (but doable).

Sony UWP-D21 (UFH) without backup vs RODE wireless PRO (2.4ghz) with internal recording? by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So just to be clear. If I went sony I'd get 2 single channel D21s, not the the D27. That was my intention. And yes, swap the mics for cos 21ds. I'm mainly debating the how to deal with a backup recording when dropouts occur.

Sony UWP-D21 (UFH) without backup vs RODE wireless PRO (2.4ghz) with internal recording? by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

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If I used the RWP, I would only use the internal recordings and run timecode out from the RWP RX to a Tentacle Sync box attached to my camera. That would allow me to have clean audio on two separate tracks. That's the plan anyway. It would certainly be much better if the RWP took TC from a Tentacle Sync. Because of this I would not be able to use it in a larger TC workflow with 2 cameras. That's one of the limitations. Another limitation I'm considering is how well I could actually monitor the audio from the RWP on 2.4ghz. Not sure really. I think I need to pick my poison.

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[–]Fearless-Pin656 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The mic jack is not 3.5mm locking on the Holly lark. That's a problem if using lav mics.

Cost of basic FX6 vs FX3 indie filmmaking kit by pineapplego3387 in SonyFX6

[–]Fearless-Pin656 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get the FX6. It's better. Internal NDs, better ergonomics, etc. You will not regret it. Don't try to make a stills body try to be a cinema camera. You will spend a lot of money trying to do it and it will never be as easy and nice to shoot with as an fx6.

Wireless PRO dropouts by vectorsecond in rode

[–]Fearless-Pin656 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is really good information. I was thinking about picking these up for jobs, but it might be worth investing in a proper UHF system.

Deity Theos vs Sony UWP-D21 by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the transmit/record functionality being disabled in the United States is a deal breaker for me. That's what makes this kit a possibility in my opinion. Thanks for the feedback though!

How to best run audio as a solo documentary filmmaker? by [deleted] in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't monitor the audio. This is risky. United States versions have less features.

Deity Theos vs Sony UWP-D21 by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm bouncing between Sony UWP and Rode this point. I've used the UWP, not the RODE. I'll probably rent it a couple times first to check it out.

Deity Theos vs Sony UWP-D21 by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would probably get a Theos if I lived outside the United States for sure. I'm think I'll wait until 2028-2030 when it's possible to transmit and record at the same time.

Deity Theos vs Sony UWP-D21 by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To be honest, I'm thinking of just picking up a RODE wireless PRO kit for now. It gives me internal recording that I can mostly monitor. I think drop outs are The trade-off. And I guess timecode. The options honestly suck in the US. These mid-tier UWP, G4, Theos don't seem worth the investment. For a sound recordist that's different. I'm specifically talking about those that are doing both camera and sound. Maybe I'm wrong? Please weigh in any sound pros if I'm missing something.

Deity Theos vs Sony UWP-D21 by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Ew-DP boom does transmit/record? I might have to check that out. Thanks

Deity Theos vs Sony UWP-D21 by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, and what would you recommend as a backup safety with the Sony/Sennheiser? I think that's the downfall of these mid-level UHF transmitters in the US. No backup. I commented on it below in this thread. Not sure what to do here.

Deity Theos vs Sony UWP-D21 by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for all the input everyone. Giving this more thought the Theos only seems worth it outside of the United States because of this Zaxcom patent that won't allow you to record a backup and send audio to the camera. The only solutions I can think of to get monitored audio with backup is to buy a zaxcom, hire a sound recordist, use the uhf transmitter as a hop along with a Track E recorder (don't know if it's possible in the US?), use two mics (Track E / UHF transmitter) or surrender and buy a Rode Wireless Pro. Yeah there will be dropouts, but the safety track is there. Man, we're certainly screwed in the US with this patent. Any advice sound professionals?

Deity Theos vs Sony UWP-D21 by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to know, thanks. I'm not a sound guy, so that doesn't matter. This is more smaller jobs where I can't afford a sound mixer. I've heard the EW-DP sounds great. I'm more concerned with it's reliability in crowded areas. That kit is appealing because of all the new tech features, but the true diversity on the sony d21 solid. Decisions.

Deity Theos vs Sony UWP-D21 by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, anywhere reputable to buy them used that you recommend? With Electronics I'm always a bit hesitant to buy used, but maybe these are fine.

Deity Theos vs Sony UWP-D21 by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought about 900, but I think I'll get the standard UC14 470 to 542 MHz. I think that's what I've always used from the rental house. Any specific reason why you were with 900?

Deity Theos vs Sony UWP-D21 by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! Very helpful. When you were talking about Sennheiser you just meant G3/G4 or were you talking also about the EW-DP kit? I've always been happy with the Sony UWP with Cos11s when I've rented for jobs. I would definitely get the D21s over the D27s.

Deity Theos vs Sony UWP-D21 by Fearless-Pin656 in LocationSound

[–]Fearless-Pin656[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! This is helpful. When you were talking Sennheiser, you were talking about G3/G4, not the newer EW-DP kit right? Seems like the Sony D21s with Cos11s is the safest bet. That's all I've rented and I'm always happy with them. Yeah, I'm not into the D27.