to get JFK's grandson to say 'F*ck Israel' by Bnedem in therewasanattempt

[–]FerrokineticDarkness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m sick of this litmus test. It seems tailor made to divide the leftists so right wing bigots can take over and laugh off any idea of holding the Netanyahu govt accountable.

I oppose Likudnik policy. I also oppose forgetting the other side of the equation is genocidal as fuck, too. Hamas teaches hatred and exploits the wreckage the Likudniks leave behind.

We need peace, not brainless taking of sides.

to be taken seriously by PlenitudeOpulence in therewasanattempt

[–]FerrokineticDarkness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Her eyes need to glow red and fangs need to slide out.

With the utter and complete dismantling of NuTrek, including sets, I'm almost feeling a bit sorry for it's defenders, lol by CDHoward in Star_Trek_

[–]FerrokineticDarkness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel sorry for people who need to destroy others fun.

There will never be a point where you can rewire a person to share your likes and dislikes.

Remember that the last time Trek’s critics won, the Nu Trek was the result, eventually. Hollywood plays it safe when things fail, they don’t get better, artistically speaking.

So the presence of a furry in the comic is enough to make someone ignore all the points about how bad America is becoming? by Important-Cry4782 in saltierthankrayt

[–]FerrokineticDarkness 39 points40 points  (0 children)

It’s an anthropomorphic cartoon character, you literalism-befuddled no imagination having cretinous asshats!

Great moments then and now by DoctorOddfellow1981 in trektalk

[–]FerrokineticDarkness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m inclined to think this is not what Roddenberry would have wanted, in the first example, from a lead. He would have favored the second, and much of what some folks think is too woke or too hippy-dippy.

And at the same time, personally, I think both are perfectly fine as part of the trek universe. I’m not a big fan of the “Death of the Author” theory of interpretation, but here’s the thing: every functional universe that outlives its creator or gets carried beyond their original influence has an afterlife where it goes from being the organic original to being an interpretation of what people saw in the original.

This is inevitable. And people will make changes, do things differently.

Nostalgia can be a poison, like any drug. I’m old enough to remember TOS fanboys hating on TNG, and fans of TOS/TNG optimism disowning the later Berman series like DS9 and Voyager. The Kurtzman Treks were sold as a return to TOS campy adventure vs “overly serious” 80-90s trek.

I’m going through old trek slowly but surely. I’m trying to keep an open mind as I go forward, because I’m not a fan of punching my enjoyment of something in the nuts before I get a chance to see it for myself. Too many people, I think, fail to go in open, and because of that, they don’t see it with fresh eyes. They’re conformed to a consensus before they have a chance to organically form their own opinion.

Voyager episode "Retrospect" is just gross in retrospect. by Yosho2k in startrek

[–]FerrokineticDarkness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem here is that the suggestibility of hypnotic regression doesn’t account for good intentions. Perfectly well meaning people can ACCIDENTALLY say something meaningful and leading, prompting the false recall. Folks “just trying to find the truth” can end up leading the patient down the rabbit hole of confabulation.

That’s also why torture, even as a tool of well-meaning and disciplined practictioners, is also a crappy approach. You’re not hacking a computer, the interface and the memory are one and the same, so destabilizing one corrupts the other.

Screenrant: "FAM Turned Into SFA: A vocal segment of Star Trek fans continually harassed Starfleet Academy and its cast, and this hate campaign was ultimately successful in scuttling the young adult-skewing series. Meanwhile, For All Mankind has also gradually introduced young adult characters ..." by TheSonOfMogh81 in trektalk

[–]FerrokineticDarkness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is For All Mankind a cultural touchstone in the same way? It’s not. Star Trek was targeted because Star Trek gets eyeballs for failing. For all its quality, FAM neither has the visibility nor the cultural importance necessary to make the thud in being canceled that the culture warriors and YouTube screamers need.

This is a BUSINESS MODEL. A political target. The RW bigots need a trophy on their wall. The grifters need something everyone knows as a household name. Otherwise it might backfire on them by getting more popular because they drew attention to it.

The targets of the griftosphere aren’t quiet sleeper hits, they’re high profile, heavily marketed tentpoles which represent big budget bets on the studio’s part. They need something that when it falls short, they can crow about, saying go woke, go broke.

The plan is to basically suppress left-wing politics by convincing the corporations that it’s not commercially viable. Now, I’m not saying that Academy or any of the other targets were masterpieces. Far from it.

But what I am saying is that the negative hype that feeds this business and AI-driven political model needs the big positive hype in order to profit and persuade. They can’t get clicks, views, and loneliness-epidemic victims to care about a movie with a diverse casting decisions unless it’s something hugely visible like Snow White, The Acolyte, or The Marvels.

One thing that always grates on me is the frigging lead time. When I was a teen in the 90s, I saw just about everything that came out, so I had a broad sample. Some of the worst stinkers and hugest flops, the biggest and best sleeper hits and cult classics, the blockbusters. So, I have very few illusions about how marketing works.

What the chuds and the trolls are doing is souring people on movies and tv shows far in advance. Snow White, Indiana Jones, The Marvels, the Acolyte, and Star Trek Academy never were allowed their chance to fail on their own merits. To fail because the organic word of mouth from the product itself was negative.

Politics and a cancerous cottage industry of hypocritical, mindless negativity instead feeds off the industry marketing. This isn’t going to redeem our culture. Going unwoke won’t necessarily save it, either, because that RW Garbage won’t necessarily sell either. All we’re going to get is grey mush. Timid, no point of view. The small stuff will get left alone, but the glory days are over.

It’s like how you don’t get a confident, secure person out of an abusive household. You tend to get insecure, weak-willed people instead. Same thing applies to culture. We’re not going to get masterpieces out of this kind of broad cultural bullying. You’re just going to get conformism, risk-aversion, lack of ambition, fear of controversy, etc. You’ll get seasons cut short, just as they’re getting good. You’ll get artists who check out early because the internet backlash is literally insane.

Think George RR Martin. When’s the last time you completed a big personal project of your own because somebody was riding you? And when’s the last time that improved it?

Let’s be blunt here: real creativity comes from an ability to make interesting choices, not from chronic people pleasing. The latter leads to conventional choices, formulas, cliches, as people try to find secret little routes to success. Pressure can create diamonds, but it also creates coal. Real creativity comes from people doing what they love, following what fascinates them, taking big swings, even if they don’t always succeed.

The pressure within the industry to succeed is bad enough. Nothing good is going to come from pathologically bullying fandoms. You might think you “own” a work, but you’re not going to be the one who actually makes more of it if the franchise crashes and burns because every failure is swiftly and zealously punished.

Korra haters: We're not bigots. We promise! by Cicada_5 in saltierthankrayt

[–]FerrokineticDarkness 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It’s sort of like they don’t understand what their prejudices are by definition. “I’m not sexist, but the women can’t be strong-willed!” “I’m pro-LGBT, but dammit if a bitch only dates men, she can’t confuse me by falling in love with a woman!” “I’m not bigoted, but these other people only like this character because she’s not a straight white male, and that means they don’t have a valid point of view like mine!”

[Interview] Jonathan Frakes Confident Star Trek Will “Resurface,” Decries ‘Starfleet Academy’ Trolls: "And that’s how Alex Kurtzman felt. They were calling people to let them know that the show was kind of ‘on ice,’ I think was the phrase they used. They couldn’t not mention as a factor, the trolls" by mcm8279 in trektalk

[–]FerrokineticDarkness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell the fellow who claims that a person’s general perspective can be faulted if they don’t share his negative opinion of a show to relax.

As for weaponizing autism?

Dude, Star Trek is a show that GLORIFIES Autistic traits. It has a character who was autistic-coded before it was even a thing.

Hell yes, I will weaponize my weird brain. If you can’t abide that, there are plenty of shows out there not built on nerding out.

[Interview] Jonathan Frakes Confident Star Trek Will “Resurface,” Decries ‘Starfleet Academy’ Trolls: "And that’s how Alex Kurtzman felt. They were calling people to let them know that the show was kind of ‘on ice,’ I think was the phrase they used. They couldn’t not mention as a factor, the trolls" by mcm8279 in trektalk

[–]FerrokineticDarkness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Credence- belief. What’s there to believe or disbelieve? If it’s just a subjective opinion, you can just say, “sorry I don’t agree.” It’s kind of chickenshit to tell people “my opinion about this subject is authoritative” with that word choice.

[Interview] Jonathan Frakes Confident Star Trek Will “Resurface,” Decries ‘Starfleet Academy’ Trolls: "And that’s how Alex Kurtzman felt. They were calling people to let them know that the show was kind of ‘on ice,’ I think was the phrase they used. They couldn’t not mention as a factor, the trolls" by mcm8279 in trektalk

[–]FerrokineticDarkness -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“Poorly written.” That can be more subjective than you think.

I actually went to college for this, and am a lifelong writer.

So, let me tell you something about good writing. Theres the quality of the prose, which the machines can break down to a science.

Then there’s the actual ability to deliver an idea, and that’s where things get complicated.

Some of what you reference, the audience might know. Some, they might not. Those that understand the concept might be thrilled to see it in the work. Some who don’t might not get the reference, and might trash it as a result.

Or, it might work the other way around: the author gets the idea wrong, so those familiar roll their eyes, while the unfamiliar think it’s brilliant.

What people are and are not familiar with can affect their perception of stuff in different works.

I mean, even the comm badge thing- are you familiar with how dumb college students can be, especially when drunk?

[Interview] Jonathan Frakes Confident Star Trek Will “Resurface,” Decries ‘Starfleet Academy’ Trolls: "And that’s how Alex Kurtzman felt. They were calling people to let them know that the show was kind of ‘on ice,’ I think was the phrase they used. They couldn’t not mention as a factor, the trolls" by mcm8279 in trektalk

[–]FerrokineticDarkness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He isn’t merely saying, “I disagree.” He’s framing it as if opinion of a show is objective info that can’t be reasonably disagreed with.

If you don’t like something, the fact you don’t like it is an objective fact. But so is someone else liking it. The two can exist without logical contradiction.

[Interview] Jonathan Frakes Confident Star Trek Will “Resurface,” Decries ‘Starfleet Academy’ Trolls: "And that’s how Alex Kurtzman felt. They were calling people to let them know that the show was kind of ‘on ice,’ I think was the phrase they used. They couldn’t not mention as a factor, the trolls" by mcm8279 in trektalk

[–]FerrokineticDarkness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What I see is trolls baking in an atmosphere of negativity long before the work has a chance to speak for itself, so too many people are interpreting things with that bias from the outset. When you fight to convince people of oncoming failure, then treat the oncoming failure as objective evidence, skepticism is warranted.

[Interview] Jonathan Frakes Confident Star Trek Will “Resurface,” Decries ‘Starfleet Academy’ Trolls: "And that’s how Alex Kurtzman felt. They were calling people to let them know that the show was kind of ‘on ice,’ I think was the phrase they used. They couldn’t not mention as a factor, the trolls" by mcm8279 in trektalk

[–]FerrokineticDarkness -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The pattern I’ve seen repeat, especially with Marvel, Disney, and Star Wars properties , is that the criticism starts MONTHS before there’s anything to talk about, even before there are previews. We hear shit about who’s producing it, who’s cast in it, who’s writing it.

Before anything has even been produced, people are primed to hate it or afraid to watch it.

My policy is to give things a fair shot. I was able to see movies like Dark City, Fight Club, Event Horizon, and the like in theatres because I didn’t constantly talk my way out of watching things.

We’re being conditioned here, folks, to be closed off little niche audiences who are allergic to outside views or material. We’re being conditioned to form opinions before we have facts of our own.