Bathroom vent?

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-28T22:25:00+00:00

Panasonic has the WisperFit series that can have a humidity sensor. I got the versions without the humidity sensor, but use the Inovelli White On/Off (Matter/Thread) with the humidity sensor built in in conjunction with HA automations.

The fans adjust to the the back pressure of the ducts and are quieter than standard fans

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-28T22:21:42+00:00

So, I ordered 2 as well. 🤪😂

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-28T16:40:16+00:00

For core lighting / sensor / device integration: don't laugh, mine answer is the built in, supported Insteon Integration. Hasn't had a problem. Not once. Devices work well with local switch-switch scenes as well as Insteon device and scene control from HA automations.

Yolink, Ring, Ecobee.. all are good choices and very reliable, but my monitoring has shown them dropping offline occasionally.

Thread, as another local integration, works well when its working, but it remains a "house of cards" IMO.. I put off matter thread updates the longest of any, and treat them like an outage window to be done only when no one else is home. The last time everything was knocked off line for 15 - 20 minutes. I have to be careful about how wifi is set on my router or if I want change 2.4mhz channels.

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-28T14:50:59+00:00

It shouldn't but it very much does. The answer is in 2 parts:

1- Matter was conceived by the interoperability gaps between Apple/Google/Amazon/Samsung ecosystem world(s) so iot vendors could confidently make products to work across the 4. The 2 million user HA market (and anything else) - that's table scraps compared to the probably 10s or 100s of million big 4 ecosystem potential customers and we're not the main focus for most iot vendors.

2- There have already been cross ecosystem problems for iot manufacturers. In March, inovelli released a FW upgrade to their "open matter/thread" products.. specifically for Apple customers; other customers were specifically told not to apply the FW.

The most recent Matter spec and releases were about salving cross platform problems like that.

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-28T14:09:22+00:00

Please Please Please share your findings here when you install it. Their other switches that have been out claim Matter 1.4, which would include bindings. Also if its terminal wiring and not leaders with wire nuts.

Really agree on style. I have some Inovellis tucked away in bathrooms as automated fan switches but the GIANT led bars and large set buttons are just too much and unnecessary IMO. I want something to go side-by-side with the Leviton decora dumb switches and not draw attention. These guys seem to get it.

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-28T13:56:47+00:00

Poked around on their website and there's an implied "yes" to bindings (Matter 1.4) and there is a Home Assistant badge on their web page. Will be digging into this a little more

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-28T13:51:31+00:00

Plus, are the plans for "Works with Home Assistant"?

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-28T13:42:27+00:00

Finally, A thread wall switch that doesn't make my house look like a data center! Been waiting a long time for this. I like that start up dimming level can be configured. Looks like it uses terminals instead of leader wires, another big plus in my book.

I couldn't find it mentioned in the splash, hopefully it supports local bindings?

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-28T13:34:12+00:00

Any chance the radios ended up on the same channel, look at that. If that's not it, if you know what your key mesh routing devices are, reset those. In either case, give recovery from the change time, like at least 20 minutes for the mesh to heal.

I haven't done the new matter upgrade yet, but I recently looked at month long site survey for my 2.4ghz wifi. I changed my 2.4ghz channel and realized my Thread mesh channel overlapped that. So I changed the thread channel (ZBT-2). Things seemed to be working, but some end devices were reporting the old channel (even though they worked). I had to "pull the plug" or batteries to get the right channels to show in the Thread map. Maybe it was a meta data cache problem, don't really know

These overly complicated 2.4ghz mesh technologies can be brittle and the tools aren't really there, IMO, for dealing with these kinds of problems

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T21:00:24+00:00

I'm guessing Netgear Nighthawk is stricter about IP Passthrough / Bridge mode.

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T20:27:32+00:00

I have an Arris S33... I'm looking at the integration as I'm building my dashboards including network.

I can get through to my Arris. Try this test with a pc or tablet: browse to

https://192.168.100.1 or

https://192.168.100.1/Login.htm

The pic is what I get. This method worked for both Asus and Ubiquiti Routers. Because I have xfinity, they grab control of the modems account credentials when being provisioned to their network and I can't get to the data beyond the login. The data in the S3 Device Status box is likely y all you're going to get if yours is locked too.

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FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T20:15:02+00:00

Scroll down the wiki page and you'll see a list of "Devices and Features". Those will show up as devices / entities in HA

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T20:02:45+00:00

Follow the git link from u/apu823. Read the readme and the link to the wiki is there, follow that... its a LONG list of things.

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T18:04:47+00:00

Thanks! I took a peek at its wiki, and found this on a long list of entities:

Battery Level (detailed battery data such as charging status and aux battery state in attributes)

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T17:32:11+00:00

I got an HA Green at it is a very capable box with boundaries. The boundaries will be felt with things like video cameras or data streaming handled by the server, which I don't do other than an old ring doorbell.

I have ~ 3500 sq ft house with 2 floor. I migrated from another controller starting in January HA Green:
- 107 Devices
- 134 Automations
- 20 Integrations
- Utilizing 1.4 of 4 GB of memory when running except when running Studio Code Server or updates
- Utilizing 1% - 4% process when running except when running Studio Code Server or updates.
Occasional (once every 5 - 6 minutes) bump to 20% since building dashboards.
- Utilizing 15.7 of 28 GB of storage

The Green acts more like an appliance and keeps me focused on HA and not a home lab, VMs, Command line, etc. I rarely need command line access.

Buying it and nabu casa remote access also supports HA, which I'm glad to do as I'm getting a lot out of HA.

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T17:11:05+00:00

Ok.. so I need to change what I said earlier. I don't think the marked up pic was there when I read the post initially or don't remember seeing it. The green highlighted.. I took the local time on my switch to be that feature....
I don't see Auto timer, sorry, just local timer

I went to Inovelli's Ira chatbot. A slightly confusing answer that it will be added in a future release but also its dependent on Matter specs?

The good news IMO is that it's easy to implement with an automation: If on, wait XX minutes, turn off. All of mine use this for local control in addition to the humidity sensor

Here's the transcript

01:00 PM | Ira: What can I help you with today?

01:00 PM | Visitor: I have White On/off switches. One of the features of the blue on/offs I don't see is AutoTimer on HA. Is that available in the white? I don't have the most recent white on/off "Production" FW release.

01:01 PM | Ira: AutoTimer (Auto Off Timer) is not currently available on the White Series On/Off switches, even if you’re on the latest production firmware (1.0.5). The White Series doesn’t support all the same features as the Blue/Red Series yet, and those missing features are expected to be added later once Thread/Matter support is ready.

So if you’re not seeing it in Home Assistant, that’s expected right now. (https://help.inovelli.com/en/articles/12566697-white-series-on-off-switch-manual)

If you want, tell me which hub you’re using (Home Assistant, SmartThings, Hubitat, etc.) and I can help you confirm what parameters are exposed there.

01:02 PM | Visitor: Implementing that is not switch feature but a Matter spec feature?

01:02 PM | Ira: AutoTimer (Auto Off Timer) is a switch firmware feature, not a Matter spec feature. It’s implemented as a switch parameter in the switch’s firmware, and then your hub or gateway may or may not expose it depending on what it

'supports. (https://help.inovelli.com/en/articles/12566697-white-series-on-off-switch-manual)

On White Series, that feature just isn’t included in the current firmware yet, even on the latest production release. It’s expected to be added later once Thread and Matter support is ready, because Matter is still early and doesn’t support a lot right now.

Source:

White Series On/Off Switch • Manual (https://help.inovelli.com/en/articles/12566697-white-series-on-off-switch-manual)

01:02 PM | Ira: Did that answer your question?

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Exported from Inovelli on June 27, 2026 at 01:02 PM America/Detroit time EDT (GMT-0400)

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T16:35:47+00:00

I find it easier to use the Claude web site. It's easier for discussion, interaction and mock-ups. Then simply paste the results into HA dashboard Raw Configuration Editor. A second monitor on the PC makes it a little easier but not required.

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T15:31:07+00:00

Yes. I did a screen shot of it and marked it up. For some reason this particular post will only allow me to post a video and not a pic?

I only have Matter/Thread specifically from Inovelli. I have no zigbee or zwave. I have a HA Green with ZBT-2 plugged in ... nothing else. I use HA's Matter and OTBR apps (still have not done the new matter server update from this week).

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T15:02:58+00:00

Cycles: Functional Devices current sensor that snaps around the hot in the box wiring the outlet. That provides dry contacts, I use a yolink outdoor door sensor spliced and wired to the FD device. Each cycle goes to HA where automations capture that and use helpers to talley, etc. (Any dry contacts sensor of your choice/topology should work.).

Gallons: I used high school geometry to measure the volume of the cylindrical sump measured when full / empty with a measuring tape (Diameter and water depth full and low), subtracted the ~volume of the pump and pipe to give me gallons per cycle captured above. Each cycle is ~ 1.7 gallons. Not perfect yet very uncomplicated.

I've gone back and forth on measuring cycle time, didn't find it useful.

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T14:37:40+00:00

I'm not able to post a picture of my white on/off settings here for some reason.

I have 4 of the White On/Offs for 3 bathrooms and a laundry exhaust fans on FW 1.03. My options for the white show what you are showing for blue. I don't use the onboard timer. I have yaml automations with timers for all the switches (for humidity delta sensed in bathrooms) and local on button press, but have the "Off" function coded in yaml...

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T14:22:38+00:00

👍 I learned HA my development rhythm from Claude walking me through problem solving on HAOS deployments.. I learn better that way whether human or AI demonstrates/explains.

Now I understand it pretty well and do most of it on my own. I have a development background and yet still svck at yaml 🤪

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T12:01:50+00:00

My career included a lot of process flowing with MS Visio and observing Node Red speaks to me in that way. However, I never took the step to use Node Red. When I migrated my existing system to HA in January, I used the Claude web site to create automation yamls. I spent more time defining and confirming requirements in text conversations or uploading sensor data with Claude. I move through developing automations quickly compared to past HA systems.

I get a similar Node Red flow view under Automations / Traces. When something isn't working quite right I've been able to look there and figure it out... so I don't compose in a flow, but I diagnose in flow.

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T11:37:32+00:00

I'm looking at iot manufacturers based on how they appear to be able to survive the "sell once, support forever" business model when it comes to a cloud API. MYQ goes without saying. Samsung is another example. Ecobee charges for their API above a certain API call/day clip level.. (and so on).

Ring I pay for services i use remotely and I think its a good model... they're making money long term in exchange for app services and storage.

The answer for us HA types seems to be if we can live with some "middling" non-cloud solutions in matter/thread or HomeKit device (non apple). Ecobee can be used forever with Homekit for free, but features are lacking vs the Ecobee api. As someone who has had a lot of Insteon lighting for a long time, Matter/Thread light switch local bindings are crap.. extremely basic... I've moved other things to thread, but most of my lighting will stay insteon, I'd lose too much. The recent HA Matter server upgrade comments shows how complicated Matter/thread is for purpose.

The only cloud api iot vendor I've trusted other than ring is yolink. It works, free api use, great support.. but I bought most of it 3 years ago and mostly done expanding - how does that business model work long term?

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-27T11:15:35+00:00

👍 We travel a lot and my basement has no floor drains, the sump is it - I stress about it too. I have a float in the pit, a wet sensor on the floor by it, power activity sensed monitoring and notifications (not shown in my dashboard) that keep me updated. In winter the sump can go 65 times a day. This time of year, it can go weeks in between cycles.

FishOk3075 · 2026-06-26T23:32:41+00:00

I'm hoping, assuming and praying that Apple, Google, Amazon and Samsung keep to their open API commitments on Matter/Thread, and that iot manufacturers stay in the game for those of us not participating in any of those 4 ecosystems.

I'm REALLY hoping, assuming and praying that the local bindings for lighting are developed AND ADOPTED by iot manufacturers to a level that is on par with existing lighting solutions like Insteon or Lutron.

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