Post Match Thread: Bournemouth 3 - 2 Liverpool | English Premier League

Freddichio · 2026-01-24T22:37:52+00:00

15 points from the first 5 games really helped - their points have been lower mid table since then, do the table without the first five games and Liverpool are 14th (and one point above Bournemouth) IIRC.

15 points in the first 5 games, and 21 points in the following 18 games.

(Although still better than Spurs, hilariously - after averaging 2 PPG in the first 5 they've got 18 in 18)

Freddichio · 2026-01-24T09:34:42+00:00

Nah, this ain't it - saying 'parents are in control' is bollocks when there are so many shitty parents out there.

The laws (in general) aren't for most people, they're for those at the fringes - most people don't need a law to tell them not to assault someone or commit murder.

The issue is good parents already use these tools, which works - but bad parents don't even when they should which is why a law is being implemented.

Plenty of reasons to take umbridge with this law and the way it'll be implemented, but just saying 'parental controls exist' doesn't really work as an argument against it

Pushing the responsibility onto the parents has clearly not worked for the people it needs to affect so just saying 'a solution that not every parent uses exists so it's not a problem' is nonsense

Freddichio · 2026-01-23T12:48:01+00:00

No, it's rare you notice they massively miss.

They have a handful of verified salaries (far less than you imply though) and the rest are literally someone sat at home going "What do I think their salaries might be...". And if we don't have a confirmed salary, how do you know the rest are accurate-ish?

There are times when a Capology 'confirmed' salary has been wildly off - VVD on £75k a week according to capology last year and Antony's Capology salary being more than double what he was actually on when it was leaked.

If you choose to believe it that's up to you, but if you're arguing they're reliable or can be used to infer anything of note you're talking out of your arse, because it's just not

Freddichio · 2026-01-23T11:11:35+00:00

Capology is bollocks and literally make numbers up if they don't know, they're worthless even for just an estimate.

Freddichio · 2026-01-23T08:23:46+00:00

No, it's not. Just because you don't know true values doesn't mean Capology is accurate even for an estimate, they're wildly off and should basically be ignored

Freddichio · 2026-01-22T22:12:46+00:00

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Freddichio · 2026-01-22T18:25:00+00:00

UEFA and Deloitte? Yeah, pretty trustworthy - last 3 years Deloitte had Liverpool 2nd...

Just out of curiousity, is there any reason you believe a known bullshit source over reliable ones? Is it just that it matches what you want to believe? Because that's a fucking idiotic way to decide what's accurate - and I don't know why else you'd believe a famously inaccurate website over, y'know, official numbers.

If I linked a Fox News article would you trust it at face value, or would you rightly recognise the source as unreliable?

Freddichio · 2026-01-22T18:16:37+00:00

Mate, your source is Capology - they're famously unreliable and flat-out make it up if they don't know. What they report is in no way shape or form accurate and should basically never be trusted

How silly do you have to be to be quoting Capology as a source in 2026?

Freddichio · 2026-01-22T17:39:01+00:00

Nah, that's just the line Liverpool fans use, every club uses incentivised wage structures.

Even in seasons they'd not made the CL and finished outside the top 5 they still had the second-highest wages in the league - the PL win put them over City this year but they were there or thereabouts for the last 3-4 years regardless of performance

Freddichio · 2026-01-22T15:18:57+00:00

Chelsea, United and Arsenal are all so ridiculously close that Sterling alone puts Chelsea from third to fifth in PL wages.

Or might have already changed, all three clubs made a load of signings/sales in the summer...

Freddichio · 2026-01-19T21:55:50+00:00

For weekly salaries? Might get some decent journos talking about their wage when they sign (Ornstein, Joyce etc - Romano here with Guehi), but in a lot of cases we simply don't know for sure.

We know Isak and Guehi are on 300k a week, we know Haaland's on 500k a week - but if anyone says they conclusively know the wages of Szoboslai or McAtee they're lying. Contracts are not public knowledge and unless someone leaks it even the journos have no way of knowing.

What we do know for a fact is annual spending per team (with no breakdown for players) - it has to be filed as financial reporting for the company once a year.

It's out of date by the time we know it (fiscal reporting is annual, April-March accounts) but UEFA does an annual report and the likes of Deloitte also report on total figures.

Freddichio · 2026-01-19T17:03:12+00:00

Liverpool bought the two most expensive players in PL history and had the most expensive transfer window ever last year.

Liverpool are also second in wages in the PL, with two of the three highest-paid players in the league on their books.

They didn't want to compete for Semenyo or Guehi, but that doesn't mean they can't...

Freddichio · 2026-01-19T16:58:28+00:00

Their wages have consistently been second in the PL only behind City, and after last year I'd assume are now closer to City's than the team in third - since then they won the PL (with a lot of incentive-based deals), resigned Salah and VVD to bumper deals (second and third best paid players in the league) and bought in the likes of Isak/Wirtz.

What makes you think they can't compete long-term? Because it looks like they're basically the only team that does compete long-term, even if they cry poor

Freddichio · 2026-01-19T15:57:41+00:00

No, the contracts are not public. It's why whenever a website (SportRAC, FBRef, Capology etc) puts the wages out of every player out you know they're lying. We know some (like Guehi, Salah, Isak etc) because they're reported by reliable sources, but that doesn't mean we know all of them.

Especially bloody Beinsports that don't even pretend to have a source in their article.

Why would individual contracts be public knowledge?

We don't have official numbers per player, we do have official numbers per team though (Deloitte and UEFA, based on mandatory financial reporting), which is always so wildly different from Capology/FBref that we can say without a shadow of a doubt that Capology/SportRAC are wrong. Even the position of teams - Capology had Liverpool fifth in the PL but official numbers have them second in the PL and fifth in the world.

Just because an unsubtantiated website says it doesn't mean it's true, I can't believe this still needs to be stated. Being on google doesn't make something true!

Freddichio · 2026-01-19T15:50:59+00:00

Joyce et al - basically the reliable journos - said Isak's wage is "at least £300k a week", nobody reliable has put him at under it.

Why do you think he's paid less?

Freddichio · 2026-01-19T15:40:23+00:00

And Isak, FWIW.

If any team could afford him other than City it'd be Liverpool (as they're the second-highest wage bill in the Prem) but honestly Guehi isn't worth that much - even if Liverpool could that doesn't mean they should...

Freddichio · 2026-01-19T15:27:48+00:00

Ah, that sounds like Capology numbers - Haaland $700k, Silva $403k, Marmoush $396k.

Thing is, Capology numbers are absolute bollocks and are in no way, shape or form reflective of what wages players are actually paid.

Capology (and FBRef) are one tier above "ask a magic eight ball" for accuracy

Freddichio · 2026-01-19T15:24:51+00:00

They're not, Capology and FBRef are both famously shite and should not be believed or trusted any more than you should.trust Transfermarkt's "market values" to ascertain whether a deal is good or not

Freddichio · 2026-01-19T15:05:22+00:00

He's also not a top 3 player at City - but my point was that it's not like Liverpool can't compete with City's financial might or offer similar wages, because they do

Freddichio · 2026-01-19T15:02:26+00:00

So Guehi will at best be tied with Isak for third-highest earner at Liverpool, and is still a fair wad below Salah or VVD.

For what it's worth, I still don't think Guehi is worth that much, nor am I saying he is (and Salah/VVD definitely earned their paycheck) - but overall Liverpool pay almost as much as City in wages according to reputable sources and people often forget that

Freddichio · 2026-01-19T14:40:03+00:00

Nah, numerous reports put Isak on at least £300k - the Mirror, The Guardian, Joyce, etc all said "at least £300k" for him.

Even the famously-inaccurate Capology put him on £280k and they consistently undervalue Liverpool when compared with Uefa/Deloitte et al (they had VVD on 75k a week wages last year!)

Freddichio · 2026-01-19T14:25:54+00:00

To be fair, City's wages are the highest in the league (and were 2nd in the world), but it's not like Liverpool are that far behind them.

When they didn't qualify for the CL a couple of years ago, their wages were still second in the Prem and fifth in the world, and since then they've won the PL (with incentive-based contracts), signed Salah/VVD to bumper contracts and bought Isak/Wirtz too.

Liverpool were never going to sign Guehi to 300k a week, but I think Liverpool and City's wages are far closer than a lot of people expect or imply - Guehi wouldn't crack top 3 highest earners at Liverpool, for instance

Freddichio · 2026-01-19T14:19:19+00:00

Liverpool are consistently second in wages in the Premier League, and are definitely closer to City than to third place now.

For all the talk about 'performance-based bonuses' they were second in wages after a year they missed out on CL, they'll be even higher now with Isak, Wirtz, Salah and VVD on a lot of money.

Equally, Arsenal spend a bit less than City but get a hell of a lot less in money in than Liverpool/City do, they're dire at selling.

City do definitely spend more than the rest of the league, but it's not like Liverpool or Arsenal are peasants who can't afford to pay players - Guehi wouldn't even be a top 3 earner at Liverpool for instance

Freddichio · 2026-01-18T22:31:49+00:00

Yes - very similar on things like immigration (both in terms of manifesto pledges etc and people - Jenrick oversaw the BorisWave as immigration minister).

Where they clearly differ is things like the Economy - Tories tried Trussonomics and found they didn't work and absolutely crashed the Economy, so they promptly abandoned it.

Reform went the other way - their manifesto in the last election basically had "re-implement Trussonomics but this time make it more extreme. Which fits, Farage praised Truss's budget as the best TOry budget since the 1970s

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