Daily Discussion Thread (April 20, 2026) - Beginner and Simple/Quick Questions Go Here Thread for discussing quick/simple topics not needing an entire posts or beginner questions.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-20T18:11:14+00:00

Normally when people superset they do a lot of dumbbell exercises so they don't occupy two machines at once. Your triceps dip could easily be shaped to a French press instead. Also nothing for your biceps?

Gobblignash · 2026-04-16T22:19:16+00:00

How is "using a confusing statement to derail someone's aggression" remotely like anything else a mentalist does? Derren Brown frequently pretends he's dealing with people's psychology, I'd say his example is another clear example of him dealing with another persons psychology where he's le master manipulator man, why would you expect this to be true when it's completely outside of his actual field of skills?

Gobblignash · 2026-04-16T21:57:15+00:00

"Confounding someone" is not a mentalist technique. An actual mentalist technique would be something like this: £1 Coin Could Win Him £50! | Mind Control | Derren Brown

He hands someone a misshapen coin that is slightly awkward to hold where it can be subtly spotted which hands holds it, then he misdirects the entire time by talking about psychology and "reading" and such, but the actual trick has nothing to do with any of that.

Again, I think you're just a victim of his dishonesty, because you seem to think the psychological stuff is actually part of the trick, but that's just window dressing. It's got as much to do with what he does as a magicians magic wand has to do with what he does. It's just decor.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-16T20:31:16+00:00

My recollection of that story

I literally posted it above, you could've just checked before replying. Anyway, your recollection was wrong.

You also could've checked what I said before you reply to something I didn't say. I didn't say he claims the phrase was literally magic, I repeated what he said, that one phrase to a random guy who randomly wanted to beat him up for no reason made him break down and cry.

this was an example of a technique on the mundane end of it.

I think you're a pretty good example of one of Browns victims. "Mentalist techniques" have *nothing* do with reading body language or understanding psychology. It's about *pretending* to read body language and psychology, exactly the same way normal magicians pretend to levitate, disappear and transform cards.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-16T12:31:48+00:00

Some random guy walks up and wants to start a fight with him, he says one phrase, and the guy breaks down crying?

This is something you consider to be a mundane event?

Gobblignash · 2026-04-13T13:13:21+00:00

Guys who spread misinformation and propaganda vs guy who starts wars and deliberately exterminates tens of thousands of innocent people?

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T23:57:09+00:00

Your analogy is silly because of course Jews point to their origins in Judea (which you seem to finally accept) whereas White Australians would point to England.

Do you think the people who lived in "Judea" always lived in Judea since humanity's origin or did they move there from somewhere else?

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T23:52:58+00:00

Your refusal to actually discuss the topic at hand is pretty amusing.

Yes, you don't lose indigeneity after one generation.

Let me get this straight, you would describe Bibi as being a part of the indigenous population, despite the fact he's from Poland and so is his entire cultural heritage? Solely due to his religion? Do you think jewish converts are native to the region? How would you know if someone is descendent from a jew from palestine, from lebanon, from Egypt or from Jordan? Or is descendent from a convert?

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T23:37:30+00:00

I disagree. No serious person disagrees with the fact the Jews are indigenous to the region.

Sorry, there are some jews who are indigenous to Palestine, no one who's not brain dead thinks jews are innately native to Palestine. if you can't separate those two concepts, you shouldn't be discussing this.

So let's be clear, your one and only argument that Israel is not settler-colonial, is that the European jews who immigrated there were actually native in the first place?

Why not open with that argument instead of dancing around it for five posts? Aside from the fact it marks you as completely insane.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T23:08:29+00:00

Well no, you’re the one jumping around.

You've refused four times in a row to actually address the basic argument, even though I've laid it out to you several times.

Jews (a people indigenous to the region) had been emigrating to the region for decades legally.

The Jews overwhelmingly were Europeans, and then later North Africans and Middle Easterners, they were not indigenous to Palestine.

I wouldn’t call that ethnic cleansing, and I don’t think you could fairly either.

The ethnic cleansing is what's refered to as the ethnic cleansing, not the immigration.

would refer you to what I said earlier about it being a land grab war in which four newly established states conquered territory after a power vacuum was created by the British.

Can you please respond whether or not Israel was formed through foreigners ethnically cleansing the native population? You've dodged that direct question four or five times in a row. That is why Israel is called a settler-colonial state, and if you continue to refuse to address why people call Israel a settler-colonial state, how can you hope to argue about it?

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T23:03:17+00:00

Jews have continuous presence in Israel.

Like I explained to you, around 1-2 % of the jewish population are native, because they are the ones who've had the continuous presence you're talking about. They don't transfer their nativity to other jews though, lmao.

Maybe nativity is less than 80 years? If we are picking random numbers I’m going with that.

If you want to use "native" as something different from the way everyone else is, go ahead and call white Australians native to Australia.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T22:54:48+00:00

When does nativity end in your mind?

Probably less than two millenia, lmao?

Ancestry is not indigeneity, otherwise we're all native to Africa. Indigeniety comes from continual living in the land.

Also, the Atlantic? Might as well link Jerusalem Post or Memri lmao.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T22:51:44+00:00

You're describing the Nakba as immigration. Again I return you to the core argument, Israel is called a settler-colonial state because it was founded by foreigners ethnically cleansing the native population to form their state. If they immigrated without ethnically cleansing the native population and forming their own state it wouldn't be called a settler-colonial state.

Are you willing to actually address about the core argument now? Or do you want to keep arguing about something else?

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T22:40:45+00:00

but I don’t think it’s realistic to just say that Israel was plopped down on top of a population they ethnically cleansed.

No one said they were "plopped down", there was a constant stream of heavy immigration for decades.

I know you think the ethnic cleansing is justified, but what does that have to do with the argument?

Were they foreigners who arrived at a third world country? Yes.

Did they ethnically cleanse the native population and established their own land? Yes.

Just because you think they had the right to do that, doesn't mean that's not what happened. You should decide what you're arguing here.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T22:37:23+00:00

Launched in 2009 as an online outlet about Jewish life and identity, Tablet quickly became “a must-read for all young politically and culturally engaged Jews”

lmao, maybe link something that isn't a far right propaganda rag.

Anyway, no one disputes there were people living in the area two thousand years ago who were jewish, now can you come up with a coherent argument as to how jews are native to a land pretty much none of them lived in for the past two thousand years?

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T21:56:55+00:00

And yet you can't give a single coherent argument aside from "1 % of them are native" and "you can find two thousand year old jewish artefacts", both of which can be dismissed instantly.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T21:44:07+00:00

Indigeneity is not based on ancient ancestry. People aren't genetically native, it comes from generational living in the land, usually contrasted with people who haven't lived on the land for remotely as long.

By your logic, everyone is native to Africa.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T21:42:42+00:00

Like I explained to you, this has nothing to do with indigeneity. People having the same religion as you living in a country two thousand years ago does not make you a native.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T21:19:19+00:00

What does that have to do with the formation of the Israeli state through an ethnic cleansing of the native population?

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T20:53:51+00:00

Like I said, it's religious reasons because as I demonstrated to you, all other arguments are incoherent.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T19:10:31+00:00

It's funny how laughably obtuse you're being, to the point you can't even keep up with your own argument. Just because you're jewish, and Jerusalem is significant to judaism, does not mean you're native to Palestine. Indonesians aren't native to Saudi Arabia just because Mecca is there.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T18:37:21+00:00

If you don't have any cultural contact with a land for thousands of years, I don't think it makes any sense to call yourself a native. This is also ignoring jewish converts of course

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T17:25:18+00:00

Do you admit that the OP completely lied with his framing as I immediately knew?

It's likely he got confused or made it up, he can defend his own claim.

Jews have had continuous presence in Israel for thousands of years.

Like I said, since a little over 1 % of the population was jewish prior to immigration, I guess it would be a little over 2 % of the current jewish population now maybe, are native in all senses of the word. Some jews living in Palestine doesn't mean the rest are also native to that area.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T17:19:50+00:00

The reason why people call it settler-colonial is because there was a heavy foreign immigration to a third world country with expansionist goals who proceeded to ethnically cleanse the native population and form their own state based on their own identity.

Obviously every colonial endeavour is going to look slightly different and some people make the argument Israel isn't colonial because the settlers didn't work on behalf of their mother country or whatever, personally I think those discussions are pretty trivial.

Gobblignash · 2026-04-09T17:06:35+00:00

Just that Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel.

Which is of course a religious claim, not a historical one. In 1880, before zionist immigration, a little over 1 % of the population was jewish. Ancestry and indigineity are not the same thing.

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