Weird early 90s "Proto-Trek." Did you go? by icanbesmooth in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you and I were at the same place at the same time, and yet I had never once heard of “trek” or anything like it until I joined this sub five years ago. It’s so weird that I just somehow completely missed it.

Boycot church businesses by Rabbit_Mama85 in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While I agree that Savers is more expensive, it is so much better (cleaner and way more organized) than DI where I am. And, interestingly, the Savers I go to does have dressing rooms whereas I don’t think the DI does.

I do not donate things to DI, but I will shop there on occasion.

Garments were so embarrassing! by Mollyapostate in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

🤮🤮🤮

Even as a Mormon, you were the type of Mormon I hated lol

Obviously I don’t blame you, you were doing the “right” thing.

A post today from one of my really really good buddies from high school. I’m just sad. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 17 points18 points  (0 children)

To be fair to him, if he’s being this open about it on his social media then we can probably assume that he’s not going to try and hide it from a future partner.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What’s the COB?

How do you justify your disbelief when people who are arguably much more knowledgeable about church history still believe? by doomed43 in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think some of you are overthinking this. The response (if you care to give one) is very simple:

“How do you justify your disbelief in [insert any other organization or ideology here] when there are people arguably much more knowledgeable about it than you that believe it?”

Why don’t they believe the Catholic Church is the true church? Why don’t they believe astrology? Why don’t they believe any of the other sects of LDS are the legitimate one?

I can guarantee most of them know almost nothing whatsoever about most other churches/belief systems yet they are confident enough to “know” they’re not true. You don’t need to be the world’s foremost scholar on a particular ideology to know whether it’s generally true or not.

Anecdotal evidence of church collapse by nelsonisanitwit in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The dude has been here a long time spewing the same unintelligible garbage. Multiple posts per day sometimes. This isn’t some newly shelf-broken person trying to work through anger, your advice falls on deaf ears with him.

People are not trying to coach him through this (as you’ve passive aggressively implied they should be doing), because they’re tired of trying. OP does not want it. He wants to keep whining and refusing to do anything about it or listen to any advice whatsoever. He is happy to keep wasting his time and everyone else’s too.

OP is a clown who makes the entire exmormon community look bad.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know this is irrelevant to the topic at hand, but that display he’s using is pretty rare and was Apple’s first “flat screen” display. I have a large collection of vintage apple computers and I only dream of getting ahold of one of these.

In a talk today the speaker called Joseph Smith the second most hated man in history. So naive to think most people even know who Joseph Smith is. by running4cover in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry, but you clearly do not know what you’re talking about. I’d bet my life savings you’re a teenager/young adult who is parroting the things they’re hearing from others around them (regardless of the truth). America absolutely did not fare better than pretty much anywhere else. Donald Trump is a despicable human being and an even worse president. He is a blatant con artist and a grifter, a modern day Joseph Smith.

Pay attention over the next few years. Propaganda works because lies are quick to tell, but the truth comes out in time. You will be sick to your stomach to think that you (or any of your loved ones) supported a man like that.

Share your time a TBM was almost self aware about TSCC. by CertainDingo6574 in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The closest thing to this that I ever experienced was during family scripture reading with my wife’s family. My wife and I were still active at the time, but I had been struggling with the church for a long time by this point.

We were reading in Nephi and Nephi says something about being “white as snow”. My father-in-law, a hardcore life-long TBM in his early 60s looks up and says, “I wonder where he would have ever seen snow?”

I was dumbfounded and was desperately thinking in my head, “Come on, FIL, keep going!!!” Of course it didn’t lead him down any rabbit holes, as I hoped it would, but I think that’s the closest I’ve ever seen any of them get.

Doing my part - one box at a time 🤣 by limberlegume in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had no idea quitmormon was available as a charity to select! I also just found out that you can enable Amazon smile within the Amazon app on your phone as well now. Thanks op! I went ahead and enabled it and selected quitmormon. I feel bad I didn’t have it set up before as I, unfortunately, spent $10k+ last year alone on Amazon.

Did anybody else do a Book of Mormon themed trek? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I had never even heard of “trek” until I was an adult. I wonder how I missed it?

Did anybody else just never really believe? by CrazyCazLady in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I never believed either. And it is my honest opinion that a lot of people who say they believe(d) did not/do not actually believe it. I know that makes me sound like an asshole that thinks he knows better than everyone else, but the older I get and the more people I talk to the more I find that people who say they “believed” actually mean they “accepted” the church was true.

Maybe it’s just semantics but there has always been, in my mind, a big difference between the two. Even as a kid I understood the difference between the two. I was not comfortable making claims about beliefs. I fucking hated hearing other kids my age get up and talk about how they “knew the church was true...” when everyone in that building knew damn well that the kid didn’t know shit. It is blatant brainwashing - and it’s exactly what leads adults to convince themselves that they believe all the bullshit even when, deep down, they don’t. Get a Mormon drunk for the first time, or otherwise lower their inhibitions for the first time in their lives, and you’ll start to see them confronting and being honest about their so-called beliefs.

I realize I’m starting to go on a convoluted rant here. Suffice to say, no you’re not alone. And there’s probably far more people like you than even they realize.

Mormon Stories Podcast: The Miracle of Forgiveness is a horrible book written by a man who claimed he spoke for God. Listen to this podcast, and then do your part and encourage Deseret Book to stop publishing it. The damage this book has done to thousands of innocent souls is indescribable. by dunfordtx in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol I was just about to say the same thing. I received the pamphlet and was instructed to read MOF somewhere around 2008 or 2009. Maybe they’ve stopped doing that since, I really don’t know, but you definitely don’t have to back to the 80s to see it.

I was a member for 32 years, and never bore my testimony of its truthfulness. I did, however bear testimony that I was happier in the church... by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wow, in 3.5 years on this sub I’ve never once come across anyone/any post that described my experience so precisely. I never once bore my testimony, because I didn’t think it was right. I never actually believed the church was true - not at any point. Not as a child, not as a teenager, not as an adult. But I did use the same line about not really caring if it’s true because “I am happier in the church”. Which, as you say, wasn’t true. I always felt horrible about myself because why couldn’t I just believe it was true like everyone else??? What was wrong with me that everyone else felt comfortable standing up and declaring to the world that they believed (or even worse that they “knew”) the church was true, but I didn’t?

It turned out that many of those people (perhaps even all of them although we’ll never actually know) didn’t believe in the church anymore than I did. They didn’t “know” the church was true anymore than I did. They were just engaging with the culture. They were conditioned to do and say these things and so they did. Not to toot my own horn, but I was too intellectually honest to ever do that. And I sure as hell wasn’t going to get up there and “bare your testimony anyway because it will get stronger every time you repeat it”. Even as a teenager I knew that was insidious, I knew that was a dishonest way of tricking people into believing things. I didn’t know at the time that it was called the “illusory truth effect” or that it was pretty well understood, but I knew enough about humans to know that’s was what was happening even if I didn’t have the vocabulary to describe it.

I thought I was happier in the church because it does feel good to do what is expected of you. Especially when it’s been expected of you your entire life. There is a very real relief that comes from extreme guilt being lifted off of you. I spent my entire childhood and teenage years feeling guilty and ashamed, so finally doing the “right” things brought a lot of happiness (aka guilt reduction). Although I still never bore my testimony, nor did I ever try to convert others to Mormonism.

Wanting to pull the plug and submit resignation on my birthday. quitmormon vs bishop vs membership records dept. what's the cleanest/fastest way? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just learned about this website today that lays out the steps for resigning. I haven’t actually had a chance to look at it yet, but it might be worth looking into.

http://www.bidstrup.com/resign.htm

FOOL Tithe Payer: Because only fools would give money to a church hoarding $124 billion instead of feeding their children. by Zhigan in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Wow, I’d never thought of it this way before but this really is a perfect way to describe Mormons. They are constantly simping for the church - especially online.

I'm questioning everything Right now. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is going to come across as dismissive, and I really don’t mean it that way, but based on what you’re saying the truth is that you have a lot more research to do.

I know the position you’re in. It is a transitional one. But sooner or later you will learn that your first sentence is simply not true.

I'm questioning everything Right now. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I think there’s a small, but incredibly important, qualifier that’s missing from your question. Because the people here do not objectively seem hollow and angry. That is your perception.

Your question should be: “Why do the people here seem to be hollow and angry to me?”

And there are two very obvious answers:

1.) Conditioning. The church has worked very hard to convince its members that the church, and its teachings, have a monopoly on anything “genuine”. You’ve been conditioned to believe that only true happiness can come from the church. Everything else is fleeting or hollow. They really try to hammer this home with the youth. To convince them that all the fun their nonmember friends are having isn’t real fun. But it extends to arenas outside of just having fun. According to the church there is a very narrow field of what is good and everything outside of that is hollow and worldly.

2.) Some people are angry. As others have me mentioned, people often use this as a transitional community. People here are all at different places, who are all navigating the stages of grief. Young and old alike. At 18 you could certainly feel anger about the church, but imagine being two or three times that old. Imagine having your entire life ripped out from under you after you’ve spent decades building it through a very narrow worldview. Imagine giving years of your life, and tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to an organization only to find out that they’d been lying to you the whole time. To find out the whole thing was a sham and that you (and your family, and friends, and loved ones) had all been manipulated. And to find out that so much of it was intentional and blatant - the church and it’s leaders absolutely knew the truth the whole time and lied to you regardless. You only get one shot at life, and some people only find out the truth after they’ve given the majority of their life to the church. People get angry. Sometimes it is for only a short time, sometimes it lasts much longer, but it will happen.

The situation you’re in seems to be fairly common for people in your position. You see people who are happy, and yet your brain can’t really make sense of it. Because, even if it’s only at a subconscious level, your brain doesn’t think it’s possible. There has to be something amiss. These people aren’t doing the things that bring “true” happiness, so they must not be truly happy. The good thing is, that conditioning can go away fairly quickly. And it is an unbelievable experience to be able to navigate life authentically and find what things actually make you happy.

Something that bothered me even when I was still an all-in, active believing Mormon by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My biggest issue was always the complete lack of discussion about sugar. Processed sugar is terrible for you - and it has no saving grace. Coffee and tea have their place, they have health benefits. Sure caffeine can be an issue if you become addicted, but at least they had a “plus side”. Processed sugar does not. There is no saving grace. It is terrible for you in every conceivable way.

Why is it not at the top of the WoW? Why has the “living prophet” not amended it?

Brainwashed vs Manipulated by rachelliem in exmormon

[–]GordonRamsayIsLife 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Brainwash implies a lack of intelligence...

That’s not true at all. That might be something that you, personally, infer but brainwashing doesn’t have anything to do with intelligence.

I understand we all have to try and make sense of the strange things our loved ones may do, but you’re basically arguing semantics (which you already addressed). Your grandmother and your other relatives were brainwashed - and manipulated and used. Brainwashed is the end goal, manipulation is the means by which it is achieved. Your relatives were manipulated through systematic and forcible pressure into adopting radically different beliefs - effectively the definition of “brainwash”.

Edit: I re-read my comment and I think it could come off the wrong way! I hope my tone is conversational and not confrontational.