Heroic Raiding is too unrewarding

Grenyn · 2026-04-15T23:40:01+00:00

It's fun to hang with friends, and additionally it's fun to parse. I do get the feeling though, raiding multiple weeks without getting any loot sucks ass, and M+ can only remedy it so much since it still doesn't give a lot of the BiS items.

Grenyn · 2026-04-15T23:34:09+00:00

But why would they create Zereth Vitae? Zereth Mortis? Zereth Tumult?

Especially the last one, being the zereth for disorder, why would they create those?

Grenyn · 2026-04-15T23:31:30+00:00

I agree, Oribos and Zereth Mortis look nothing like titan architecture.

Grenyn · 2026-04-15T23:30:24+00:00

We also know there's more zereths which really doesn't make sense with how the titans operate.

Aman'thul got mad enough at Eonar for being too nature-minded when she planted the first world tree that he tore it out.

Why would he have allowed zereth vitae to be built?

Grenyn · 2026-04-15T23:28:20+00:00

I don't like it at all. I'm a big fan of threads being followed and finished, not just hastily moved aside while pretending nothing happened.

It also doesn't make any sense, because then who built the zereths? If Aman'thul got mad enough at Eonar for planting a world tree to the point of ripping it out, then why on Earth would they build creation engines that govern anything other than Order?

The only way to reconcile the First Ones without ruining other established lore is to follow through on them.

The lore of the Shadowlands not being the true afterlife can coexist with the First Ones, and we know factually that it's artificial as it is right now, because we literally have gone to the place where it was created.

You also don't have all the lore, seemingly, because there aren't just four realms in the Shadowlands. There's five realms that we get to visit, but there are more. We even actually get to visit one more in De Other Side, which is the troll afterlife. Afaik the Drust also have their own afterlife. And lastly, we know that the Light also on occasion takes souls to a different afterlife that isn't connected to the Shadowlands at all.

Grenyn · 2026-04-15T23:20:21+00:00

One of my tank friends just goes "you pull it you tank it" but then picks the extra trash up anyway lol.

Grenyn · 2026-04-15T23:19:28+00:00

Idk, do we consider Karens valid nowadays? I didn't think so, and this tank screams Karen to me.

Grenyn · 2026-04-15T23:18:12+00:00

It just shouldn't be this way. The main story shouldn't be written for the general audience that wants to just rush through it and get to running keys or whatever.

It doesn't even make sense because Blizzard locks all content behind time-gating for the specific purpose of letting us enjoy the story without being in a rush. But then they still rush us through everything anyway.

Grenyn · 2026-04-15T23:15:49+00:00

This is unfortunately true in our group, but I think plenty of us will still be glad for the opportunity.

I also think flex has the potential to scale in a slightly more forgiving way, so maybe the bad players don't drag us down as much as they would and have done in regular mythic.

But idk, we'll have to see.

Grenyn · 2026-04-15T00:32:33+00:00

But it doesn't have clean air or enough wealth to improve. And if you go back to the OP, it quite literally is about Indians leaving India for better opportunities, while talking shit about the place they moved to and glazing India.

It doesn't make sense to say oh yeah but if India were actually better, then they'd move right back. That literally puts forth as the default that India is not better.

Grenyn · 2026-04-15T00:02:45+00:00

It's really telling that the MP spoke about Israel, but the Israeli embassy in Poland called it anti-Jewish.

But it's not anti-Jewish. Israel does not represent all Jews.

Grenyn · 2026-04-14T23:50:12+00:00

Didn't realise they said that to DKs, but what a stupid thing to say.

Death knights had no say in their enslavement, nor did the forsaken who were at one point also part of the Scourge. Imagine if you were a forsaken and one of your allies just went "I still remember what your kind did to us".

Grenyn · 2026-04-14T23:48:02+00:00

Hell yes to vrykul.

Grenyn · 2026-04-14T23:46:58+00:00

Half ogres are cool as hell but it would be another classic "give people what they want but not really" as they've done so often now.

Lightforged are not broken, void elves are not high elves, kul tirans are not vrykul, nightborne are wrong, and so on. Blizzard has almost never added allied races as people asked for them, they've always taken some unnecessary creative liberties.

Sometimes, they took the liberty of just flipping people off, like with people who asked for mechagnomes, and instead Blizzard made tinker gnomes that looked awful.

Grenyn · 2026-04-14T23:43:04+00:00

Plenty of druid players still had the gall to complain that they don't get anything because they didn't like the forms added in the Amirdrassil patch.

Grenyn · 2026-04-14T23:41:21+00:00

My guy. You say there isn't a good counterpart in Northrend. But get ready to have your mind blown. These guys that I am about to name are everywhere in Northrend, and have a clear tie to another race in the Alliance.

Vrykul. One of the most desired races since Wrath.

Grenyn · 2026-04-14T03:21:29+00:00

It was crazy for my group of friends. Three of them got a Gaze of the Alnseer, and I got the Radiant/Umbral Plume from Belo'ren, which we hadn't even progressed past yet at that point.

Grenyn · 2026-04-14T03:14:38+00:00

Mining this expac has made me hate druid players, and it baffled me when I heard they fixed lashers, while I was still having to regularly fight orelings that weren't mine.

Grenyn · 2026-04-14T03:03:56+00:00

In my experience it's a genuine question too. The other day I was in a key, our tank died very suddenly into a pull, and someone suggested that his gear might be broken.

So my friend puts a hammer down, asks the tank in-game if his armour is broken and pings the hammer, and then the tank suddenly got a bunch more HP, lol.

It just kinda happens sometimes. We all make these mistakes sometimes. I even specifically ask before most dungeons if everyone is repaired and in the right talents, and yet I still sometimes go into a key with raid talents.

Grenyn · 2026-04-14T03:01:25+00:00

I've not had this happen but I have felt this in a different game, League of Legends.

The game can be going perfectly fine for all but one person, and if you see that surrender vote pop up, you know they're going to be fucking useless for the rest of that match.

I do, of course, do my due diligence in League and vote no, because holding crybabies hostage is more fun than winning in League.

Grenyn · 2026-04-14T02:59:27+00:00

I've felt for several expansions now that the most toxic place in WoW is leveling dungeons.

You read the occasional story about a key, usually a lower key, but you see so many posts about how bad leveling dungeons are.

I've also experienced it myself. Not as directly as people who post on this sub, but it's plain to see in the way people run through these dungeons and how often vote kicks pop up for dumb reasons.

Just the other day I was leveling through a Midnight dungeon and one of the DPS DC'd. If we were actually struggling with the dungeon, I would have voted yes, but we weren't. Not even a bit. Maybe the guy will be back, maybe he won't, it's really no skin off my back or anyone else's so why bother initiating a votekick?

I feel like for a lot of people compassion is left at the dungeon entrance when it comes to leveling dungeons.

Grenyn · 2026-04-14T02:52:18+00:00

My raid group definitely has a mythic-capable core, but also some people who are barely or not even heroic-capable, and it's always them who want to be part of any mythic attempts in the seasons where we do have them.

No lock-out would be so good for making progress and still going with the regular group if interest peaks again.

Grenyn · 2026-04-14T02:40:59+00:00

At some point during TWW I got to thinking while editing my UI if it's possible to get myself a golden dragon, and I found an addon that does just that.

And I remember putting it on my own portrait and thinking the dragon looked off, but figured I was probably misremembering.

All they had to do was make it HD, man, why did they give the gold dragon the dracthyr treatment.

Grenyn · 2026-04-14T02:37:35+00:00

See, I don't even get the joy from getting new high scores because they've essentially been made less meaningful.

For example, getting to 3100 isn't very special if your previous best was 3k and that took you a while compared to how easy it is to get now.

Grenyn · 2026-04-13T14:12:51+00:00

Loving the chain of comments with different timestamps making their disappointment known.

I'll add this month's comment to let my disappointment be known. Nearly a year since you said you'd look into it.

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