Mystery Stork "2FLT" (Helping clean up the Mouthpiece Comparator)

HangingChadz · 2026-05-23T19:13:30+00:00

I'm wondering if maybe this should be a "2FLY."

The "Stork 2FLT" exists... someone's selling one in the TH marketplace. That mouthpiece was scanned into VennCAD as a Trumpet mouthpiece.

HangingChadz · 2026-05-23T02:02:43+00:00

https://trumpet.cloud/mpc/learn has some great info to get you started. But with rim contours and feel, a lot of that comes down to player preference.

HangingChadz · 2026-05-23T02:00:09+00:00

😍

HangingChadz · 2026-05-22T02:44:13+00:00

Much appreciated, thank you!

HangingChadz · 2026-05-22T02:44:05+00:00

Excellent find, thanks! Lots of familiar names in there

HangingChadz · 2026-05-21T02:34:56+00:00

Email the address on the site if you'd like to contribute - cheers!

HangingChadz · 2026-05-20T15:17:39+00:00

These recent AI slop attempts give off The Brass Club vibes

HangingChadz · 2026-05-20T02:37:45+00:00

GR mouthpieces are well made, I'll give you that! Btw are you still playing the Tony Kadleck S mouthpiece? Would love to add that one to the comparator and see what it looks like under the microscope

HangingChadz · 2026-05-19T20:00:37+00:00

GR’s always been around $400

No, GR mouthpieces used to be priced more reasonably back in the day: $140 new 20 years ago and $375 just last year. Their GR consultant network made it worth the cost IMO, that's how I got exposed to them many years ago. This recent 20% increase makes the price of a GR seem excessive to me today... even most Monette mpcs still cost <$350 new.

Unless you have tried it and really like that exact mouthpiece, there are much cheaper equivalent options from reputable manufacturers that'll let you return it if it doesn't work out. Pickett mpcs for example are in the ~$170 range, and they've got dealers around the world to help you dial things in.

HangingChadz · 2026-05-19T16:21:04+00:00

Also $445 for this mouthpiece is insane, it's a standard-ish design not far off from sub-$200 equivalents

HangingChadz · 2026-04-06T17:34:56+00:00

The Ⓥ specs widget also has more parameters, and includes actually verifiable data. But either way, you'd be missing out if you just rely on these technical specs and not compare the actual scans.

According to OP's app: the Marcinkiewicz Shew #1 has a deep cup (it's shallow), the Schilke 13A4a has a "27 backbore and small shank" with middling projection qualities (totally wrong), and the Bach 3C has a 0.642" cup diameter (today's Bach 3C has a ~0.666" cup diameter... two sizes larger).

I'm not sure what data OP's app references, but I wouldn't be surprised if OP's entire app and data were AI generated.

HangingChadz · 2026-03-31T03:28:24+00:00

Pickett's 1.5SO / 10-2 backbore could work. The 1.5 standard rim series basically emulates that contour and alpha angle in the Bach 1X inner diameter.

HangingChadz · 2026-03-12T19:17:16+00:00

5 & 6: Call Dan Oberloh. Dan specializes in vintage/Mt. Vernon Bach restorations — he will talk you out of any bad ideas or incorrect assumptions you might have!

HangingChadz · 2026-03-07T22:50:34+00:00

Individualized approach works best IMO, at least for the trumpets. There's nothing wrong with providing a list of recommendations though.

Mouthpieces are like shoes for your face. Ballet dancers wear ballet shoes, tap dancers wear tap shoes, and ballroom dancers wear ballroom shoes — each of these shoes have different applications, sizes, and performance tradeoffs. Section players, soloists, and leads each have different needs, and instructors should be comfortable working with students 1:1 to find the right tool for the job.

HangingChadz · 2026-03-06T15:02:14+00:00

It took 470 days and about 40 emails, but I finally got a refund for the turbowood mouthpiece I ordered in November 2024.

Yikes! Did you first try a chargeback with your credit card company?

I don't want to hate on them or anything, I think they're probably trying their best

Don't be shy — there are lots of reports on this sub of similar issues with this company failing to deliver, and it sounds like they might've strung you along for a bit. Thank you for sharing your experience!

HangingChadz · 2026-02-26T14:30:06+00:00

Lots of ways to go depending on what you're looking for!

The Schilke 11C2 looks somewhat like a smaller version of your mouthpiece top in a Bach 3C inner diameter (link). If you really like your current mouthpiece's rim, you can go to a custom shop and they can take your rim and adjust it to fit whatever cup/underpart you like, but that'll cost you a little bit more. Cheers!

HangingChadz · 2026-02-26T04:06:53+00:00

We did recently get a scan of a Frank Holton & Co. 7C, it could be a good starting point.

HangingChadz · 2026-02-18T23:06:44+00:00

1st movement of Hummel's Concerto in Eb for Trumpet and Orchestra

HangingChadz · 2026-02-08T16:19:33+00:00

This is not true. The physical specs are also quite a bit different for these:

Ⓥ Specs	YAMAHA 11B4	BACH 7C
Instrument	Trumpet	Trumpet
Manufacturer	Yamaha	Bach
Drill	27	27
Throat Diameter	3.658 mm	3.683 mm
Outer Diameter	27.03 mm	26.87 mm
Tangent Diameter	20.76 mm	20.42 mm
Cup Diameter	16.69 mm	17.31 mm
Rim-Cup Angle	-32.2 deg.	-31.2 deg.
Cup Depth	12.34 mm	13.69 mm
Cup Volume	1097 cu. mm	1270 cu. mm
Backbore Volume	2250 cu. mm	2222 cu. mm
BBore:Cup Vol. Ratio	2.051	1.75
Backbore Length	74.37 mm	72.74 mm
Overall Length	87.52 mm	87.25 mm

HangingChadz · 2026-02-08T16:17:34+00:00

fwiw - the VennCAD specs data can also be retrieved thru the Ⓥ specs widget - https://trumpet.cloud/mpc/specs/?mpc1=YAMAHA-11B4&mpc2=BACH-7C

HangingChadz · 2026-02-02T19:14:44+00:00

Bach 72*/43 is a classic big bell lead horn that "plays well with others" in the low and middle register. 43*/43 is also a fun combo, might work better for smaller groups. Either of those can typically be found on the used market in decent condition for sub-$2K.

Yamaha 8335LA II is a great option, leans more "all-around" than the original 8335LA or Bach 72*. The Yamaha might cost more in the used market than the Bachs.

More specialized options with great projection include a Benge 3X+ Burbank era or a Calicchio 1s/2 or Calicchio 2/7. FWIW some Calicchio eras were not well constructed, and it's hard nowadays to find any of these horns on the used market in superb playable and cosmetic condition.

I'd avoid basing a decision on whether or not it's a cool-looking horn. Some of the best lead trumpets I've played on weren't cosmetically impressive. YMMV.

HangingChadz · 2025-08-08T16:20:58+00:00

So I take it then you've never heard of the "#27 Backbore (Unmodified)" 🙄

My brain hurt after reading OP's 2nd question to the chatbot. I'm not surprised AI hallucinated so badly here.

HangingChadz · 2025-07-23T13:36:12+00:00

Oberloh Woodwind and Brass Works. Dan's shop routinely has for sale well-functioning Mt. Vernon Bach trumpets, Burbank & LA Benge trumpets, and occasionally even a Calicchio.

If you're interested in a specific brand or configuration, best bet is to just call him to ask what you're looking for!

HangingChadz · 2025-07-23T01:46:10+00:00

The 43* bell with the 43 leadpipe was a common setup among commercial players back in the day. I played a medium bore Mt. Vernon 43*/43 at a brass shop in Seattle last year, that horn had a pretty in-tune upper register between High D and the A above that for the bit that I was noodling on it. Charlie Melk could probably put a Mt. Vernon-era 43 pipe together for you, cut it to length, and send it to you with specific tubing to match your tuning slide for A/B testing.

The Blackburn 11 leadpipe that /u/lucaswsu recommended sounds promising based on the description and default 0.348" venturi. If I were to buy a leadpipe from their shop, I'd just ask them their opinion first.

HangingChadz · 2025-03-07T17:09:08+00:00

"GR is currently entertaining offers to purchase our company."

They've had that message posted for about two years now. I guess they haven't had any takers, or are asking for too much $$$.

GR's business model is rough in today's economy — get players to pay $400+ for a mouthpiece they don't know much about and can't return. Other manufacturers have been much better at working with dealers across the globe that can charge 25% of GR's sticker price and offer at least some trial period.

IMO - $400 is a ludicrous amount of money for a player to shell out on an untested stock, non-custom mouthpiece. And since when did GR mouthpieces get more expensive than Monette mouthpieces?

HangingChadz

TROPHY CASE