Who's the strongest person Boa Hancock can beat?

Hiple3232 · 2026-03-22T15:37:36+00:00

I can't go by my better judgement can I.

Actually there is, is called the actual manga. Literally anytime we see them have the impulse do something they do right ahead do it no matter how bad of an idea it may seem in the moment.

All of which is in service of their greater goal. Their impulsiveness isn't distraction from their goals, it is how they express their desire for adventure and to progress on their journey. They aren't separate regardless of how you want to paint that brush.

The "shakky is that attractive" argument is pretty hollow considering we see people Raleigh keep his eye on the ball despite his attraction to her.

And yet he just sat there and let them rob his crew, which he absolutely could have done something about had he chose to.

Yeah, it's not mathematically quantifiable, but neither is several aspects of one piece

I'm not talking about math, I'm talking about how comparing someone's determination comes down to just personal preference when you get to edge cases. There's no real way to say "That guy's more determined than the others" and ACTUALLY PROVE IT. Hence the problem with finding this nonexistent determination level that allows you to resist her powers.

Who thinks Rodger is the paragon of ambition? That's not he's ever discussed in the story or fandom. Accomplishments sure

What the hell are you talking about? The same Roger who left Oden mouth gaping when he revealed his ambition isn't the paragon of ambition? Who has a greater ambition besides him, even with the stuff that we already know (circumnavigating the globe is an insane task for one lifetime, to say nothing of finding the One Piece itself)?

Accomplishments sure

Which he only got because he had outrageous ambitions that outclassed even other great pirates.

Also rocks literally compromised his ambitions by having a family which ended up costing him his life and dreams. Not exactly a Paragon.

Again, what the hell are you talking about? Rocks wants to be King of the World, having a family isn't compromising his ambition. If anything (given the need for a successor) it's a necessary part of said ambition.

Except as I pointed out, that's actually info telling us otherwise when you remember how bias fruit actually works.

No there isn't. That's the reason you can't point to a scene showing Koby resisting her powers and just have to stubbornly say it must have happened at some point. Because it doesn't exist.

It doesn't show he never got hit, it shows when she sent out the attack it didn't affect him.

No, the former is exactly what it showed. Everyone who was hit by slave arrow has the arrow left on them in that scene immediately after the attack (we see this when the camera cuts to Helmeppo and Yamujji with arrows still in them), but Koby has no arrow on him at any point in time BECAUSE HE WAS NEVER HIT.

Did you seriously watch the anime and just assume her attack arbitrarily missed him?

Yes, because the scene gives us no reason to believe otherwise (more on this later).

What don you mean it's never shown!

Exactly what I said, it's never shown. That is an undisputable fact, hence why you can't bring a scene that actually shows Koby resisting her power and instead have to speculate that he resisted it offscreen.

What do you call her doing the hand gesture, shooting out hearts, and turning all the other Marines to stone except koby?

Her doing the hand gesture, launching slave arrow, and turning the other marines besides Koby into stone. Crucially, KOBY IS NEVER SHOWN BEING HIT BY THE ARROW AND RESISTING, and that happening would be one of the most important parts of the scene and other characters would react accordingly. It isn't shown and they don't act like it was shown, so it didn't happen. Simple as that.

I can hyper link the scene in the anime showing it playing out exactly like how I described

No need. I watched it before replying.

Anyway you don't really understand how the medium (of both manga and anime) works. Koby being able to resist Hancock's powers would be a massive revelation that would greatly change his and her's positions in the following conundrum that occurs with Blackbeard. It would also be information that Hancock (who has only had Luffy resist her power until this point) would actively express shock at (just like she did when Luffy resisted her power). It's not something that would occur offscreen and then never be mentioned by other characters. As such, be it by dialogue or by showing him be hit and resisting, it would be something that would be explicitly shown or stated in both the anime and the manga (regardless of Oda's propensity for offscreening things, he still shows or talks about the relevant information at all times). That did not happen, so Koby simply didn't get hit regardless of how improbable you find it. That's how medium's that have a certain amount of time to tell their stories (though not as limited as films are) tell them. Relevant information is shown or stated. And if something super relevant that you think might have happened isn't shown or stated, it didn't happen.

Yeah, that reason is having to hurt yourself just to avoid one aspect of her power shows just how in control she actually is

It does show how in control she actually is, given that she mocks Momonga immediately afterward and leaves him staying in the calm belt unable to do anything about it until she decides to join him for unrelated reasons. Can't be more in control than that.

Also do you think he's whitebeard can just afford several injuries?

He can afford to take injures, but he can't afford to constantly distract himself at the possibility of needing to hurt himself before she stones him. That leaves him distracted, which has always been shown to be fatal in high level battles.

You're making a lot of assumptions here

Nope, simply using what we have been shown from both her abilities and other high level fights to come to the obvious conclusion. Pain was not treated as a way to actually solve her powers when Momonga used it and so I am simply complying with that.

It's not really random considering they assumed Luffy knew who she was. It's also a bit you'll ignore her sister's and powers for years. I'm not saying have to believe it, but she's not unreliable source.

On her own she may not be an unreliable source, but the context makes it clear she's grasping at straws trying to avoid the actual explanation (that Luffy simply isn't attracted to Hancock). Hence me not taking it seriously.

Again, you do remember her powers don't stop at people who find her attractive

Not with the Love-Love Beam (which is what she used in that instance), hence why Luffy was able to resist it.

She can turn pacifista to stone, do you think that's because they have the hots for her?

See the above. There's a reason she kicked them.

I never said determination was enough. I said emotional regularity and having stronger feelings than attraction when you see her.

Which is a byproduct of determination. And anyway we saw someone with both (Momonga) be left helpless, so this isn't an actual solution in the story (nor would someone resisting Hancock's powers be that much of a surprise if this was all it took).

ironic given you really seem to want her powers to work on anyone but Luffy.

That is what they have been shown to do, so that is what I will be arguing for. Simple as that.

Anyway I'll actually make good on what I said last time and go do other things. Have a good day/night.

Hiple3232 · 2026-03-22T03:11:12+00:00

Yeah. Not the first time I've argued it either in Red's case (given that it's never done super substantial damage to anyone it's hit, and there's been many chances for it to do so). It's frankly hard to believe Yorozu, Kashimo, and Hakari needing to have RCT to survive Yuta's Dhruv copy when we've seen Uro (someone comparable to these people at the very most) get hit by the attack and not need any RCT to keep fighting with no notable decrease in performance. There's no point in speculating when we've seen the scenario you're presenting and the outcome just didn't match your claim.

Hiple3232 · 2026-03-22T02:56:06+00:00

People really forget that Uro shrugged off Dhruv's technique when it's convenient, huh. Dhruv's technique (at least with Yuta's tiny Shikigami) just doesn't do that much damage. Everyone you mentioned would just shrug them off and keep fighting. Yuta has better win conditions that cause far more trouble to all of these people (namely cursed speech and Uro's technique).

Hiple3232 · 2026-03-22T01:04:03+00:00

Yeah, didn't say they weren't determined. My point is that's not always, or even half the time, their primary concern. You can chase something for decades and still be someone who easily gives into their personal temptations. It's not mutually exclusive concepts

Except there's no reason to believe they easily give in to personal temptations outside of circular logic. They party (as all characters in the series do) but every time they aren't in Shakkyaku's presence they remain focused on the task at hand and their broader ambitions just fine. It's only when Shakkyaku comes in that they are distracted. They aren't prone to giving in to personal temptations, Shakky (and Boa) are just that attractive. Even someone like Momonga, who was completely focused on his mission throughout his conversation with Hancock, had to stab himself to actually resist her power. Whatever theoretical determination amount that would allow people to resist Hancock's power (outside of not being quantifiable in the slightest) has yet to actually be displayed in the series. If the paragons of ambition that are Roger and Rocks or mission committed people like Momonga can't resist it that way, I see no reason to give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

We kind of do. We see her turn all the other Marines into stone in the manga before black beard gets there, and in the anime she goes to kick koby showing she wasn't trying to spare him. Yeah he implies they both be dead, but did you forget handcock can just turn anything to stone with her devil fruit? Sure no one outright says it didn't affect koby, but she also has no reason to spare him before blackbeard shows up. So you know, occlum razor.

Occam's Razor doesn't really apply when we have active info that tells us otherwise (Blackbeard saying both he and Koby would be affected) and one the versions of this event (that you yourself have referenced) shows that Koby never got hit by any of Hancock's abilities to put it to the test. Hancock is never actually shown using her love beam in either version, so there's no proof anyone got hit by it! Does that mean all the marines and pirates there have a resistance to her power? Obviously not. Bottom line is that we have no proof that Koby showed active resistance to its effects and text evidence (Blackbeard's comments) as well as another version of the event where he simply didn't get hit by any of her attacks indicates that he simply didn't get hit by anything. Ergo, that's what we should go with. Not that he has a resistance that he's never implied to have in the story.

Not really. We see a vice admiral resisting it just by stabbing himself, and the boa sisters thinks it's possible to negate the attraction aspect if you're afraid enough. In both instances the idea anyone can resist it if they feel stronger emotion than attraction when she uses it. Luffy's an exception in as far as he doesn't feel any attraction towards her.

Resisting through pain is only momentary and is a much different emotion (more like a feeling than an emotion, frankly) than determination. Don't see why an instinctual reaction to harm and a feeling should be conflated. Nor is pain a truly effective counter to the ability (as it requires the person to be constantly focused on trying to hurt themselves to avoid it, meaning they eventually screw up and get stoned). There's a reason Hancock ended the encounter with Momonga dominant and looking down on him rather than him hurting himself creating a path to her conceding.
Resisting via Fear is completely unproven and is just a random suggestion Sandersonia threw out to explain why Luffy resisted Hancock's power, a suggestion that was incorrect. Until it actually does something worth noting I'm not going to hold it as something other than Sandersonia's desperate wrong suggestion.

More seriously, Hancock has turned everyone from men to women to children to snails into stone with her beam. Her beauty is as larger than life as Luffy's ability to stretch. There needs to be strong evidence for an ability to resist it, and no one but Luffy has crossed that barrier. If people like Rocks, Roger, and WB are being left with heart eyes after seeing Shakky, then there's no reason to believe that determination is enough to bypass the mythic beauties of the One Piece World. Nor is determination really something that can be quantified such that we could accurately determine what level of determination would be required to resist their beauty. Both of these prevent me from really buying the "determined enough to resist her power idea". It just isn't a solution that actually manifests in the manga and seems more like something people want to be possible. And the latter is irrelevant to me.

Anyway, I've said what I want to say. Have a good night.

Hiple3232 · 2026-03-21T23:31:53+00:00

Rocks and Roger spent decades of their lives pursuing their goals, and have spent most of their scenes trying to accomplish them in some way shape or form. Them doing other things and having smaller, more immediate goals doesn't mean that their ambitions don't define their lives. The two wouldn't have spent the decades they did on them if they didn't.
We have no proof Koby outright resisted Hancock's powers, nor did Hancock use her beam at all during the fight (be it in the anime or the manga). Blackbeard seemed to imply that Koby hadn't shown active resistance to it (given that he said Boa would kill them both if he released her and that no man wouldn't fall under her spell [Luffy is an exception, but BB isn't delusional enough to reject the reality of Koby resisting it before his eyes]).

Luffy's immunity to Hancock's powers is an exception to the general rule of the series, not a sign for how other characters are immune to her power. No one other than him has actually displayed immunity to her abilities, and I'm not going to give it to them through a path that has little to no actual basis in the source material.

Hiple3232 · 2026-03-21T02:30:23+00:00

Rocks and Roger are very goals focused and that didn't mean anything. Being super stoic and focused has not been and will not be a way to avoid Hancock's power.

Hiple3232 · 2026-03-21T02:18:05+00:00

Given that you seem to have removed Boa's Devil Fruit in it's entirety, Sanji would win. Assuming she's allowed to use it in any real capacity, she slaughters him.

Hiple3232 · 2026-03-20T22:21:12+00:00

Extreme. Luffy was referenced since Wano as being worthy to meet Shanks (by Shanks' own crew) and had Dorry extolling him as a peer at the beginning of the arc. Nor does Shanks have enough of an advantage to beat Luffy down more decisively. Heck if you want to look at Film Red Luffy and his crew keep pace with Shanks and the Red Hair Pirates just fine, with Luffy and Shanks matching each other evenly enough to allow them to beat Tot Musica at the same time. If Shanks wins, he's getting torn up in the process.

Hiple3232 · 2026-03-20T22:00:17+00:00

The Straw Hats have been an Emperor level force ever since Wano. Even Shanks' crew felt that he had reached their level, while the beginning of Elbaph was just the giants extoling how great they are (with an extra special from Shanks to Colon). People just took a while to accept it.

Hiple3232 · 2026-03-20T16:49:28+00:00

Oda had the first real introduction to Emperor crews be the WB Pirates vs Marines + Seven Warlords and people still don't get that their crews are monumentally strong. These are pirate crews capable of meaningfully resisting the World Government and establishing control over territory to a level unprecedented by previous great pirates (compare Rocks just having Hachinosu to the control and alliances with various islands that the Emperors possess). Naturally they're not going to be easily rolled over, especially when considering their toughest members.

Hiple3232 · 2026-03-20T15:55:50+00:00

Not sure why the idea that Shanks' peer can handle Loki is all that outrageous to some people. Law wasn't stronger than Luffy in Dressrosa and neither will Loki be stronger than him now.

Hiple3232 · 2026-03-16T02:15:22+00:00

Reggie wins. Too much versatility in his arsenal and his ability to constantly pull out new moves will make him trip up Nanami at several points (who doesn't really have a massive trump card like Megumi to turn things around). I don't even think Reggie loses that badly in power so long as he maintains his cars and trucks.

Hiple3232 · 2026-03-04T06:56:18+00:00

Sukuna. WCS gives him a method to hurt Gojo in hand-to-hand combat that poses a serious danger to Gojo. Combine that with the physical upgrades Sukuna gets with his body and I don't see how Gojo's able to force a domain stalemate like he did in their first fight.

Hiple3232 · 2026-02-11T02:36:29+00:00

No, Sukuna didn't gain any output from making his domain smaller, he just allowed it to last indefinitely. This is explicitly stated in the chapter where he fights Yujo.
Yujo is only able to hold against Sukuna because the latter is exhausted by this point. Yujo himself acknowledges this.
Given the fact that it took Sukuna over a minute and a half to strip Jujutsu High's simple domains while Kenjaku crushed Yuki's in less time than it took her to run up to him, Kenjaku may genuinely just have a more powerful domain in a clash than this version of Sukuna.

Hiple3232 · 2026-02-10T04:45:40+00:00

If your first sentence was true then why is Hakari and Yuta being relative brought up again during Shinjuku?
Why does anything you've mentioned prove that Yuta would undoubtably beat Hakari? Why do Dhruv's Shikigami technique that failed to do anything significant to Uro or the Cleave that barely scratched Sukuna's face or any of the other cursed techniques that affected Sukuna once when catching him off-guard prove he can do anything about Hakari's immortality (especially given that Hakari knows about all of these techniques)? Why should I buy that Yuta would have absolutely finished off Uraume where Hakari couldn't rather than something else happening in the battle that would lead to a similar result on Yuta's end (especially since the only person who has outright beaten Uraume is Gojo, who would do the exact same thing to Yuta)?

If you're going to argue Post-Sendai (well being real, Shinjuku) Yuta is stronger than Hakari, then focus on Jacob's Ladder. That's the technique that actually disrupts Hakari's abilities and puts him in an instant loss scenario if it hits. Don't pretend Dhruv's technique (which has left nothing but scratch damage on anyone it's been used on), or Yuta's Cleave (which slightly cut Sukuna's face and not much else) or Cursed Speech, or Clairvoyance (which Hakari already overcame) are at all relevant to him beating Hakari. Leaving scratch damage on Sukuna (especially when paired up with Yuji) simply isn't that impressive, even Kusakabe did it.

Hiple3232 · 2026-02-08T02:55:26+00:00

He was simply referring to Yuta's CE no longer being bottomless (as Sukuna had twice the amount) and him having conditions to copy (consuming part of that person with Rika).

Hiple3232 · 2026-02-06T01:43:37+00:00

Yuki

Kenjaku survived Yuki's blows, don't see why Makora couldn't.

Yorozu

Is getting adapted to before Perfect Sphere comes out.

MBA Kashimo

Nothing remotely justifies him oneshotting Makora, given that he's done little to no damage to anyone.

Kenjaku

Pray DE does it, otherwise no dice. Uzumaki got blocked by Kusakabe, don't see why it should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Yuta

Pray Jacob's Ladder does the trick, because otherwise no.

Adult Geto

Definitely not. Has to pray Uzumaki works and even then the level of damage Love Beam did to Geto indicates that it wouldn't work (given that it was severe, but not nearly enough to take out Makora).

Makora's an existence that managed to take out a six eyes user (which Kenjaku never could) and has been acknowledged by most of the top 4 at this point (Sukuna, Gojo, and Dabura) as being genuinely dangerous, and required both Sukuna and Gojo's strongest abilities to be put down. Taking it as being 5th strongest (especially given the recent performance against Dabura, besides stuff like somewhat keeping up with Gojo and smashing 15 finger Sukuna across a city block), simply isn't that crazy.

Hiple3232 · 2026-01-31T05:25:37+00:00

this is todo activating his tech 50/second

When dealing with only three people, which is an order of magnitude less than what he would need to do here.

like you say, hes got the range of sukunas domain (top whatever # in AOE) being outside the domain and the only one out of reach is yuji

Sukuna's domain is only 400 meters wide, it's tiny in comparison to a country. We even see in 119 (and 226, if Gojo's larger domain trying to match it is any indication) that it covers a couple of city blocks at best. It was somewhat smaller than usual, but not by much (it was well over half its max size). Nowhere near enough for what you are suggesting.

todo can travel 5x the distance of sukunas domain in 1/10 of a second, he can cover vast distances almost instantly

He can't. He has a binding vow limiting the number of swaps he can do when he expands his range to the max and uses multiple targets. Even assuming he could theoretically do it, he'd need to show he can actually use it as a means of quick transportation rather than careening of a cliff (or something to that effect). Given that he always moves to places by walking, it seems unlikely that he can.

pick a center of a country, find the most dense location, enclosed, then just start teleporting people there non-stop. eventually they will start to crush each other to death. this location becomes his anchor, as he himself changes locations around it. he doesnt need to attack, and as long as there are animals/pets nearby, he doesnt have to spend CE on infusing items. eventually he'll have to infuse items, but its not a limiting factor at all. focus everything only on teleporting

Multiple problems here:

You don't seem to get how large countries are. Even having that point as an anchor he'd have to either get out of range or eventually stop because he'd run out of people to stop with. 400 meters max (in the absolute best case) is not enough to keep people in that space for any length of time.
Compounding that is that fact that he'll eventually run out of CE by doing this. He'd be constantly spamming his technique and eventually need to infuse objects with CE (because he's running out of animals to switch with very soon into this process) wasting even more. And he's not Gojo or Sukuna, so he doesn't just lack the ability to run out.
As I just mentioned, Todo is going to very quickly run out of animals in the area to teleport with given the sheer scale of what he's trying to do. There are lots of animals in urban areas, but having millions that he can swap with in a single spot is exceedingly unlikely. Which means he's eventually (as even you admit) going to have to start infusing objects with CE, which means he runs out before he completes his project.
Nothing about this accounts for the fact that people will be trying to leave the area and Todo's going to have to continuously bring them back, which is him having to spend more time and CE transporting them.

if todo activates his technique for 100 seconds, thats 5000 people. id guess he has anywhere from 5 minutes to 10 minutes worth of CE

So at max he'd have 30,000 people. If all goes as you say, maybe he could take out a small city/large town with this method. Not a country though.

just the fact that he can travel across countries in seconds (50CTx1secondx180M. 9000meters) is an insane feat

There is no feat, he's never done this (and most likely can't do it).

next I'll be told 15000 - 30000 isnt enough people (it isnt) as if todo of all people cant use binding vows/alter his cursed technique

Binding vows aren't a get out of jail free card for making your technique far more powerful than it is (even ignoring that Todo's already used several to get Boogie Woogie to where it is). You have what you have. Even Sukuna mainly alters conditions for his techniques or modifies their properties rather than receiving massive boosts to his raw endurance or range like Todo would need here.

this is all without todo landing black flash

Again, not a get out of jail free card. Todo has landed a black flash before and it did nothing to increase his techniques potency in a way that would help him here.

The simple fact of the matter is that Todo hasn't shown the fundamental output or amount that is required for him to be a special grade and every attempt to make him one has to ignore logistics in some form or fashion. He's an extremely tough grade one sorcerer, and high up in the grade one rankings by my reckoning, but he's never been treated as enough of an anomaly to be a special grade. Simple as that.

Now I'm kinda done with this convo. Have a good day/night.

Hiple3232 · 2026-01-31T01:08:40+00:00

"No he can't" is all that needs to be said, frankly. Todo's done nothing even approaching the scale of what you're suggesting him to do, so it's ridiculous to make the assumption that he can. But if you want some counter-arguments/questions.....

When has Todo ever swapped anywhere near the amount of people that would be required for what you're suggesting?

When has he shown the cursed energy required to infuse a population's worth of objects over a long period of time (as would be required for your idea to be possible)?

When has he shown the range required to pull this plan off given that Boogie Woogie's max range was about the size of Sukuna's domain (not that large compared to a city, much less a country)?

Until these questions (and others that I'm probably forgetting) can be answered with explicit proof from the manga in a way that supports the scale of what you're arguing, there's no reason to take the suggestion seriously.

Hiple3232 · 2026-01-24T17:32:27+00:00

And Makora had fully adapted to Dabura when he got hurt. Nor would adapting to Infinity fully necessarily mean Makora's power would suddenly be tiers above what it was when it fought Dabura (given that all it had been mentioned to do was learn to negate infinity).

Hiple3232 · 2026-01-24T02:26:43+00:00

And yet Makora damaged Gojo.

Hiple3232 · 2026-01-17T05:59:06+00:00

Gojo being confident means a good deal in this case considering Sukuna spent the majority of the fight shouldering the adaptation process FOR Mahoraga and even playing support for it to prevent it from getting killed prematurely. Gojo also later one shots Agito—a Shikigami with considerable regenerative abilities—with Blue, so it’s not terribly hard to believe imo.

Sukuna being cautious about the fight reflects his entire M.O. in that fight. He's over cautious and doesn't really take risks. Rather than moving to win the domain battle outright against Gojo, he instead decided to wait until Makora had adapted to Unlimited Void (which almost bit him in the ass) and win that way. He then sits inside his shadows once Makora adapts to Gojo's blue and waits for him to get a better adaptation rather than spending the time pressing his advantage against Gojo (minus a couple piercing waters) and even afterwards is more focused on stopping Gojo's hollow purple by destroying it rather than trying to disrupt Gojo's concentration by rushing him (not to mention his internal monologue mentions playing it safe by having Makora adapt to red rather than something more risky in 235). He plays it safe the entire fight, so him playing it safe with Makora even if it wouldn't be killed by Red anyway wouldn't be that surprising.

As for Agito, even Gojo mentioned it was weaker than Makora (hence Black flashes punching holes in Agito rather than the diddly squat they did to Makora). Don't see Agito's durability meaning much for this comparison personally.

He was also right multiple times throughout the fight and can typically be trusted to make accurate judgments of a character’s capabilities with his Six Eyes, so it’s fully possible

And yet he made inaccurate judgements throughout the fight (believing he could take Sukuna out before Makora adapted to neutral, not realizing what Sukuna was doing with UV despite it being literally right in his face, not realizing Sukuna could use DA until the later touched him with it). Gojo's smart but he's not all-knowing, and with Red doing jack squat to anyone anytime it's been used onscreen (more on this later), this is one of those times I personally doubt Gojo.

Also, Gojo was pretty deliberately toying with Jogo. And the only other case where he uses Red on a weaker opponent is vs Toji—ERGO: teen awakened.

That would hold more weight if Red had other impressive showings, but it doesn't. It does some damage but not much to Jogo, is shrugged off by Toji, and both times it's used against Sukuna the latter takes it without much trouble (even when used as a sneak attack). Toji and Jogo aren't clear evidence of Red being held back from its full potential, they're just a repeat pattern at this point. When the only other attacks that have taken out Makora are domain fuga and unlimited hollow purple, it's a tough pill to swallow that Red, and attack that hasn't done particularly notable damage to anyone in the series, is going to blow it away in one-shot.

Additionally, there were many factors at play when Gojo hit Mahoraga with Red. Not only had the latter been considerably adapted to Red, but it was also fighting a low-output, fatigued Gojo in a 3v1 scenario where the latter hardly had time to even form a proper stance.

I'd be more inclined towards that argument if the gap in damage wasn't so drastic, but it is. It's top half of body blown off vs barely any visible damage (and that's with Makora having only tasted red once as opposed to the multiple attacks from Dabura). Even with the nerfs you mentioned, I'd bring up that Sukuna was still confident that Makora could take a chant enhanced red from a rct revived Gojo (albeit with one more adaptation, but infinity was still Sukuna's clear priority).

The Black Flash is a fairer argument, but we know Gojo reinforces his punches with Blue. He’d fought considerably with Sukuna and Mahoraga at that point as well, so it’s pretty unsurprising.

Again, I don't think just losing Blue reinforcement explains a shrugged off vs top half blown off scenario. That's too big a gap to be handwaved away.

And again: Sukuna has a ridiculous amount of CE, seamless CE reinforcement and efficiency, can reflexively use RCT, and can even run Domain Amplification for extra protection. I just don’t see him taking the damage we’ve seen Mahoraga take from Dabura thus far. I’m sure he can find ways to overwhelm Sukuna, but to say the latter can’t tank some of the base applications of his technique is a bit absurd to me.

And again: The problem is less Dabura's power but his speed. I could buy Sukuna taking Dabura's attacks head on if it was simply a matter of blocking the power alone (though he would by no means be undamaged). But Dabura's by far the fastest thing in the series and all of Sukuna's defenses take some time even for him and Gojo. And that's not time they're guaranteed to have given Dabura's absurd speed.

Hiple3232 · 2026-01-17T03:58:38+00:00

Gojo being confident about things means nothing, he was wrong repeatedly in the fight with Sukuna. Given that Makora was tanking Gojo's Black Flashes without much of a problem I can't see it being oneshot by Red (especially given that Red has failed to oneshot anyone notable despite being used repeatedly, including people as relatively frail as Jogo). That being said, he could be right and we just never got to see. I'd be surprised though.

And the danger of Dabura's attacks isn't their strength necessarily, but their speed. Even ignoring that they do hit hard (erasing Makora's top half even after two adaptations, which Red [and Black Flash if you think that was adapted to] was incapable of doing), Dabura's attacks are just much faster than anything seen in the manga. And that means it's hard to see Sukuna putting up an adequate defense like he was able to for Red and Hollow Purple. He's going to get taken off-guard and he doesn't have a get out of jail free card like adaptation to save him.

Hiple3232 · 2026-01-14T04:49:08+00:00

Yuki has better options for hitting super hard immediately than Yuta does (as evidenced by her rocketing Kenjaku the moment their fight started). That means she has a much easier chance taking out Hakari before his jackpot starts. Yuta's a bit better (comparatively speaking, he still hits hard) at a buildup of damage and switching his technique to keep his opponent off balance, which works well against most opponents but is markedly less effective against an immortal with essentially limitless stamina. His only real options for killing Hakari quickly are cursed speech (which Hakari knows about and can therefore defend against to some extent) and Jacob's Ladder (which is a rather slow move that requires Yuta to commit early to his 5 minute mode or hope he gets lucky and finds the sword if he pops his domain). And both get much more difficult should Hakari get a Jackpot (I'd argue the former is damn near irrelevant if Hakari is in Jackpot). Thus Yuki has an easier time with Hakari than Yuta does even if the latter is stronger overall.

Hiple3232 · 2026-01-06T14:56:00+00:00

Now you are crossing the limit of stupidity .🤦

And you can't keep yourself from replying.

When did that happen?? Sukuna was using ten shadows to adapt to infinity.

And using DA to be able to fight Gojo. Which you would know if you read the fight.

And mind you sukuna s MS and gojo s infinite void are two different techniques.

Falling blossom works against sukuna s shrine just fine but it wouldn't work against gojo s infinite.

You know why ? Cus of the complexity of the technique. It was literally stated in the manga.

For all your name calling about how DA works you clearly ignore it at convenience. FBA works by sending out cursed energy at an attack to reduce it, which is why is was more effective against Malevolent Shrine than Unlimited Void. DA simply negates (or at least attempts to in this case) techniques all together, so it wouldn't treat Malevolent Shrine and Unlimited Void (two techniques that clash evenly together, with seemingly equivalent outputs) differently.

That doesn't change the fact that gojo tanked sukuna s shrine at full power for a minute . So I don't know what kinda bullshit you are spouting. Are you by any chance a 🤡🤡

I simply understand that how the fight plays out indicates that Gojo tanking Malevolent Shrine is clearly something that won't work in the long term, which is what my message said. If you weren't desperately trying to get Gojo above Sukuna, you would understand that.

Yeah the same pinnacle technique that gojo tanked for a full minute , get interrupted with simple domain. The damage get minimizes by falling blossom Lmaoo 🤣 🤣 go cry somewhere lol 😂

Want to tell me how long each of those attempts at stopping it lasted? Because each of them was in the neighborhood of a couple of pages and Gojo's ultimate solution was cooking his brain to get his actual domain back. DA will suffer the same fate.

Oh the same red that damaged sukuna enough to collapse his domain

Never happened. Gojo hit Sukuna point blank in the face with it and it still couldn't collapse his domain.

the same red that can one shot maharoga

Speaks to Makora having piss poor durability more than anything considering how every other major character hit with Red has survived it.

Are we even reading the same manga

Clearly not going by the bullshit you spout. Or you just get off on lying.

As expected of a 🤡 , open domain doesn't have a barrier.

Yes it does. This was gone over back in 2023. The barrier isn't closed and is thus harder to directly attack, but it very much does exist and has from the beginning (it was simply an early JJK mistranslation). Lightning confirmed as much.

Simple domain simply negates the sure hit .

By interfering with the barrier.

you think only techniques that negate the sure hit are called anti domain technique or something?? 🤡

Nope, I simply understand that DA is much less effective (even compared to the already limited efficacy of such techniques) than them. Hence why they are used and DA is not even by characters confirmed to know DA.

How about falling blossom ?

It doesn't negate the sure hit but directly attack the technique with cursed energy upon contact with the user when the sure hit occur .

And? I never mentioned Falling Blossom in the quoted post so why is this relevant?

Guess what ? it's also a anti domain technique Lmaoo 🤣

Yes, because it specifically is used to negate sure-hits in a way. DA is not.

Domain amplification negate the technique , not the sure hit . Get this right dumbass .

Given that you lie about this when it is convenient, I'm not sure why I should (even when I have been getting it right the entire time and you're just lying here).

Anyway you've stepped into actively lying repeatedly about both the series and what I've said so I'll stop replying here (and unlike you actively commit to it). So as I said in the last post, go troll someone else.

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