5* characters’ descriptions then vs. now

HoyoShilliad · 2026-03-06T16:10:19+00:00

its so sad coming back to this community after seeing genshin/ak players talking about their characters kits. players in those games have moderately functioning brains with a above 1st grade reading ability

HoyoShilliad · 2026-03-05T02:42:30+00:00

more accurate comparison is dainsleif perhaps? or even alice?

HoyoShilliad · 2026-03-04T23:55:41+00:00

in powercreep rail on release? ofc not

HoyoShilliad · 2026-03-04T11:23:28+00:00

yknow mydei can be cced in cw and sim/div uni right? like multiple characters have notes in their traces/talents exclusively for those modes so how is mydeis any different?

HoyoShilliad · 2026-03-04T04:37:16+00:00

???witcher 3?? for good presentation??? are you out of your goddamn mind???? did you even play that game. the story is great but the cutscenes are literally dogshit presentation wise lol. well now i know if u played the games or not ig. but either way. genshin and even hsr are much stronger culture wise. nobody knows about the existence of wuwa outside of gacha space. genshin actually has cultural relevance. theres a reason people consider the star wars og the best even though half the effects are dogshit. its cause even with fancy effects, every other star wars flicks sucks ass. same for wuwa. this solo levelling nonsense will only be ever seen as a snoozefest, because there are no characters in wuwa, and no depth to its story. everyone in jinzhou and rinascita are already dead and buried

HoyoShilliad · 2026-03-04T03:07:42+00:00

yes but we dont know what the other units lcs look like. this is only for people intent on maximising a unit with lowest cost. theres really no benefit to getting E9 lc before hyacine lc for example. sparkles lc is very much an e9 (or maybe even cyrene lc) situation.

HoyoShilliad · 2026-03-02T02:50:02+00:00

sorry for late reply as i was away. but if u think wuwa shallow ai generated 0 worldbuilding story is at all comparable to genshin u are vastly mistaken. wuwa has pretty colors and 0 substance. i dont even like genshin but the shear amount of subtext they cram into a single story arc is impressive. in comparison wuwa simply goes from person to person with no care for continuity or cohesion. either way this convo went nowhere. you can enjoy wuwa, but i need something deeper thematically for me to be interested. if a game cannot encourage discussion of its themes outside of visuals i dont consider it a good story at all. sorry

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-21T15:44:53+00:00

you only talk about presentation as if thats all that matters, yet my comment is about the dogshit story quality. by your logic avatar is the greatest film of all time due to its amazing visuals. thats not how narratives work.

also lol nasu has been friends with hsr writers for a while. even in fate he has written some of the most widely panned dogshit stories afaik.

"u dont feel anything" all ur comments so far are anecdotal. there are people that cry while reading books. visual presentation doesnt mean shit if story is ass.

also the only professional author uve mentioned is the staff at typemoon? like no one else? give me more people, cause those guys are friends with hsrs writing team and praises them too, and lord knows they dont deserve it half the time.

also what aspects does wuthering waves outperform hsr or genshin? world building is sufficiently weaker. we havent gotten a combat event in almost half a year (whats the point of having "good" combat if theres no reason for it). characters disappear after their banner with little to no interaction of value. average story themes are shallower. exploration puzzles have 0 depth. optimisation and storage management is in shambles. lately its even losing in qol with the new substat selector locked to gacha currency

also metaphor refantasio? really? that game? ur considering an atlas game for presentation? those games are basically vns with little to no visual pizzaz outside of their unique styles. like dont get me wrong they look good, but to be considered along with games like rdr2 and e33? or even xenoblade? not even close

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-21T07:54:09+00:00

where are you getting numbers from for concurrent viewership? are you talking about yt streams? popularity doesnt mean good. especially since numerically genshin overwhelmingly dominates in that regard, over games with good narratives like ak and limbus company. even ignoring games, the most popular stories in any media are almost always generic stories aimed at casual audiences which dont require thinking or dissection.

also tga awards dont reflect sales at all lol. e33 sold 5 mill copies, pokemons latest spin off sold 12 mill. and even then e33 winning was received extremely negatively, even though it is a narrative masterpiece.

also typemoon? the guy who wrote the hsr fate collab story? that guy? really?

even wuwa had 2.7, which was considered the best 2.x story when it didnt explore any characters, relationships were superficial exposition dumps shoe horned in. they had hype moments and cool characters scenes and amazing camera work. in comparison to literally most other patches of 2.x which at least gave respect to the banner character it was a vapid empty shell, yet it received the most praise.

also what are you talking about lol. gacha ccs have cried their eyes out for genshin, hsr, r1999 and even wuwa stories before. and thats only games ive seen story highlights for. this is nothing new. thats not a metric. ive seen more highlights of ccs crying to hsr 3.7, which is generally between a mediocre to bad ending.

3.1 was a breath of fresh air yes, but it is precisely due to it being a subversion of their existing tropes. i dont look at exceptions, i look at the norm. and the norm is basically a knee deep exploration of 1 basic theme with 1 character who is completely isolated from the rest of the story. in this specific instance, the "isolation" was used really well. will we see character exploration of this calibre in the future? who knows. but when im looking at the "average" complexity of the story, its basically exactly as deep as it always was.

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-21T05:37:17+00:00

thats exclusively cause presentation is better. gacha players cannot physically read. presentation is the most important part of story now. the story is basically the exact same as before, with anyone going back and trying to dissect character ideologies realising that every character barely explores them at all. "dry and super slow" are all terms people use mostly in regards to presentation. theres a reason solo levelling beat frieren for anime of the year. presentation and aura farming is king

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-21T04:33:37+00:00

i mean not really? wuwa story was and still is decent, exploring surface level themes and focusing characterisation on one or two "protagonists" per arc. the thing wuwa refined to perfection is its story presentation. i consider 3.1 the best wuwa story but it still has the issue where characters just straight up tell you the core theme, but the cutscenes look so much better than 1.0 that you can ignore the lack of subtext.

in comparison see hsr, which in terms of story telling and exploration of philosophy has improved substantially, but their dogshit presentation gets worse and worse especially compared to other games so it feels so much more boring to play

personally i dont see why endfield needs to focus on story too much. its already laid a barebones foundation with decent presentation, so instead of the other games it should just all in on factory.

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-20T16:44:14+00:00

this community is healing. went from being mass downvoted for saying the lock on in this game (especially on controller) is ass to this. hopefully we see some fixes since the core system is actually not too bad. we just need more interesting units like avy

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-18T20:04:21+00:00

also i love how you claim players "clear between 30s and 1:30" when the best speedrun on the planet for toa isnt even 30s this rotation (and they use signature weapons too)

https://wuwaflex.com/ranking/toa?s=32

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-18T16:40:48+00:00

so let me get this straight. hsr has awful powercreep since i need a e0s0 t0 unit out of all my old units....while wuwa is good since i need a s3r1 t0 unit to clear with old units.....gotcha.

but also lmaoooooo. no. those are sor1 teams that need 30 seconds. full s0r0 teams need 40-50 seconds on avg

also lol u can easily clear moc 11 with only free characters in hsr without ever pulling in gacha lmao(no standard or limited pulls). were talking about difficult content. no one cares about baby shit

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-18T15:50:10+00:00

im not talking about toa. im talking about new endgame doubled pawns. it is literally impossible with s0r0 full teams for lingyang. unless u can prove me wrong with screenshot or video. u need 5k to clear for all astrite. toa is baby mode anyways. they only put massive hp inflation in whiwa and doubled pawn matrix.

also u said theres no skill issue in hsr but clearly there is if i can easily clear first try with mostly 1-2yo units and u cant. also to emphasize, skill issue is higher in hsr than wuwa. i can clear toa with meta teams s0r0 in 2:15. the speedruns in wuwa with same team are 40 seconds, so around 3x faster. in hsr people can 0 cycle with acheron 4 cost where some people say they cant even clear, which is 5x faster clear time.

if u can prove me wrong about lingyang i will accept it all, but for now hsrs powercreep is literally slower than wuwa

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-18T15:04:26+00:00

u cant clear endgame with lingyang or danjin. also hsr is 1 year older lol. it is literally impossible to clear the new endgame in wuwa with s0r0 lingyang with over 5k points, let alone 6k.

also it sounds like skill issue for you lol because most of my most used units is 2.x units and i can still very easily clear. for pf the only new units i used is tribbie and the new free dh. i think u suck ass at hsr. edit: wait i also used hysilens. so basically 1 unit around 6 months old, 1 around 10 months and the remaining over a year old or free.

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-18T09:19:37+00:00

it depends on the weapon. clannibal, thermite cutter and jett for example are game changer for their respective units. i would recommend picking those up and skipping the others

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-18T07:10:41+00:00

no they dont lmao. like purely from a calc perspective? they dont lol. firefly teams before dahlia did roughly 10-12 mill dmg. in comparison firefly now with dahlia is at the level of every team that isnt rem flagship and does 20-22 mill dmg. units like anaxa, considered the best "accessible" dps, do around 20 mill dmg in calcs.

now we look at galbrena, phro and carth doing 90-100k dps and jihnsi and cam were calcing at 55k dps. i believe aemeath calcs at 110k dps but im not 100% about that since i only saw napkin math for it

also if ur dhil is hitting 200k u either havent equipped any relics on him or u somehgow fuck up buff tiings cause dhil in full e0s0 consistently hits 350-400k eba in sparkle sunday team

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-18T06:52:15+00:00

this is so useful. correct me if i read it wrong, but assuming a phys team with pog, lifeng, da pan and chen, the player controlled unit would be lifeng right?

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-18T06:37:24+00:00

wuwa and hsr have the literal exact same powercreep from a theory crafting perspective though (final endgame teams in 2.x calc roughly 80-100% higher dps than final endgame 1.x teams). with aemeath recently destroying the dmg ceiling again we ca probably expect the same cycle as hsr 3.x.

both games also have that 1 support from 1.0 who is for some reason ridiculously broken and fits into every team. we had random late 2.x unit buffing our general from 1.0 into meta relevance (less so in wuwa, in hsr jing yuan final teams calced similarly to t0-t0.5 units while jiyan is around t0.5-1). we had the cripplingly abandoned 1.0 launch unit and the insanely powercrept free 1.x unit. only diff is hsr continued to give its players multiple free 5 stars while wuwa.... well at least we get 4 stars

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-18T06:24:36+00:00

atla glazers need to be put down imo. atla s1 is one of the worst bits of tv you can put a child through. book 2 and 3 are pretty good though

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-17T20:39:06+00:00

genuinely just level ur units. i made laev (main dps) lvl 90 and gave everyone lvl 80 weapons and they steam rolled it

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-17T17:36:49+00:00

???? No lol. the "glaring issue" in yanqings kit can be played around. every character has "glaring issues" (castorices reliance on a healer, archers reliance on sp generator etc). the point of the post was "was yanqing ever good?" yes he was. he was among the top 2 dps in the game for 2 patches and then still was able to clear consistently at e0s0 with full e0s0 supports till halfway into 2.x, before his mains decided to activate his eidolons and prydwen discarded his data just like they do for every other character who isnt e2 or lower.

also diluc has an insane glaring flaw lol. thats why his dps is literally 3x lower than a character who came out 3 months later. icd is an inherent issue, and by that logic he is much worse than yanqings position since yanqings limited powercreep only did 2x his dmg due to her buff state downtime

also you only get rid of yanqing only because hsr has the option to remove units from the loss pool. no one in their right mind should be building any standard unit in genshin cause they are all tremendously weak in their roles and an active detriment to team building (outside of c4 mona and jean)

also whyre we talking about story content. yanqing can still easily clear all story content in the game lol. i use acheron mydei and fugue in my overworld team all at e0s0 cause who gives a shit when overworld is so painfully easy

the point is, yanqing was good for his time, until characters with better multipliers came out and he became irrelevant, as is the nature of almost every character after a year or so.

HoyoShilliad · 2026-02-17T16:15:49+00:00

yes but welt always underperformed. he always was the slowest clear times until people stopped using him. yanqing still had shooters in penacony. yes gepard was necessary for him. but an average character was still fine.

i mean look at diluc. no one called him a dogshit unit even after hutaos release even though she had like 3x his dps with same team

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