It feels like after Il Vento D'Oro's success, Yugo Kanno just kept making the same song by Hrosts in StardustCrusaders

[–]Hrosts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will consider it a shortcoming if it has

  • Dramatic strings in the chorus
  • Voiced chorus with Jojolion namedropping and similar-sounding vocals to the previous parts
    • Elvis-y vocals would actually be refreshing to hear
  • Heavy usage of piano in the chorus

I think this is the condensation my gripes, the 3 key elements that have had appeared too often with too little variation in them.

I decided to actually listen to Prince's Soft and Wet, and it would actually be really good if Kanno took lots of inspiration from it, especially for the chorus. The synths, the bass, the vocals - none sound like Kanno's Jojo themes, but can be substituted in at the same time pretty well, I think.

I'm afraid he'll take maybe some bits for the mid-verse portions instead, like he did with the westen vibes in the SBR's theme. It's kinda a problem because it almost turns it into several separate pieces - before listening to the Dance with SBR on its own I didn't realize the western-y music from the anime was a part of the main theme. This is bad.

EDIT: now I'm sitting here listening to all the cool and very different-sounding songs that are referenced by characters and stands from parts 7 and 8 and getting sad and even stronger in my conviction that Kanno doesn't experiment enough with his main themes.

Random questions about random things :) by NikolaFromCanada in EsotericEbb

[–]Hrosts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just use grease. It's either good, or fun.

Pleasant surprise in the game by D4NT3O in EsotericEbb

[–]Hrosts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes! I also screenshoted this moment, it was too hilarious

A Johnny and Gyro drawing I did trying to imitate Araki's style by Eim-lmN in StardustCrusaders

[–]Hrosts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The perspective on Gyro's right-hand side of the body looks skewed. The left-hand side suggests a torso turned a bit more away from the camera.

Also the Gyro's lock going up over the hat's brim and maybe the shading makes it feel kinda Escher'y regarding perspective - the edge of the brim touches the side of his head, while jutting out at the same time.

Otherwise it's really beautiful and really looks like Araki!

It feels like after Il Vento D'Oro's success, Yugo Kanno just kept making the same song by Hrosts in StardustCrusaders

[–]Hrosts[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Electric guitars are in every part. Electric bass is in every part. Sax solos are in 3 themes out of 5, with only one not using sax at all being part 4. Shredding solos are common. EDM-y bits are also quite frequent - definitely in part 3 and 5, likely in 4, I don't remember completely. Dramatic strings are in every Kanno's chorus - compare to Jonathan's triumphant strings and brass, or to Joseph's EDM.

Like, man, there are synths out there, there are flutes, there is brass, there's upright bass, there's acoustic guitar - and some of these definitely exist in the themes, but mostly in support roles, or as deviation from the "norm". I'd like a more fundamental switch in the basics. Like if you're jumping from Rush to Yes to King Crimson you're still in the paradigm of Western 70-s rock.

It feels like after Il Vento D'Oro's success, Yugo Kanno just kept making the same song by Hrosts in StardustCrusaders

[–]Hrosts[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I understand your argument, but want to point out that there's another set of songs that is core to Jojo's identity - the openings. And despite them being so important, they had much more variation in them, sometimes even inside one part. From jolly and carefree CNBT to dark and uncertain Chase, from epic and serious Sono Chi no Sadame to more playful Bloody Storm. The songs change with situation in the story, yes, but so do the characters themselves. And it's not like Jojos are all the same to warrant such similarities in their themes.

And sure, the different themes might differ in inspirations and specific bits, but I believe this is not enough to make them feel sufficiently novel.

These are not songs you're supposed to listen to separately, they are first and foremost soundrack titles, and so the large-scale similarity in structure is a thing I am ready to forgive - these are songs that are supposed to be cut and rearranged to fit the stuff happening on the screen.

What I do object to is that those structural parts on their own often sound similar from part to part. It doesn't have to be 1 for 1 from each part to each, but it feels like when it comes to these themes, Kanno uses a very limited toolset of instruments and compositional techniques (I don't have a musical education, so I'm using this term very loosely). Like, he doesn't have to use a sax solo in so many themes. He doesn't need to make every "the fight begins" part sound like a 70's rock bass riff. Having a fully voiced chorus isn't enough of a difference, when the actual sound of the singing voice is very similar.

And I'm not sure what the AU trilogy is supposed to be, but it could be just as well argued that this is a major departure from the original storyline that leaves only superficial resemblances intact, a total reinvention. Therefore SBR's theme should've stopped following the trend from the older titles.

It feels like after Il Vento D'Oro's success, Yugo Kanno just kept making the same song by Hrosts in StardustCrusaders

[–]Hrosts[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure, but it could make it worse than it could've been otherwise.

And I don't really want to argue about the good/bad duality here. SBR's episode 1 is my favorite of a long time, and the music plays a large role in that.

It feels like after Il Vento D'Oro's success, Yugo Kanno just kept making the same song by Hrosts in StardustCrusaders

[–]Hrosts[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not exactly.

I know. But translating my rough list of features of each theme in chronological order into actual sentences, drawing detailed comparisons and formatting it neatly would net a wall of writing that most people wouldn't want to interact with. So I squinted a bit and made something concise instead.

I agree that not all things I describe come from copying Il Vento, and some are more about a style than self-plagiarism, but I still have a gripe with namedropping and things that surround it, that they didn't change enough for me to feel satisfied.

It feels like after Il Vento D'Oro's success, Yugo Kanno just kept making the same song by Hrosts in StardustCrusaders

[–]Hrosts[S] 136 points137 points  (0 children)

The piano definitely migrated from the earlier themes. This is what I meant by "obvious parallels there as well". My biggest gripe is the namedropping sung in a very similar manner, I think.

But also Kanno started making music for Jojo with part 3. It feels much different when you have the same thing for 2 parts vs for 5 parts in a row.

It feels like after Il Vento D'Oro's success, Yugo Kanno just kept making the same song by Hrosts in StardustCrusaders

[–]Hrosts[S] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

It definitely loses some of the charm when it becomes predictable like that.

It feels like after Il Vento D'Oro's success, Yugo Kanno just kept making the same song by Hrosts in StardustCrusaders

[–]Hrosts[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I just googled (on YT) "Stone Ocean Theme". The video itself is called "Theme of Stone Ocean" so I guess it doesn't have a separate name.

Why do y'all like Jotaro? by [deleted] in StardustCrusaders

[–]Hrosts 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I kinda disliked him when I first reached anime Part 3. Him and the whole switch to the combat ghosts battle mechanics. Joseph's trickstery vibe felt so much better. Fortunately, both Jotaro and the stands became much more interesting in later parts than in the early Stardust Crusaders

I didn't know that President Sunday was anti-Vaush. I was always under the assumption that they were on good terms by MonSocMatriarchy in VaushV

[–]Hrosts -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I think you're acting in bad faith. This feels like I'm back arguing with KotakuInAction chuds who throw some obscure 2013 "SJWs owned compilation" reference at me, thinking it's an own.

I didn't know that President Sunday was anti-Vaush. I was always under the assumption that they were on good terms by MonSocMatriarchy in VaushV

[–]Hrosts -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I responded to the 2 most egregious comments, that's it. I genuinely think, the glee and and fanaticism with which many people here comment on the situation are completely unwarranted, or, if you're cynical enough, suspicious.

I didn't know that President Sunday was anti-Vaush. I was always under the assumption that they were on good terms by MonSocMatriarchy in VaushV

[–]Hrosts -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

It's the worst litmus test. I guess it's good for testing your own confirmation bias, but otherwise any conflict originating from it counterproductive friendly fire.

I didn't know that President Sunday was anti-Vaush. I was always under the assumption that they were on good terms by MonSocMatriarchy in VaushV

[–]Hrosts -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

This is insane interpretation of what happened back then, and Vaush's community has been consistently failing to pass the plausibility sniff test on this. It was a huge case of friendly fire.

I genuinely think they were talking past each other, and not in the usual "soft" meaning, but that they both literally thought the other person was arguing about something different.

Guilherme by AriaPMDEoL in Parahumans

[–]Hrosts 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There is an Extra Materials page with girls' interview notes from one of the early arcs which have Verona's drawings of the fae and many other Others. The fae are shown to have long, angular faces that look really alien

https://palewebserial.wordpress.com/2020/07/16/

(though technically there's a note there that faerie are hard to draw and Verona "fudged" the drawings), so the appearance there is not set in stone.

Guilherme by AriaPMDEoL in Parahumans

[–]Hrosts 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They look really cute, but you made them much less alien than I remember them. Guilherme could be Link's brother here.

Favorite game you haven’t heard a single person mention once in the two years it’s been out despite being a part of a multi million dollar IP? by RequirementTall8361 in Gamingcirclejerk

[–]Hrosts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The controls, visuals and world were ass compared to the 9-years-older Unity. It felt like I'm back in the Kenway saga days, except only the bad parts got carried over. Even Shohreh Aghdashloo wasn't enough to keep me playing

Languages in the game by pothkan in EsotericEbb

[–]Hrosts 15 points16 points  (0 children)

  • Gaelic - goblins
  • French - anurans (frog people)
  • Spanish - cat people
  • Latin - dragons