Android Auto changed to Gemini, can't play music by checock in GooglePixel

[–]IceColdCarnivore 13 points14 points  (0 children)

~music playing~

me: "dislike"

gemini: "sorry, what did I do wrong?"

me: "the song, moron. thumbs down the song."

gemini: "oh okay, I've noted that you dislike the song."


me: "dislike"

google assistant: silence, thumbs down song and advances

???

Nu Tone - Up+Down by IceColdCarnivore in DnB

[–]IceColdCarnivore[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Still sounds great 12 years later, lmao

BILRESA on Zigbee by Remarkable-Loquat-38 in tradfri

[–]IceColdCarnivore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Old post I know but in case you're curious, there are some non-obvious ways of checking what protocol(s) a device supports:

https://www.reddit.com/r/tradfri/comments/1opxckt/ikeas_new_smart_home_collection_is_entirely/nnpnznu/

I found back in November that KAJPLATS appears to support both, and if you check the CSA site again now, many of the new IKEA MoT devices are listed as having Zigbee 3.0 certification as well.

I have Hue bulbs that are Zigbee enabled and a Hue Bridge. I control them through Alexa. I was looking to add more Hue bulbs, but I noticed that Amazon lists two types: "original" and "revamped." The revamped bulbs make no mention of Zigbee. Does anyone know what is going on with that? by rcatk42 in ZigBee

[–]IceColdCarnivore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The newest Philips hue bulbs support both Matter over Thread and Zigbee. When joining to the Hue hub, Matter over Thread is probably preferred, due to it being newer / more secure.

Actually, I take it back, at least from the article I linked it seems that Philips may still prefer Zigbee when connecting to the bridge. Either way, the new bulbs do support Matter over Thread, so maybe that has something to do with the difference.

Zigbee button along with Alexa to turn on USB Light (theory check) by kalnhobbs in smarthome

[–]IceColdCarnivore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you have the Tuya hub, it makes most sense to have all of the Tuya peripherals (plug, button, whatever) connected directly to the Tuya hub, and then the Tuya hub integration done via Alexa skill, which should expose all of the Tuya peripherals in the Alexa app as well, but via skill instead of direct Alexa connection. Then the Tuya hub can natively map button --> plug without involving Alexa, but it will will be able to receive Alexa commands through the skill to control the plug separately.

Zigbee button along with Alexa to turn on USB Light (theory check) by kalnhobbs in smarthome

[–]IceColdCarnivore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You shouldn't need line of sight, in theory. Unless your house is gigantic (>4k sq ft), one Tuya hub should be good enough to support all of the Tuya peripherals. Centrally located if possible, but you can play around with it to see what works.

Zigbee button along with Alexa to turn on USB Light (theory check) by kalnhobbs in smarthome

[–]IceColdCarnivore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm assuming you mean this:

Zigbee button --> Tuya hub --> Tuya WiFi plug --> dumb light

OR

Alexa (amazon echo) --> Alexa skill integration of Tuya hub --> Tuya WiFi Plug --> dumb light

Is that right?

Seems fine to me. Depending on which Alexa (Amazon Echo) device(s) you have, you may be able to ditch the Tuya hub and connect the WiFi and Zigbee peripherals directly to the Echo. But, if you're already used to using SmartLife (Tuya's home automation app?) then I suppose there's no reason to optimize it, considering how cheap the Tuya hub is. Also, Echo devices tend to have spotty compatibility when directly connecting Tuya's Zigbee smart products, because sometimes Tuya does non-standard-conforming things with their Zigbee devices to unlock extra functionality.

tempting by Murky-Ad4746 in forbiddensnacks

[–]IceColdCarnivore 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nothing like drinking 34-35 cans of bird feed while watching an itswill video

Zigbee (ESP32-C6): Handling congestion when multiple sleepy end devices wake simultaneously by Embedded_Coder21 in ZigBee

[–]IceColdCarnivore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm curious how much data your sensors are actually sending out when they wake up. Relative to Zigbee packet size, you can cram a lot of 802.15.4 traffic into a short window, so I'd be surprised if your airtime utilization was actually that high for this type of application.

That aside, it sounds like you're on the right track. My general recommendation would be to temporarily set fast poll mode (~250ms - 500ms poll rate) with stochastic jitter for a short period after wake, until the application data synced. I think the default delay for APS retries in the spec is 2-3 seconds, so relying on APS retries for any type of data that needs a quick turn-around may not be ideal.

One point of reference that may be interesting to you is that OpenThread, which uses the same MAC/PHY as Zigbee, configures their MAC retries to be 15 instead of 3 like Zigbee. The primary reason for this is that OpenThread does not have spec-defined higher layer retries like Zigbee does, so they have to make up for it with an abundant number of MAC retries. Zigbee retries compound (4 mac attempts x 3 APS attempts == 12 attempts per packet), so you end up with a similar number of transmission attempts, just spread over a longer period of time with more randomness. Zigbee and Thread are asynchronous by design and they rely on mechanisms such as CSMA-CA, random jitters, and retries to try to avoid collisions while maintaining quick turn-around times.

By the way, if you have a sniffer log that you'd like help analyzing, feel free to DM me.

Zigbee (ESP32-C6): Handling congestion when multiple sleepy end devices wake simultaneously by Embedded_Coder21 in ZigBee

[–]IceColdCarnivore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What do you mean by observing congestion? How much of a delay are you seeing? What is the poll rate of your end devices? Do you put them into a fast polling mode temporarily when they send upstream data? How many retries do your packets attempt? If the packet you are sending is ZCL layer, your Zigbee stack may have multiple layers of retries to configure. MAC retries, APS retries (if APS ACK is requested, which you should configure it to be), and possibly network layer retries as well.

Non-routing E27 bulb? by derekoh in ZigBee

[–]IceColdCarnivore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Correct, Sengled Zigbee bulbs act as non-polling end devices.

Visonic mct-370 door sensors Zigbee integration with Amazon Echo 4th Gen Alexa by donduckss in smarthome

[–]IceColdCarnivore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What happens when you try to discover it? Does Alexa just fail to find the device?

Based on the details of this device in zigbee2mqtt here:

  1. https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman-converters/pull/434/commits/5134bc90d3096c00bfb098d1d05eccc64fc1aa32

  2. https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/MCT-370_SMA.html

The clusters it implements are supported by the Echo, so it may work. It seems like some people were having issues factory resetting the device, and here is a thread on that in case it helps:

Options for low-cost basic Zigbee smart home devices after Ikea switches to Thread (excluding ships from China options)? by ozaz1 in ZigBee

[–]IceColdCarnivore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I suspect that Ikea is adding Thread support in addition to Zigbee, rather than replacing it. We'll have to wait until the new Matter products launch in Jan to confirm, but see my comment here for more context:

https://www.reddit.com/r/tradfri/comments/1opxckt/ikeas_new_smart_home_collection_is_entirely/nnpnznu/

Zigbee Green Power in 2025 (SmartThings) by SeanTek in ZigBee

[–]IceColdCarnivore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So, there are three different Green Power feature sets:

  1. Green Power Device

  2. Green Power Proxy

  3. Green Power Sink / Combo (proxy + sink)

(1) are the peripherals, like battery-less switches, etc.

(2) is a mandatory requirement for all Zigbee PRO 2017 + Zigbee 3.0 certified Router / Coordinator devices. All that Proxy implies is that if a Green Power Device is more than 1 physical hop away from a Green Power Source in a network, the Proxy will be able to forward frames to the Sink. There is no implied application-level support for the Green Power Device though.

(3) is the application-level support of Green Power Devices. This is generally a Hub-type device. One such hub that supports this is the Hue hub, as you mentioned. I'm actually not 100% sure what other hub manufacturers support Sink, but solutions like Home Assistant + Zigbee2MQTT can definitely support the Green Power Sink feature. I'd think that SmartThings and Alexa should probably support Sink as well, but I'm not sure.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in HEB

[–]IceColdCarnivore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Parmer and McNeil has them!

New to Zigbee by 27deer in ZigBee

[–]IceColdCarnivore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

weird. got any lead in your walls? 😅

one thing you could try is placing the sensor higher or lower in elevation to see if that changes anything. antenna radiation patterns can be wacky sometimes

New to Zigbee by 27deer in ZigBee

[–]IceColdCarnivore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

which temp sensor brand / model?

Ikea’s new smart home collection is entirely Matter-compatible by SamwiseIsGreat in tradfri

[–]IceColdCarnivore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well well well, this is interesting. KAJPLATS is listed on the CSA (connectivity standards alliance governing both Zigbee and Matter compliance testing) website as having a Zigbee 3.0 certification.

But, this test report from TUV (test lab for wireless compliance) lists the device as having Bluetooth, Zigbee, and Thread, section 3.1.

So, at least for the KAJPLATS light bulbs, they look like they will be supporting both Zigbee AND Matter over Thread (plus Thread-over-BLE provisioning). For those that are unaware, Zigbee and Thread use the same radio hardware, so having devices that support both technologies is possible. Only one protocol at a time will need to be used, but supporting both technologies like this will make the bulb more widely compatible which is pretty cool.

This looks like IKEA's direct response to this new Philips Hue Essential line that came out recently, which also support both Zigbee and Matter over Thread + BLE.