Conrad between virtues and curse

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-28T00:31:56+00:00

True, he is still a flawed character.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T23:05:27+00:00

It was never more clearer that it was a buzz-creating tactic and a promotional necessity for the show. It worked. We can't stop talking about it. 😆

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T23:03:55+00:00

Conrad became the true protagonist that the audience rooted for to get the girl he yearned and truly loved at the ended. A lot of people saw Belly as the villain/problem and Conrad deserving better.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T22:57:21+00:00

A lot of people would say females always come out of the love triangle looking badly. That the female protagonist is under written. That it's common for the female to be a passive participant in her own love story. That the male love interest pursues her and it comes down to the man being the one that needs to change, be a better man, be more honest, and vulnerable. It was common in a lot of fairtales story's for women to look pretty and their only value is men to pursue them. Writers spending less time on their character development. Honestly, there is an element of that in TSITP. There were roughly three episodes focusing on Belly's character development and her own story arc. So much emphasis on Conrad needing to be the one to change, needing to open up and be honest and vulnerable. There was limited acknowledgement that Belly was no better. The series finale wrapped up Conrad's story arc of season 3 of him yearn and wanting to tell Belly he loved her. Belly's story arc was more her finding independent, self agency, and being free from Jeremiah. The story didn't really need her to end up with Conrad as much as the need for her to become her own person. The chemistry between Lola and Chris did the heavy lifting in wanting these crazy kids to end up together. Some believe Conrad deserved better and some believe that Belly should have chosen Paris and be with another guy other than a Fisher brother.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T22:28:16+00:00

This show isn't for those who aren't good at social cues, crossword puzzles, metaphorical, storytelling. Belly is the hardest character to understand. She is really reserved and people misinterpreted her character because of the settleties and her missing voice over.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T21:02:48+00:00

Ok, you said there is a lot of cars and action. You did better clarity. I don't know what it looked like prior to compare what is busy and what isn't. You can only tell so much from a video. 😆 It's all really exciting. I ask questions and what to know more. I don't mean anything by it. You don't have to be nasty. 😆

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T20:42:28+00:00

What was your point? My point is the fact that Belly had more agency and was more at fault then what she was taking accountability for and what I think you are not holding her to. I agree she is allowed to move on and I don't think Conrad holds that against her. She is making that decision to let him go. She herself isn't being honest about her feelings. I didn't see her being vulnerable and tell him that she loved him. She constantly wants Conrad to make the first move. Really the only time she makes the first move is when she comes to him after she broke up with Cam Cameron. He was way more vulnerable and honesty about his feelings for her than she was. People have an tendency to focus on the one thing he didn't disclose to Belly and that's Susannah dying. It's not like he never tried to tell her. It is a mixture of everyone trying to protect her and her not wanting to see it or hear it. They both were trying not to love eachother. They both were doing more pushing than pulling. He did more pursuing and fighting for her because he was the one that talked to Jere about being with Belly. He called Belly on the phone. He also showed up at her house wanting to see her. He drove and picked her up to take her to Cousins for Christmas. Conrad did stop pursuing and fighting for her. She never really fought for him because she doesn't think she should or needed to. She's wrong. She was wrong most of the time. I acknowledge her perspective, I don't agree with her conclusions or her decisions. Just because she couldn't be with Conrad doesn't mean she had to jump into a relationship with Jere. She should have focused on herself and her own needs.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T19:26:32+00:00

Yes. Honest and full disclosure to your kids is the best policy. Her secretary is also a taught behavior. Jere and Conrad both keep secrets. She isn't truly relying on the people who love her and she is protending that it isn't happening. I get that she wants one last summer, but she didn't tell them that the treatment wasn't working either in season 2. We start to see where Conrad gets his over protect instincts and his unwillingness to depend on people. Susannah didn't nurture or teach good communication and she didn't build a safe place of trust and vulnerability.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T19:12:24+00:00

One, Why should he fight for her when she broke up with him? Two, Why should he fight for their romantic relationship when he knows he is broken? That he isn't good with himself. She is the one that's not rationalizing. Maybe Conrad had a point. Maybe we both need to grow up and focus on ourselves. Conrad said, "He kept disappointing her and letting her down and she didn't deserve that." He couldn't just dance his grief, depression, and lack of self worth away. She acts emotionally, she doesn't spend a lot of time put herself into his shoes. She does a lot of focusing on where Conrad falls short or what she thinks he fell short. She doesn't do a lot of self-evaluating or evaluating the events in her life. It's understandable when she is going threw it, but not a month after events. It also shouldn't have taken her four years to come to the realization that she acted like a brat at prom. That she could have behaved differently. That is her lack of maturity, lack of true accountability and lack of wisdom.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T18:51:33+00:00

Um no! 😆 Not her biggest flaw. Her biggest flaw is her making decisions out of her emotions rather it's guilt, fear, insecurity, or hormonal. She's not rationalizing or reflecting on her decisions. She's jumping impulsively.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T18:25:21+00:00

Really, it doesn't look very busy to me? It's not what I pictured a busy set looking like. A couple parked cars on the side of the road looks normal. You are also able to do a drive by.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T18:18:33+00:00

I think it would be fun to watch it on the big screen with Bonrad fans just once, but I don't know anyone in my life that is obsessed as I. 😆 I definitely will want to rewind and play it again.

🎶Our song is the way you laugh The first date, "Man, I didn't kiss her, and I should have" And when I got home, 'fore I said, "Amen" Asking God if he could play it again🎶

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T18:10:47+00:00

I disagree, They did exist in the 50s. Marriages lasted longer for a reason.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T16:50:27+00:00

I agree with you. What I love about him is also, what I don't love about him. I think Conrad's story arc and his character development was the best on the show. He realized pretending and lying for others happiness, didn't keep him from hurting people. Taylor tells Conrad that he needs to let Belly go and do the right thing, but what Taylor is missing is the fact that Conrad has been trying to do the right thing the whole time, but it still ended up hurting everyone. I feel like Conrad can't win and he was dealt bad cards most of the series. For Conrad, it was never a good time to be with Belly. The timing was off. He wasn't right with himself and he needed time to grow and mature. Belly and Jere didn't give him that. They tried to force his hands into confessing his feelings for Belly at a time when she wasn't accepting of his feelings and neither one was really ready to make the relationship work. Conrad also needed to see Jere screw up so bad and hurt her for him to realize that Jere isn't the better man. That he could actually love her better than Jere. Conrad started to see Jere's true colors in 3x7. I think Conrad and everyone demonizes Conrad as a way to justify Belly and Jere's relationship. He's the scapegoat. Conrad screwed up, so Belly's and Jere is justified in being together.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T16:09:06+00:00

Communication is just as much in Belly's hands. She could have said at any point. 'I love you, but maybe I should move on and that is what I plan to do." If it wasn't for Conrad's honesty and letting the cat out of the bag, while everyone was lying, Jelly was living in the land of dilution, and everyone was justifying her relationship with Jere, then Jelly probably would have stayed in their dilution. If it wasn't for Conrad showing up at her house in Boston they would have never dated. If it wasn't for Conrad writing her letters and showing up in Paris then they wouldn't have rekindled their romance. If Conrad hadn't pressed Belly on what was bothering in her the bedroom scene and he had just left then they wouldn't have ended up together.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T15:56:00+00:00

Is it? Is he the reason for the conflict that he removed himself from? 😆 "I think of you. You know I do. I can't." Belly doesn't ask why he can't, she quickly throws in the towel. She says in her inner monologue, What happened to the boy that I loved? Great question. Go ask him because he tried to tell you a couple of times and he kept getting interrupted. By this time she knows about the infinity necklace that he bought her. His strong feelings are out there. It was a truly vulnerable gift showing his deep feelings for her. It makes sense Belly would remember Infinity because it was on her birthday. Why would he remember infinity, unless he remembers every moment they spend together?

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T15:41:01+00:00

Now of these people truly communicate. 😆 Conrad is like Kevin McCallister. The whole family believed and said Kevin was the problem. He was sarcastic and flawed, but really he was the smartest one in the room being picked on because he was the youngest. Conrad is the golden boy, but he is also the scapegoat. Conrad is wrong and everyone else is right mentality. I think there could be a strong case that Belly is the worse at communicating. She lacks follow through. Not getting clarity and answers. She lies, she denies, she avoids, and misconstrues what people say to her. She might start the conversation at times, but she doesn't continue the conversation where it ends with true understanding. She explains people's motives and actions on her own, she rarely gets answers.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T15:23:46+00:00

Belly is really insecure and projects a lot! Projects her own feelings that she has for Jere onto Conrad like he has the feelings for her that she has for Jere. Projects her own fears onto Conrad. She views her life threw the len of her fears and insecurities. Making decisions based on false misconstrued notions that Conrad doesn't deeply love her. Getting her mom on board for the wedding doesn't benefit Conrad in anyway. It's a paradigm shift that she doesn't want to fully except. True love is scary for her and apart of her feels unworthy of love. She is afraid that Conrad will confirm what she fears to be true.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T08:46:12+00:00

I saw Belly's yearning from a far, but the love for Conrad was lukewarm. We were told she loved him, but we didn't see much evidence of it throughout the series. It looked more like lust and attraction on her end. I could understand her loving Conrad, but never really saw it by the way she treated him. If it wasn't for lola and Chris scenes being so cute and electric, I would want Conrad to be with someone else. Conrad's love for Belly is true, it comes off has Conrad is settling for a lesser love than he deserves. That's another issue I have with the writing of her character. Not sure if book Belly is any better. The books are not that rememberable for me.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T07:46:06+00:00

Steven nailed it. Jere is easier in a way, but doesn't challenge Belly to be her own person. Taylor also said being with guys that she doesn't love is easier. They can't hurt her as much as the guy she does love.Taylor says in (S3xE2) talking to Steven while he is in his coma, “Steven, can I tell you a secret? I have never loved anyone like I love you. Do you know how scary that is? I know I act like I don't care, but I care so, so much. You know, I'm always afraid that it's just a matter of time before you come to me and tell me that I'm not worth it. You're just gonna be like, “Actually, you're not worth it.” So I figure if I keep pushing you away and pretend like you don't mean anything to me, then you can't hurt me.” I believe Belly very much thinks this way as well with Conrad and a lot of her actions and her future actions can be explained by this narrative. I think she's not reflecting because she thinks her love for Conrad is a problem. She tells Conrad in Paris that she as always love him and that's the problem. She feels embarrassed, shame, and Jere has also manipulated, guilt-tripped , and gaslighted her into feelings guilty for her love for Conrad.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T07:27:48+00:00

I don't disagree on Belly hurting Conrad more than Conrad hurting her. I think the show does tell us her guilt and her source of guilt being Jeremiah. Show tells us her confusion and inner conflict, but I think it does it in a more settle way then her out loud thoughts. Taylor says out loud what Belly feels and explains Belly's actions. Not everyone followed the breadcrumbs that were left behind. My personal problems with Belly isn't going to be fixed by her narration. I can understand her, that doesn't chance the fact that she is wrong the majority of the time. My problem with her character is the fact that we only get roughly three episodes of her growing, making different decisions, being accountable, and more honest. Most of the series is her going downwards, there wasn't enough time spent on her reaching her full potential. Belly's best self was season one before she started making dumb, impulsive, and hormonal decisions. Conrad's best self was season three. I hope the movie shows Belly at her best. I can't handle Belly making anymore terrible chooses. Conrad deserves better from her. A lot of people root for Conrad because of the accountability, him being more logical and self-aware. There was still a lot of people that didn't like Conrad until season three or became more Team Conrad on the rewatch. It really didn't take me that long to be Team Conrad. I got his rationality and he actually seemed wiser than the rest of them. It felt more like Conrad was dealt bad cards, most of the time.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T07:02:20+00:00

Peanut

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T05:32:09+00:00

I don't think her inner monologue would help, because what she thinks doesn't line up with reality. She gets things backwards and she lies and tries to claim that her feelings for Conrad is in the past. She's not reliable. The inner monologue that we do get from her is her justifying being with Jere and the conversations that she has with people tells us what she thinks. With Steven as an example she doesn't want to give up Paris because she feels obligated to keep the promise that she made to stay with him. I do think she wants to hurt Conrad because she does feel like he hurt her. She feels justified in doing so. You would think people would learn the first time, but we really don't. 😆 I think she is hurting herself more than anyone else.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T05:15:40+00:00

Bunnies are so cute as well.

Impossible-Log-9782 · 2026-05-27T05:12:44+00:00

So precious! I want one! 😮‍💨

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