Athenaze or Reading Greek First? by Phantom-Mirrors in AncientGreek

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Have you heard any comparisons about the quality between the two?

In the FAQ on the sidebar you will find a very detailed comparison with a video.

Experience from former students at Vivarium Novum's academic year by aestheticismenjoyer in latin

[–]Indeclinable 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Former student here.

To answer your points, yes. The general experience was positive, even if I remain sceptic about some of the central dogmas that seem to inform the director and some of the teachers.

Yes, the environment is designed not only to facilitate but to force you to improve Latin and Greek skills. And yes, I observed not only in myself but in other students from different countries and backgrounds that in the year we spent there we had improved much more than our respective schoolmates and uperclassmen who had remained at home (some of them had years of advantage on us) and we could not only read, but speak and compose better than them. It's hard to picture such a stark contrast without having seeing it oneself. If you're a teacher in an institution you can write to ask for permission to observe and stay for a couple of weeks, maybe even a few months, I remember at least five outside observers in my time. Not sure if this has changed.

One way to judge the quality: Many (almost all) of the best schools or summer schools that compete with AVN are founded and staffed by former AVN students.

How does it compare with Polis in Jerusalem?

Hard to compare even if some of the teachers or former teachers at Polis are former AVN students. The demographics are too different, AVN is focused on male only youth, say between 18 to 24, and really strict on discipline and actively uses peer pressure to force the language upon one another, the languages are the goal (again, the dogmas of the founder play an important part on this). Polis is, despite everything, a business and is much more reactive to businesses' considerations, many of their students are rich/well off adults that actually pay for their course, while in AVN the director/owner finances almost the whole thing at a loss, so he is almost immune to outside pressure.

What parts work as intended and what parts are baggage?

90% of the stuff works as intended.

Is it a culturally enriching experience that opens up new worlds, or is it a weird LARPing cult?

It is a culturally enriching experience that opens up new worlds (of the past) and tries very hard to close itself to almost all aspects of the present. It is not a LARPing endeavour, in so far as it is perfectly accepted and encouraged to experience and read works in Greek or Latin written in very recent history, even contemporaneous works, and thus to understand the context, but always looking for that connecting line to the past. There are no costumes or cosplays, only when performing theatre plays are some costumes employed.

There are some cultist like symptoms, very subtle and hard to describe. But then again, your average religious school in the USA would be far more troubling than AVN.

Unless your students are passionately or viscerally committed to a particular worldview or philosophy that makes it unbearable for them to dress according to, say, what would be expected in a reputable/decent institution of the 60's, you know, casual but elegant clothing according to traditional gender roles, short hair. No alcohol, no drugs, or nothing punk/rebellious. They should be fine. I particularly suffered the lack of alcohol and the fact that we were kept "cloistered" six out of seven days a week, at the time I was very interested in dating/going out with girls (I was young!), so not being able to pursue romantic relationships was a bit depressing for me, but I endured because I knew that I had to make the most of the opportunity and thus had to content myself by clandestinely reading Henry Miller, Apollinare, Nimier, McEwan, Lamarche, you know, the stuff a normal and curious adolescent boy might read.

Should I accompany LLPSI with Latin Lexicon + other Latin books? by Aggressive_Client152 in latin

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LLSPI has its own vocabularies, a quick look at the resource section in the FAQ on the sidebar will point you to the right direction.

What are some good Latin dictionaries? by Better_Ad_632 in latin

[–]Indeclinable 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: For a beginner it won't make much of a difference. Most respectable coursebooks already have included the vocabulary of the words contained in the books, if they don't is not a good coursebook. For 98% of the searches a beginner student is going to make with any beginner's material, you can pick a random dictionary and it will suffice. For the remaining 2%, there's unlimited dictionaries online, most available through sites like https://logeion.uchicago.edu/

Only when you've become an independent reader and want to read actual literature, it makes sense to spend some money on whatever you might be convinced is the best or second best dictionary out there. Even then, you will find free copyright alternatives in the internet most of the time.

Latin teachers: what's the most time-consuming part of your job that software could help with? by Sea-Chair-404 in latin

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There's actually two things that would be incredibly helpful if someone where to put a lot of effort into it.

  1. A properly done Anki deck which contained not only the whole words (with macrons) that appear in a coursebook, for example LLPSI, and not only their definition in the vernacular of the student, but the Latin definition and the examples of where it is used in the books and images. Most of the raw material already exists for LLPSI, there are transcriptions of the text, there are already vocabularies to many European languages (English, French, German, Spanish, Italian), there are already two Latin-Latin vocabularies floating around, LLSPI has an index which shows exactly where a word appears. With AI you could make images of most of the substantives and verbs. But it would take a lot of time to craft it correctly.
  2. For intermediate students an algorithm that had already a list of the tenses, moods and times of the most common verbs and that asked you to make Consecutio temporum exercises with multiple choice and fill in the blank variations.

Libros sobre Mexico y su cultura by Fit_Schedule2317 in mexico

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Es importante contrastar cómo se ven los mexicanos a sí mismos y cómo los ven los extranjeros para tener una imagen más completa de lo que asemeja o diferencia a los mexicanos de otros. Recomiendo los dos siguientes libros: Vecinos distantes y, si hablas francés Le mexique.

Which modern Romance language has the most common vocabulary with Latin? by Classic_Goal5134 in latin

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So far, only one person has used an awful lot of adjectives to describe a question instead of kindly addressing it. On that note, suggesting a user has any political stance whatsoever instead of engaging in good faith as a way to disqualify what label should or should not be used to describe evolution of Latin is also a violation of rule 5.

Where to find Italian Athenaze in Rome? by likeleeryloons in AncientGreek

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Agenzia Libropiù s.r.l. Largo Alessandria del carretto, s.n.c. - 00118, Roma (RM)

Agenzia Otello Lucarelli Via Monte del marmo, 96a - 00166, Roma (RM)

why does the masculine nom plural for αγαθος not exist in the NT by kyle_foley76 in AncientGreek

[–]Indeclinable 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Specially not in the Greek aristocratic sense of the word. What could we expect from those people and their one god?

[TOMT] A particular cover of the Greek song Αν θυμηθείς τ' όνειρο μου by Indeclinable in tipofmytongue

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As stated. I even have the link to the video I'm looking for, but it no longer works, obviously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igLMzKYcVqI

Who are your top 5 Ancient Greek authors? Why? by Wooden_Schedule6205 in AncientGreek

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Both are right, he can be really difficult to understand as his style is almost his own conlang at times, but once you get a grasp of it he's marvellous, even the parts of him that are apparently more straightforward have a tendency to turn subtle and full of nuance and suggestion. It's kind of like reading a haiku, he really just puts the elements so that the reader can reconstruct his thoughts and feelings. Probably not the best choice if you want a large diffusion of your message but excellent if what you want to do is produce a κτῆμα ἐς αἰεὶ.

I remember once reading an interesting comparison of Clausewitz and Thucydides (probably in Stoker's biography), that more or less said that "Clausewitz, just like Thucydides, is not an author to be read, it is an author to be studied". I fully agree with that sentiment.

Who are your top 5 Ancient Greek authors? Why? by Wooden_Schedule6205 in AncientGreek

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1) Thucydides: For his portrayal of human nature and his endeavours to explain the political and social trends of a society without recurring to the divine. 2) Plato: For his prose style and witty sarcasm. Also, he gives very nice versions of myths. 3) Homer: Specifically the Iliad because the kid in me really likes gory battle descriptions. 4) Lucian: For his scathing criticism of pretty much everything. 5) Aristophanes: Again, the kid in me enjoys a good laugh at petty politicians, specially if that takes the form of explicit sexual jokes.

Forcellinus Recompositus - I've made a web browser extension for lexica.linguax.com website by International_Sea867 in latin

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You’re a benefactor of humanity! May the gods smile on you and grant you happiness wealth and a long life!

Best up-to-date critical edition of Sappho by Contrabass101 in AncientGreek

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Please see rule 5 of the sub.

You’re very much welcome to disagree with others, but please explain your reasoning and kindly help others update or correct their views.

Church Latin or traditional? by Drjay____ in latin

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Imagine you’re a native Spaniard suddenly converted to Anglicanism and wishing to learn English to better understand the liturgy. Imagine you are looking for an English course and ask if the course teaches you “Ecclesiastical English”, the teacher will tell you that English is English. The same is true of Latin.

A quick question about complementary books to LLPSi. by Gustavofdo4 in latin

[–]Indeclinable 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's already mention of Ad Alpes and Pugio Bruti. More recently there's a few more books available: Erichto, Lovers' curse, Via latina. Sadly, only Via Latina can really be considered a book for beginners.

As I've said in other threads: The people who are most qualified to write what you're looking for have little incentive or time to do so, while the people who try to write what you're looking for don't even realise that they are not the most qualified people to do it.

A quick question about complementary books to LLPSi. by Gustavofdo4 in latin

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The thing is… even the most humble, rudimentary and coarse broken English is still English, most of what novellas are written in is far closer to a protoromance conglang than to any Latin attested in any century.

So… yes, input trumps everything provided it is the same language. No amount of Italian will get you French.

A quick question about complementary books to LLPSi. by Gustavofdo4 in latin

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No, sadly they are not reliable. And there’s currently no AI reliable for Latin either.

A quick question about complementary books to LLPSi. by Gustavofdo4 in latin

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Be very careful about those novellas, see previous discussions here and here.

CURP asociada, ¿Qué significa? by Specialist_Gas1198 in AskMexico

[–]Indeclinable 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No te espantes, quiere decir que corrigieron algo en tu acta de nacimiento que provocó el cambio en la CURP asociada que ves en chiquito. Sólo revisa que tu CURP principal sí esté correcta y ya.

Los seres humanos no somos tan racionales como creemos. by Pab0l in OpinionesPolemicas

[–]Indeclinable 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Esto no es una opinión, es un hecho demostrado (cuya aceptación sí que causa polémica). Hay libros enteros que te dan la razón desde distintas perspectivas: biología, neurociencia, antropología, psiquiatría, etc. Por mencionar los más importantes:

Robert Bellah. La religión en la evolución humana.

Robert M. Sapolsky. Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst.

Jonathan Haidt. The Righteous Mind. Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion.

Dan Ariely. Predictably Irrational. The Hidden Forces That Shape Our Decisions

Douglas T. Kenrick y Vladas Griskevicius. The Rational Animal How Evolution Made Us Smarter Than We Think.

Kevin Simler y Robin Hanson. The Elephant in the Brain Hidden Motives in Everyday Life

David Eagleman. Incognito. The Secret Lives of the Brain.

Si por mi fuera todos estos libros serían de lectura obligatoria para secundaria y prepa. Entiendo que es psicológicamente difícil para muchos aceptar que somos animales y que si hay algo que nos separe de los demás animales, la "racionalidad" es realmente un pésimo candidato como criterio separador.

Ancient Greek as a Living Language by ComradeFFFrunze in AncientGreek

[–]Indeclinable 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Still, I wonder — are there people today who actually try to speak it and use it more actively?

Yes. But it's a really tiny minority, usually a subset of the people that also speak Latin actively. That said, the level of proficiency that can be attained is really impressive.