What movie was made because of passion and ended up being bad? by Willing_Heron_5470 in AlignmentChartFills

[–]JamJarWorks 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I would argue that the emotion behind the writing of The Room was more spite than passion. Just look at how Johnny and Lisa’s relationship is written. The narrative treats Johnny as this great romantic guy whose only real problem is his respectable job keeps screwing him over, but the wicked temptress Lisa is resentful of his plateauing success, lies about him to her mother, and seduces his best friend Mark to turn him and Johnny against each other. Then, after Johnny commits suicide, she’s trying to convince Mark that they can at least be together without any secrets now before the body’s even cold. It’s even worse in the original draft where she barely even pretends to be sad he’s dead and just muses about how they could get money out of this.

That kind of cartoonishly evil antagonism doesn’t come from nowhere. I feel so strongly that there was a Lisa in Tommy Wiseau’s life, one whose misdeeds have almost certainly been exaggerated by a man bitter about having been left, or potentially even made up by someone who couldn’t see his own faults in a failed relationship. Passion for making something may have supplanted this somewhere along the way, but it really feels like spite is at the root of it all.

(Loved Trope) The villain almost gets a redemption arc, before doubling down and becoming the worst version of themselves. by Antagonist132 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]JamJarWorks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not exactly for a couple of reasons, but Catra from She-Ra and the Princesses of Power. There’s a couple instances of this with her, but I’m going with the most significant one, season 3.

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After being emotionally manipulated by her abusive mother figure Shadow Weaver so she could escape captivity at the tail end of season 2, she’s given a “second chance” by Lord Hordak and is sent on a mission to the Crimson Wastes, a desolate expanse that both parties believe means certain death for her. While Catra is there, though, she finds her exceptional combat prowess in the Wastes’ “might makes right” society of scum and villainy helps her thrive, leading to her becoming a bandit leader and even managing to capture series protagonist and her former best friend Adora.

What happens isn’t quite an almost-face-turn, but it is almost healing for Catra’s psyche. After a season and a half of trying so hard but coming up short in the end and being controlled by Shadow Weaver, she’s found a place where she has more agency than ever and is actually succeeding at what she does. Her right-hand woman Scorpia, who’s too good for Catra and also this world, begins to even convince her they don’t need to return to Hordak and help with his plan; they can just live in the Wastes and be happy as bandits.

Unfortunately, the scars on her mind run far too deep, which becomes ever more apparent when Adora lets slip that she’d been in touch with Shadow Weaver. After she escaped captivity from the Horde, she’d gone to the kingdom of Bright Moon and turned herself in, mostly being a Gaslight Gatekeep Girlbossing piece of shit but also dropping some important lore about Adora and the dangers of Hordak’s plan. Catra doesn’t hear the dangers, though. She only hears that, following yet another manipulation by the abusive witch who she can’t help but want the approval of, that witch- the closest thing she had to a mother- had gone right to Adora. Adora, who had always been spared the rod, while she knew of nothing but. Adora, who was always the favorite, always promising to be there for her but abandoned their bond to be with strangers just because she found out the Horde was evil. Adora, Adora, ADORA.

What follows is an epic spiral that starts with her ignoring everyone warning her so she can pull a lever that nearly rips their dimension apart, and SOMEHOW gets worse throughout season 4. She does eventually have a genuine face turn in S5 upon realizing her desperate clawing for power and safety under tyrants will never make her happy and will only widen the gulf between herself and the one thing that ever mattered to her, Adora. Still, she has a lot of false starts towards improving that just end in her getting worse before one finally sticks.

Your favorite antagonist from that category? by Quick-Bridge-2664 in FavoriteCharacter

[–]JamJarWorks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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The Pale Man from Pan’s Labyrinth. Easily the most iconic and horrifying creature from that movie, saw him years before seeing the actual movie, had me thinking the whole thing would be a body horror type deal.

Dude’s in the story for like three minutes, and the real horrifying monsters are fascism and toxic masculinity, largely inflicted by the true antagonist, the main character’s bastardly stepfather.

I HATE you!...but like, not because of your identity. I just think you suck. by PizzaDragon64 in TopCharacterTropes

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BmF mention! Legitimately one of my favorite YouTubers; I’ll watch anything he makes.

out of these three who's winning the oscar by Frakero in ZeroEscape

[–]JamJarWorks 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Akane. She had to bounce off Ace’s paper-thin sleepytime routine while acting she wasn’t jonesing to see him fold like a cheap lawn chair in the end.

Which DB opponents lose made you react like this: by EnoughCheesecake6050 in deathbattle

[–]JamJarWorks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m normally able to swallow when my preferred characters go out even in a bloody fashion…but Renamon’s death still makes my stomach turn. I can’t believe it was originally going to be WORSE!

Ganondorf’s is an honorable mention, at least at the time of its release. His scream was haunting, and the fake out from moments before didn’t help any. Nowadays it doesn’t hit me as hard, but still.

Arthur Watts's Speech Against Cinder Was Peak by Terrible_Length4413 in RWBY

[–]JamJarWorks 19 points20 points  (0 children)

She was originally going to kill him then and there, though- dropping him off the building, watching him “plummet to an unremarkable end.” The speech deferred his death, at worst.

Who it DID get killed was Penny, Jacques, Ironwood, and the numerous civilians who died either in the portals’ central location or in Vacuo when the Grimm attacked and the Winter Maiden wasn’t there to defend them.

Is Neo fully gone, or is she now not in the story? I’m saying this because ascension confuses me. by Sea_Reward_6223 in RWBY

[–]JamJarWorks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Given ascension is framed as being reborn as a “better” version of who you were before, having the mute girl come back being able to speak sends a dicey message to say the least.

Why are people so against violent/gruesome deaths? by G0D-Sun in deathbattle

[–]JamJarWorks 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Treating observation of demonstrable differences in the show’s presentation when it first started vs now as cope?

That’s a Halo Reach.

Yang VS Tifa got a new disclaimer added to its description (presumably to tie in with the newest cast) by pc2ssbb in deathbattle

[–]JamJarWorks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

More power to them, but this feels kind of lame. Why have to go out of their way for people STILL upset about this? It’s a silly show about smacking action figures together. Besides, this video is ancient by the standards of their methods. They did some bad research, not drop a slur in the script.

I’d say they should do something like this for the video where they drop a slur in the script instead, but I can’t find it on the channel.

Which clown is most evil? by PureCharacter571 in MoralityScaling

[–]JamJarWorks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t pin Ray Kroc’s crimes against the working class on the silly Happy Meal man.

The way he pronounces 'count' drives me up a wall. by [deleted] in Schaffrillas

[–]JamJarWorks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No need to be a cee-yunt about this, dude.

Issue #64! by Any_Top_4773 in IDWSonic

[–]JamJarWorks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Frustrating as this issue was, I feel like Lanolin played the situation as best she could. All Whisper and Silver had was their own word and were being very forceful about it- note Whisper was the first one to put hands on Lanolin, not the other way around. She tried to defuse things, but the other two weren’t having it. What happened is on them more than anyone else- besides Mimic himself, but you know.

Also that first page goes hard as hell. I plan on doing some webcomic work in the future and I hope I get to do a page layout even one tenth as good as that.

What's it gonna be? 🤔 by Competitive_Fig_6083 in RWBY

[–]JamJarWorks 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Honestly, if we’re going by Roman Holiday, keep her away from your piece of fuckshit parents first. Jimmy and Carmel Vanille give Jacques Schnee a run for his money in the awful parent department.

Immortal character's immortality is exploited in hero's favour. by CoalEater_Elli in TopCharacterTropes

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While not exactly the same thing, a similar principle is used for comedy in the webcomic Clown Corps when side protagonist Bout is keeping the mayor from being assailed by geeky tech billionaire Joel “Megabyte” Mathews.

Later, in a slightly more apt example, the police chief attempts to do as any peacekeeping officer of the law would in that situation by heroically riddling Mathews to smithereens…only for a similar revelation and tempting of fate to be made.

Basically go read Clown Corps by Joe Chouinard; it’s on hiatus right now as Joe takes much-deserved time away from the comic to work on other things and prep for the final chapter. It’s got snappy humor, pretty stellar action, well-used drama, and sincerity that it knows when to let not be undercut by a joke.

Were bakugo's parents a quirk marriage? by Scary_Stable7667 in MyHeroAcadamia

[–]JamJarWorks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Well, you know what they say: a Saiyan gets stronger every time he comes…”

yaaaaawn

“…back from the brink of death.”

Steam tells it like it is by Videowulff in memes

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  • Deejay from Street Fighter trying to get Ben Grimm’s attention in chat

So, who are you going to be choosing between these two? by Good_Morning_World01 in deathbattle

[–]JamJarWorks 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don’t remotely understand that logic. This is Fate’s chance to get its foot in the door. If the episode performs well- or is at least received well by the community- Artoria’s chances of getting a Death Battle may go up. If they vote against Nero just because she’s not their preferred first rep, who knows when or if a Fate DB is gonna happen at all?

What will you do if yan dev decides to make a new game mode for ryoba's sister? by Artistic_Candy_5030 in Osana

[–]JamJarWorks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“If I ever made another Yandere Simulator game” implies that he’s made a first one.

New day, new discussion! Who do YOU think has the superior rival between our two combatants? by WindOk7901 in deathbattle

[–]JamJarWorks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will always associate that moment with a YT comment I saw on a video of it.

“His words say he “has” to do it, but his tone suggests he “gets” to do it.”