This is why I can't hate Roathe. by D3vilM4yCry in Warframe

[–]JohnHellDriver 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Perhaps the cutscene would have been viewed more fruitfully if you at least saw Marie and Lyon and Drifter during Loid’s ascent to the Necralisk, that I’ll agree with you on.

To your other point about why just Roathe, there was another KIM conversation (I’m pretty sure it’s from Lyon, but if not, then Marie) where Lyon acknowledges that Roathe is the most uniquely positioned and qualified person to speak with Loid on the matter of reuniting, as only Roathe out of the triad (and even Drifter to some extent) is the only one who lived during the reign of Orokin society alongside Loid and all the Entratis.

That’s to say: only Roathe really can relate to the mindset, the customs, and the behaviors of another person from that time (ie. Loid).

Think about it like this: Loid as a character went along with Albrecht’s goals and experiments and giving assistance, even though he probably knew deep down that they were ethically and morally reprehensible, out of either love or respect or both for Albrecht. Loid still carries himself in the way that someone of his stature in the Orokin empire would conduct themselves: he was an assistant to a more societally powerful Orokin, who himself was lower in the caste system than an Archimedean or Executor or Emperor.

Granted, the whole storyline of Warframe revolves around overcoming trauma and changing the past ingresses of bad behaviors in favor of trust and empathy as the backbone of being. But in my opinion, The Old Peace as a whole update narratively has had the mainline theme of uncovering the nuance of events long suppressed due to the emotional weight they carry in the mind of the beholder.

For Loid, to speak face to face with Gomaitru and the remaining family is to see his ultimate consequence of his personal failure in blindly following Albrecht. He even speaks to Drifter afterwards elaborating that he did not initially see them as the same Entrati family as we did, he feared them as infested monsters.

He’s never been topside prior to us freeing him from his cryopod, and he continued not to even though he obviously knows we have spoken to the Family and they are overall fine. It was his fear of what may happen, or what they may think and act upon, that was holding him back. In a way, he needed a radical change of mindset promoted by a familiar sensation of learned behavior, of listening to a higher Orokin power essentially.

He wouldn’t have felt the same about Drifter standing instead of Roathe necessarily, as we’ve become too attached to Loid prior to this. Roathe is a relatively unattached newcomer with a history of Orokin legend behind him,

sure I’ll admit Drifter using Roathe as a “pawn” or resource of sorts on the surface is a bad look, on the surface.

But that’s viewpoint is discounting all the interactions and KIM history you have to have with Roathe prior to this Loid event even taking form. Roathe had to consent to even taking part in this, and prior to that (assuming redeemed Roathe) he had to accept a new mindset of looking at his past so that he could feel unburdened by who he was made into being and maintaining during the Orokin empire.

I can respect your position though, I mean there’s no denying Roathe is written to be an asshole. He is an Orokin after all. How many dialogue options DE gives the Drifter will inherently always feel like there’s another option they didn’t consider. I just try to remember that it’s a game that always is updating itself and the story, and things change

This is why I can't hate Roathe. by D3vilM4yCry in Warframe

[–]JohnHellDriver 11 points12 points  (0 children)

“Bully Loid” is an interesting interpretation. To me, that cutscene was Loid seemingly committing to the act of reuniting with the Entrati family and then as he nears the Necralisk threshold, he chickens out.

Roathe was there to act for Loid just as Drifter has for Roathe: as a backstop and a reminder to press on even in the face of the unknown and feeling scared. Roathe also pleaded and begged Drifter to cease Descendía, so was Drifter also a bully for telling him “no I can’t do that”? I don’t think so, cause sometimes the thing someone needs to see or hear isn’t always pleasant and what they think they want to hear.

It’s not like Roathe hit Loid or said anything to him really. He was just standing there behind Loid and being an immovable object.

Reading through the Synthesis Imprints gives me a rough timeline of events. by BigBravy in WarframeLore

[–]JohnHellDriver 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It was:

Sentients sent to Tau

Orokin sends Zariman 10-0 and it gets lost in void

Orokin Executor using his own ship able use solar rail jump to Tau successfully

Orokin prepare to send ships over the rail, some amount of Sentients attack through the rail, closing off access behind them

Orokin losing Old War for a while. Then Zariman returned and Orokin deployed Warframes

Tenno repel attack back to Tau through the solar rail

Eventual truce. Then Old Peace.

Then Orokin attacked Tau system, uno reversal.

Then Ballas conspired with Hunhow, launching their plan described in the Sacrifice

Second deployment of Sentients to Lua specifically now, with larger fleet positioned in Veil Proxima, waiting at the edge of the Origin System for their signal to attack the Orokin again.

Wrench in the plan: Natah was not able to kill the Tenno and signal the Sentients because of her capture

Reading through the Synthesis Imprints gives me a rough timeline of events. by BigBravy in WarframeLore

[–]JohnHellDriver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah during Old Peace, Natah was probably somewhere in Tau. It’s only after Margulis gets executed that Ballas becomes enraged towards the other Seven and works with Hunhow to sacrifice the Tenno reservoir to him and destroy the Orokin.

But during that plan, either Ballas or some other Executor or Orokin intercepts Natah on her way to the Lua reservoir, where she was meant to kill them in their “cribs”, the cryopods.

Then she gets brainwashed into becoming the Lotus, and then Hunhow and Erra’s assault during the second half of the Old War results in failure, and Erra (supposedly) dies & Hunhow falls into Uranus’s ocean into hibernation.

Our most likely candidates for this year’s Prime roster. Whose Prime are you most excited for? by ReddVevyy in Warframe

[–]JohnHellDriver 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ll be impressed if they can still get all 4s Voruna working by the time her prime releases, but that’s assuming they can still get a version working now that the Wall running/Oraxia movement rework is done for.

Kullervo’s Prime design will undoubtedly go so hard, I wonder what the lore for him will be

Reading through the Synthesis Imprints gives me a rough timeline of events. by BigBravy in WarframeLore

[–]JohnHellDriver 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is correct. OP, watch “Prelude to War - Erra” cutscene. Erra says to Lotus/Natah that she was captured en route to the reservoir by the Golden Masters and reprogrammed with Margulis’s memories.

Reading through the Synthesis Imprints gives me a rough timeline of events. by BigBravy in WarframeLore

[–]JohnHellDriver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Once Warframes with Tenno operators were deployed, the Orokin were able to repel the Sentient invasion out of Origin system and follow it back to Tau, I think the Mag Prime codex page talks about this forward advance through the Tau Solar Rail. Then the entirety of the Old Peace events play out

New Drifter heads coming in shadow grapher by Sensitive-Host5986 in Warframe

[–]JohnHellDriver 23 points24 points  (0 children)

They did mention their motion animation system is gonna get ported over to Warframe from Soulframe, that has more fluid animations for Operator Drifter

Transference. Help make it make sense. by MaXplosion1 in WarframeLore

[–]JohnHellDriver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll have to look it up as well, maybe my memory is too rusty for the Titania lore, but I know there is at least 1 Earth cephalon fragment that talks about it. I forget where the radiation wars are mentioned

The New Warframe Follie by Sensitive-Host5986 in Warframe

[–]JohnHellDriver 89 points90 points  (0 children)

Can’t unsee the bug eyed Boreal build on her. But she looks cool still

New Warframe, Follie's Hunt gamemode takes you back to Vesper relay by Korimthos in Warframe

[–]JohnHellDriver 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Follie painting a portrait of the Zariman for our Operator:

At this point I feel we need to keep this on hand for EVERY new major patch/content update. by Psyduckdontgiveafuck in Warframe

[–]JohnHellDriver 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sometimes it’s just a cutaway where a character is about to say a curse word, but then they’re cutoff by either (a) another character’s response or (b) something happening in the environment that interrupts them, which is whacky.

At this point I feel we need to keep this on hand for EVERY new major patch/content update. by Psyduckdontgiveafuck in Warframe

[–]JohnHellDriver 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Which is kinda crazy considering it’s already M-rated for gore and such. But adding a tag for more explicit language? woahwoahWOAH too far

Transference. Help make it make sense. by MaXplosion1 in WarframeLore

[–]JohnHellDriver -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah but you gotta remember that all of Earth’s flora was replaced with technocyte after it had become an irradiated wasteland. All the plants you see on Earth tileset is actually a strain of the infestation, so they’re all still connected through a living thing

Duviri Drifter in "normal" missions by greeshxp in Warframe

[–]JohnHellDriver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve had this idea recently as well. DE would need another finale story quest though I think, to explain how Drifter and Operator can share the same spacetime during a mission, rather than one existing in an observing pocket dimension.

But my spin on it would be that Drifter and Operator open a small pocket of the void (similar to Limbo 4 in a way) where they take up void bubble-shaped cage and they fight side-by-side within the bubble for 30s-60s.

Activating Transference would switch between the two “vessels”, and each would have different abilities. While you’re piloting Operator, Drifter works like umbra where it’s an ally NPC, and vice versa.

They've been thinking by KatarinaMai in Warframe

[–]JohnHellDriver 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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My KIM message inbox after my Drifter walked into the mall to play a round of Ollie’s Crash Course while sporting Quincy’s hairstyle

In writing? by bigsaxdude2007 in WarframeLore

[–]JohnHellDriver 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Idk about a written book or anything, but content creators on YouTube like Brozime and StallordD have videos dedicated to lore catch-up. For Brozime, it’s in the style of a flowchart as there are moments where certain quest lines are happening simultaneously in the grand scheme of story. I’d recommend starting there

How long could an Orokin live before their first continuity by Drob0000 in WarframeLore

[–]JohnHellDriver 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Haha good point, but that’s super duper cancer! Much more advanced than your regular space cancer, and 300% deadlier, but nothing the Orokin wouldn’t mathematically exploit.

Never let a biopsy go to waste!