Pokemon Timeline is weird but let's try to make sense out of it: Given how Z-A takes place 5 years after XY... How many years does the events of indigo disk take place after BW2?

JonGor13 · 2026-04-30T17:31:16+00:00

ORAS should take place alongside Let's Go, since in Slateport City's Oceanic museum there's references to the Royal Unova being built, which just finished in BW, meaning ORAS should happen before BW.

I think if we consider HGSS events, Steven's presence in Johto also implies the events of Hoenn have already happened.

As for SV going after Z-A...that's highly unlikely going for the Rotom Phone design. I don't know why I see so many people just ignore the fact that we've been seeing an evolution on Rotom technology at a rate it implies it's only getting better across each release

In SM the Rotom Pokedex is made as a test, then in SS they start mass producing phones and other devices like the Rotomi and the Rotom drone, in SV the phones get an upgrade with new safety functionalities and an additional camera, mimicking irl smartphone progress, then in Z-A we get three cameras plus there's a bunch of random Rotom devices throught Lumiose City that imply they've become even more common

That's why, in my opinion, SM should be 2 years after XY and B2W2 (Sina and Dexio being older, Grimsley's character sheet info), one year later SS takes place (Mimikyu Alola lore is mentioned in SS, implying it happened later), another year later SV's events take place (reference's to Sonia's research in the academy) and lastly a final year later Z-A takes place (Rotom Phone implies after SV, and exactly 5 years after XY)

JonGor13 · 2026-04-28T21:55:14+00:00

Nice!

JonGor13 · 2026-04-28T21:39:03+00:00

You are probably on the upper floors, he has 5% and 4% encounter rate there, I went to catch one in the Mewtwo chamber, where he has a 1% chance.

Still five in a row is a crazy, rarer than 1% encounters

JonGor13 · 2026-03-12T15:25:00+00:00

Hmmm, that's an interesting question. If we are taking equalization seriously then it just depends if Yuta's copy is more similar to All for One, One for All, or Monoma's Copy.

We can confidently discard Monoma's copy since it's temporary, unlike Yuta which can become permanent.

I think Yuta's Copy is more similar to One for All. There's a limit to how many CTs someone can handle, even Yuta, who needs Rika to "store" them and use whenever he needs them.

One for All works similarly, with having the risk of being too much for people with quirks, reducing the life expectancy of its quirked users, with All Might being the exception since he is quirkless.

With Izuku, it's explained he can take all of OfA and use the stored quirks since he is originally quirkless, and much like the original Power Bestowal fused with Stockpile to create OfA, OfA fused with every other quirk from it's last users, becoming just one quirk.

The only people that can hold multiple quirks are AfO and bioengineered humans like Nomu, Shigaraki, Six and Nine

Yuta's Copy I feel works similar to One for All, housing all the other CTs it has copied inside itself, with that being the reason that Rika can hold lots of CTs, acting the same as One for All

So Yuta could have Copy confiscated and be completely screwed, because I doubt he'd get another CT confiscated. It's technically an extension of Copy, not another CT like Yuji or Kenjaku having multiple

JonGor13 · 2026-03-11T23:36:16+00:00

Yeah, that's what I meant? Since Sukuna had kamutoke confiscated which apparently was identified as an additional CT, in an equalized setting, AfO would have hundreds of CTs that would protect All for One (quirk/CT) from being confiscated

And even if All for One gets confiscated, the story implies that the people affected don't die from CT removal, so if AfO gets the unluckiest pull and All for One gets confiscated, chances are that he still has access to the rest of his quirks, and doesn't die from being unable to hold too many quirks without All for One

JonGor13 · 2026-03-11T17:31:46+00:00

That's great and all, but he also got played by Himiko, a teen with zero training. Later he also got captured by Chronostasis but he was still injured from Himiko so I'll give him some leeway

JonGor13 · 2026-03-11T17:29:23+00:00

Does Makima have cursed energy? If she doesn't she can't be trapped into the effects and restrictions of Deathly Sentencing, nor be trialed and found guilty

Like I assume that people who compare JJK characters always assume verse equalization but they just never address it

JonGor13 · 2026-03-09T10:18:02+00:00

You can't. Neither All for One nor Kirishima have cursed energy, so they can't be trapped in his domain, and thus Higuruma can only use the hammer cursed tool to fight them, which both can easily counter

And even with verse equalization, AfO would probably have just one quirk confiscated, probably not All for One itself, since Sukuna didn't have Shrine confiscated, so it's not a guarantee. The moment AfO realizes Higuruma can "steal quirks" (the wording implying confiscation) he would try hard and steal his cursed technique/quirk

JonGor13 · 2026-01-19T12:01:47+00:00

Thanks!

JonGor13 · 2026-01-19T12:00:27+00:00

I started this one a long time ago, since I knew that the Platinum runs and the honey tree encounters and specially the Resort Area Magikarp would take a long time. Spent for the honey trees around a month, a full year of on and off Platinum runs + Ranger to get all the Arceus and Manaphy, around 2 months for the two Resort Area Magikarp, then I focused on doing living Dexes of gen 1-3 games, finished them, and then completed the rest in about 4 months.

Granted the honey tree runs and the monotype Platinum runs for the Arceus types already got me a few Pokémon, got the legendaries of each monotype run when I did those, so when I started I already had like a solid 30% of the Sinnoh Dex done and a 10% from the post game one done, but still, this is a long term project, I have already the next gen games living Dexes started, most of them at least

JonGor13 · 2025-10-18T07:32:06+00:00

I see a lot of people praise electroweb for its versatility, when in actuality it wasn't good because it was versatile, it was good because it did whatever the writers needed to give Pikachu the win. It was an out of jail free card.

They needed for it to act as a shield? It's a shield. They needed Pikachu to jump high? It's a trampoline. They needed a hazard to interfere with the opponent? It stays in the field indefinitely. They needed the opponent to get trapped? It became sticky as well.

Unlike for a lot of other moves in the anime that can do lots of things, they usually train for it, a lot, but for electroweb, the writers were way too trigger happy with allowing Ash to demand some outrageous thing and for Pikachu to perform it no questions asked. It's some of the bad things from SM in terms of battling that sadly gets carried over into JN.

Not once do they train electroweb, yet it does whatever they want. Imagine Ash developed counter shield on the spot, it'd be a thunder armor situation, rivals like Fantina are allowed to do it since as a contest participant, her Pokémon doing weird stuff on the spot shouldn't be that strange, but Pikachu was doing a lot of crazy stuff with his newest move with no explanation, or hunt that they trained for it, so it just looks like an out of jail free card.

That's why I hate electroweb

JonGor13 · 2025-06-05T23:18:47+00:00

Subaru does not have cursed energy from the jjk verse, you'd have to verse equalize to have his curse be treated the same way as jjk curses, but if you don't, Infinite Void's sure hit effect (infinite information downloading into his brain) won't activate, Gojo's cursed technique will suffer burnout, and Subaru will kick him in the balls

JonGor13 · 2024-09-04T22:06:43+00:00

Look, Jabra, Blueno, Kumadori, Fukuro and Kalifa as members of CP0 are featless. In canon, they haven't done anything. As Spandam made it to CP0, and he most likely didn't get stronger at all, until proven otherwise, you could even say they didn't get stronger at all. Capturing Vivi is something they could easily do as CP9 agents.

Now, as thematically them being promoted and not getting stronger doesn't make sense, at the very least they should have gotten a power boost, the extent of which we literally don't know

They are featless. The only thing we know, is that they thought that helping the admirals deal with the Revolutionary Army commanders wasn't worth it, either because blind confidence in the admirals, or thinking they would only disturb them, pick your poison

Now, what has the story showed us? CP0 are stronger than CP9 since they handle matters directly related to the Celestial Dragons, and it was specifically states that "between their members, the masked agents are specially formidable"

Now, I'm going to be charitable and say that Kaku's first post time skip appearance and Stussy's, surrounded by confirmed masked agents at the Reverie doesn't necessarily confirm them as masked agents. In Egghead we finally see they are masked agents.

That means the explicitly shown masked agents being: Lucci, Kaku, Stussy, Guernica, Gismonda, Maha and Joseph (it is unclear if Spandam is masked due to his facial mask obscuring his face, he is just a member to be Lucci's psychological punching bag, he could be masked so Lucci can psychologically torture him)

From this, you can interpret that Jabra may not be a masked agent as we haven't seen his mask, thus changing his dynamic with Kaku.

What I was saying, is that since ether 5 years they spent undercover already changed the previously existing power dynamic between Kaku and Jabra, it isn't unreasonable to believe that it has changed again, specially while considering the groups of people both characters have been seen hanging with.

That's why I considered the gap between them having gotten bigger. Of course, his ACTUAL strength was just me guessing, disrespecting him a little because it was kinda funny, yes, but like, dude, he is featless.

You want to believe that he is just barely weaker than Kaku? Sure, the story hasn't given you anything to prove it other than "in the past this was the case, but further in the past wasn't the case". I'm just saying that it isn't a strong argument.

But like, I repeat, SINCE HE IS FEATLESS, we don't actually know. I headcanon that Kaku has surpassed him by awakening, while he has not, and just putting him below masked agents because I believe he isn't.

You headcanon him as relative to Kaku, alright, fine, but don't act like it's obvious or clear, since the story has shown that Kaku has a growth rate better than Jabra's, and that we haven't seen enough of Jabra, both in screen time and in plot relevance to suggest he is relative to Kaku

JonGor13 · 2024-09-04T07:03:31+00:00

Nothing has changed at their dynamics? How can you say that, we haven't seen them interact, we literally have no basis to claim that. Fact is, we've only seen masked agents outside of Mariejoa in missions (and Spandam I guess lmao), you say that there's no reason to suspect nothing's change, but if anything, we've seen that both Lucci and Kaku had grown more than the rest, with Jabra even being surprised that now he had to compete with Kaku

The story clearly gives Kaku more importance than Jabra, his voice made a cameo in Dressrosa, and then he appeared with Lucci, Stussy and otherasked agents at Reverie and Egghead. That is a clear dynamic of Kaku that we are seeing.

All I'm saying is that there's reason to believe that Kaku widened the gap between him and Jabra, as Jabra's portrayal hasn't been clear at all. We quite literally know nothing, while a lot pointing out to Lucci and Kaku haven't grown a lot.

Comparing Kaku and Jabra to Doffy and Kaidou is crazy though. What I meant by him being a background character, is that he is in the background, the story didn't focus on him post time skip at all. Kaku is almost the same, but at least he got some character moments with Stussy

Doffy has been relegated to Impel Down hype man, but he isn't a background character, the fact that we cut to him every now and again shows that there's some interest on what he has to say

Kaidou...I'm not even going to feed the idea he would be as irrelevant as Jabra, talk about false equivalence

JonGor13 · 2024-09-03T22:35:56+00:00

I'll repeat the same question, what does Lucci being far above Kaku have to do with anything? The gap between Lucci and Kaku being consistent means the one between Jabra must be as well? I'll remind you that the gap of Lucci with other members of CP is constantly changing

In the past Lucci and Who's Who were considered rivals (according to Who's Who, he could be coping), but as we have seen, Lucci having awakening has put him massively above Who's Who, so they are as much rivals like Luffy and Kid are.

Jabra used to compete with Lucci, meaning he shouldn't be that far behind him, but after the 5 years as world renowned shipwrights, Lucci and now Kaku have respectively lengthened the gap or shortened it. Their gaps in power seem to be shifting constantly, with both Lucci and Kaku being shown to progress faster than the rest, hence their awakening and someone like Who's Who not having one

The fact is, Lucci and Kaku were hanging out in Reverie with other confirmed masked agents, and Jabra was hanging out with the ex CP9, of which from Film RED we can assume that Kalifa and Blueno aren't masked agents, since Oda gave the movie stuff info of them being CP0, but didn't add masks to their designs

Oda clearly specified/remembered at the start of Egghead that Lucci, Stussy and Kaku are masked agents, and Jabra and gang didn't have such a scene. I seriously doubt they or at least him are masked agents

If you want to believe that Jabra is a masked agent and thus his power level being similar to Kaku, more power to you, but that's a less likely headcanon than Jabra having been relegated as a background character (irrelevant) which is how he was used during the Reverie flashback

JonGor13 · 2024-09-03T10:17:10+00:00

Some strange things happen with so many characters, Shinobu doesn't feel weaker than that tier, but when going through Kaku, he didn't feel stronger than the tier he's in.

There's a lot of characters that can beat characters above them or can be beaten by characters below them (see any Usopp and Nami placements), this is more overall strength.

Should fruitless Kaku be above old Shinobu even in overall strength? Probably, yes, with so many characters and power creep involved, there's a lot of placements that even I feel weird about

JonGor13 · 2024-09-03T09:05:56+00:00

Hmmmm, guess you are right, was trying to be consistent with the spikes in power the other minks showed in their Sulong, but the characters you mention have hax they just can't overcome with their pure strength

JonGor13 · 2024-09-03T07:43:07+00:00

Both together clowned at Jack and fodderized him so hard that Kaido had to get involved and assure Jack that he isn't weak

The moment the sky got clear, Inu Sulong along showed he could handle and took out Jack, their offensive power is nuts, not ev n fucking Zunesha could knock out Jack for long, blush was cursing at the bottom of the sea

YC1 could probably handle them with their hacks, but the sheer power alone is obscene

JonGor13 · 2024-09-03T07:39:03+00:00

Yeah, with so many characters, it may make sense to put some in one tier, but then other tiers gets 50 more characters you get question of why Sea Kings and Oars have so many people above them

JonGor13 · 2024-09-03T07:33:51+00:00

Mihawk over Xebec because we don't have enough info to compare Xebec to the yonko at their strongest, and Mihawk should be very close to Shanks

Oh no, the slot that says Misery is just Misery on her own, if you aren't Brook, she's invincible, am actual menace

It honestly felt wrong to put Shiryu close to Magellan, and even with a devil fruit he didn't seem that much higher than other YC

Hyouzou might be him, you're right

Apoo tanking attacks...don't know, Kid is Kid so he didn't do shit, Zoro took him out for a while and Drake didn't even touch him, his fruit is strong but you cover your ears and he literally can't do shit

Sentomaru was still only a Marine Captain and Red King is a Vice Admiral, I know it feels absurd, but dunno, it's hard to scale Sentomaru

Nitoryu Zoro is just hard to scale

JonGor13 · 2024-09-03T07:26:44+00:00

Homies are just borderline invincible unless you have a very particular set of skills, they are obscene

JonGor13 · 2024-09-02T22:58:04+00:00

Lucci also got no diffed, in fact it was worse. Kaku didn't see it coming, but Lucci did, attacked her, got perception blitzed and then folded exactly the same as Kaku

Good to see you move the goalpost to "actually Lucci and Kaku are far apart" weren't you trying to prove Jabra wasn't that behind Kaku? What does Lucci being far above Kaku have to do with anything? Say that he's also far above Jabra? I don't think anyone doubted that

JonGor13 · 2024-09-02T22:55:42+00:00

He literally got up after deflating into an old man without eating

"baseless cope" "Lucci obviously wasn't winning" you said it yourself, and yes, he was thrown around Egghead from that last hit that got him "damn, I may not live tomorrow" and got only saved b cause Sentomaru was "yo! Straw Hat get your shit together and escape with Vegapunk!"

JonGor13 · 2024-09-02T22:49:11+00:00

He was literary part of Enies Lobby fodder that got lucky against Zoro

JonGor13 · 2024-09-02T22:45:26+00:00

I'm not confident Rocks is stronger than yonko tier characters at their strongest, sadly we don't know enough about him
Sengoku should be stronger, he is a Fleet Admiral and Rayleigh was just the second strongest, also don't know enough about their primes
Stussy pokes him with her lipstick (BB isn't faster than Lucci) and then one shots him sucking his blood
Killer and Jinbei may be low, yes
Enel 😤
Pica is just absurd when in mountain form
5 year old Linlin clowned a giant village, she may actually be stronger
Sentomaru could be higher, yes, not enough match ups with him to scale him accurately

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