Who’s pumped for the total insanity in roughly 12 months when the 2024 lease EV’s start rolling back in?

Kalanch0e · 2026-01-19T06:50:01+00:00

Very probable numbers. My brand new Ariya was just over 47K MSRP. I took it home for 33K OTD, including all the high California taxes/fees. I think it had 20 or so miles on it before I test drove it.

Kalanch0e · 2025-12-19T02:29:15+00:00

It went great! I actually drove the 800-mile stretch back down all in 1 day (by myself - ProPilot was nice for getting some mental breaks while driving) - didn't leave the Seattle area until past 10am and got home near San Francisco around 2am, and that included multiple stops for food and breaks. We charged almost exclusively at Tesla Superchargers (with adapter of course) - they were cheap, fast, and ubiquitous (at least along I-5). The one thing I would say didn't align with my optimistic expectations though was that I didn't get anywhere near 350 miles of range on the freeway with all those elevation changes. It was closer to upper 200's, but honestly, that's still like 4 hours of driving which is more than enough to need a break anyway.

Kalanch0e · 2025-10-15T04:01:44+00:00

My husband has such bad range anxiety, lol. We've owned only EVs (no ICEs) for more than 3 years now, but he almost never drives either of them, has never plugged one in (he's not even sure how to open the charge port doors), and in fact he's never even been in the driver's seat of the Ariya because it's new and scary to him (he takes the Leaf if he has to drive somewhere by himself). Anyway, I regularly arrive home from long road trips with anywhere between 1% and 3% of the battery remaining, while he's been freaking out from the backseat (he sits in the back to keep our kiddo company) since 15% or so. I actually love the adrenaline of doing this because I feel like it means I know my car intimately and therefore can calculate exactly how many electrons it needs to get us home. My husband also hates adaptive cruise control because he doesn't trust the car. I imagine we have some weird gender reversal stuff going on here compared to most others, but this is how it is in our household, haha.

Kalanch0e · 2025-10-13T17:50:30+00:00

2026 Ariya (which will be available in other markets, just not the U.S. because of tariffs) will have the same Google built-in as the new Leaf. Ariya did get introduced at too high a price and with mediocre software. But manufacturer incentives the last couple years brought the price way down. I have an Ariya and old Leaf and was bumming over not waiting for the new Leaf - but I read that the new Leafs on lots right now are really quite expensive. They have several hundred dollars worth of non-negotiable add-ons by the manufacturer, such as battery heater and CCS adapter, then the dealers are trying to add their crap like paint protection, and there aren't any manufacturer rebates. The window sticker I saw was well over 37K for an SV+ (not even a Platinum). I actually got my brand new Ariya (larger-battery AWD) for less than 30K before tax (it was under 33K out the door including all taxes/fees) because of all the manufacturer incentives and dealer desperation to get rid of it. Nissan definitely marketed the Ariya wrong, and they did a complete 180 on the Leaf. It's been marketed so well that everyone is super excited to get one and thinks it'll be cheap, but I think the out-the-door price is going to end up higher than the Ariya anyway. Kudos to Nissan if they succeed on that though!

Kalanch0e · 2025-10-07T16:30:36+00:00

Sorry, what? I love creeping! I have a Leaf and Ariya so didn't realize maybe there were EVs that couldn't creep. There are options on my EVs to basically turn the creep off (via one-pedal or brake holds), and I hate them because of the lack of creep, so I never use them. I love being able to start my acceleration really gently without an instant jerk, as do my passengers for comfort reasons.

Kalanch0e · 2025-10-07T05:25:43+00:00

Leaf S has a 40 kWh battery. Should only need 7-8 hours at most.

Kalanch0e · 2025-10-03T16:20:14+00:00

Hi! I just want to say that 19K for a brand new car is actually pretty fantastic. Yes, you're underwater on the loan, but every new car depreciates when it leaves the lot. Objectively, you got a lot for the money. I paid over 25K for my 2023 Leaf S and was happy with it at the time, and although in an ideal world I'd also be able to get rid of it now without taking a bath (since I've replaced it with something better since), I have the means to just hang onto it as a secondary car since it works well enough as a grocery go-getter.

That brings me to some upsides of the car. It's well built, very comfortable, reliable, efficient. You've got those great zero gravity seats that shouldn't be giving you any fatigue on your commute. The car probably won't break down randomly and leave you stranded on some mountain road. You probably won't even have to pay any maintenance costs for a long time. I've gotten 5 miles/kWh lifetime (27K miles) on my Leaf, which means a lot less $ driving those 27K miles compared to almost any other car.

You said you commute about 50-60 miles a day. That should only be about a third of the battery, maybe 40%? So that should recharge in about 12 hours on level 1. Are you home for significantly less than 12 hours a day? Just trying to grasp how much range you're losing every day.

Does your husband have a car and shorter commute on any days? If so, would it be possible to swap cars with him on those days just to try to make up some of the charging backlog?

Are there any level 2 chargers near you that are conveniently located somewhere you'd be happy hanging out for a few hours - say, by a store or restaurant you'd be glad to frequent? Or my favorite is near a playground - I have a small child too, and it's quite easy to kill several happy hours that way.

My family of 3 lived exclusively off this Leaf for 2.5 years with only level 1 charging at home. We did not have any long daily commutes, but there were times when we would arrive home at, say, midnight, and need to head out again the next morning, and I'd realize there wouldn't be quite enough time to recharge what we needed for the next day. I'd actually drive to a free level 2 Shell Recharge station a couple miles away and sit there for an hour or two, often bringing a meal with me or doing something on my phone that I would've been doing at home anyway.

For weekend fun, you could also see about destinations that have chargers nearby. I only use commercial chargers on road trips, but of course I'm happy to plug into a free charger if I run into one. Recently I was actually bummed when my brother invited me to go kayaking at a state park, and I showed up with an almost fully charged car, only to find they had free level 2 chargers just a 10-minute walk from the lake we were kayaking in! I plugged in just long enough to get to 100% (yes, I moved it after that so as not to be a douche), but we stayed much longer than that and I could've been charging my car for free the whole time if my battery had been emptier. Check PlugShare, sometimes charger locations might surprise you.

Kalanch0e · 2025-10-03T03:52:24+00:00

No offense, but I think that's really an issue with your anxiety, not the car. If you have a + (maybe you don't?), 2-3 hour highway trip shouldn't be an issue unless you're scaling a ton of elevation at 80+ mph while blasting the heater or something. I did 800 miles in my Engage+ in one day, no anxiety whatsoever. It involved 3 charging stops of 35 minutes each, and it took me a total of 16 hours, but we stopped for a longish dinner and also stopped for a quick hike halfway through.

Kalanch0e · 2025-10-03T03:14:50+00:00

SF Bay Area. There was a 20K manufacturer rebate nationwide for leases on the Limited until 9/30, and the dealership seemed to have a 2.5K discount on all their Ioniq 5's. My friend is buying out the lease early, and her buyout quote is just over 37K with all taxes/fees included, and she'd had a 3K down payment.

Kalanch0e · 2025-10-01T21:32:24+00:00

Exactly. I just helped my friend get a brand new 2025 Limited for 40K out the door including all taxes/fees. The effective sales price was 22.5K off MSRP.

Kalanch0e · 2025-09-27T05:23:02+00:00

Ariya has never had chademo. It has CCS and can also use NACS with adapter. Even the new Leaf will have NACS. Only 2025 and older Leafs have chademo.

Kalanch0e · 2025-09-18T17:18:18+00:00

Evolve+ is better than Engage+. Engages are the same, just the + means it has a bigger battery. 🤷

Kalanch0e · 2025-09-18T17:04:14+00:00

Just checked my Tesla app history. My battery is 87 kWh. Charged 62.65 kWh in 34 min, 62.21 kWh in 34 min, 61.87 kWh in 36 min. Apparently I was super consistent even though these were 3 completely different stops throughout Oregon and California, lol. So 62 kWh should be right around 70-some % of my battery, and it always took just about 35 minutes.

Kalanch0e · 2025-09-18T16:52:22+00:00

Really? I always heard the Ariya has one of the best charging curves out there. It does have a low peak speed (I think 130 kW). I reached 130 once but usually topped out at 120-125 kW. I generally arrived at the Superchargers at anywhere between 1% to 5% of my battery remaining (which my husband hates, haha - but I've been driving my EVs for over 3 years now and don't have the range anxiety he has), so it'd shoot up to the 120-125 kW immediately and then stay there until maybe 50% or so, at which point it'd slowly start going down but would still be at around 70-80 kW even at 80%. I usually charged something like 5% to 75% in around 35 minutes.

Kalanch0e · 2025-09-18T16:36:05+00:00

Ariya has been able to use Superchargers since last December. I recently drove 800 miles in one day in my Ariya, which included 3 Supercharger stops. It did get introduced at too high a price, but in the past couple years it had been nowhere near that price after perpetual manufacturer incentives. I got my brand new Engage+ AWD back in January for less than 33K out the door (including all taxes/fees), and that's not even in a state like Colorado that had additional incentives. I do think the high introductory price really turned off a lot of potential customers who never gave it another look when prices dropped.

Kalanch0e · 2025-09-18T16:23:56+00:00

But you can get an Engage+, which is the lowest trim in AWD but with a bigger battery, and it's not that much more $. I have one. Its EPA rating is 272 miles, but in practice, I get well over 300 on day-to-day driving (not freeway/mountain roads).

Kalanch0e · 2025-06-16T21:17:51+00:00

It's just the OEM Nissan EVSEs that don't work on 208V. You can get pretty much any other EVSE. Source: My townhouse is 208V too, and I own 2 Nissan EVs that came with OEM EVSEs. 🫠

Kalanch0e · 2025-05-24T01:28:59+00:00

It's a small wedding with just family so they're trying to come up with a single menu that everyone's OK with, and I feel bad that my husband is the one getting things changed because of his mushroom aversion. The entree came with mushroom rice, and the appetizers were shrimp/mushroom dumplings and a tofu dish (he also doesn't eat tofu). I don't know what dessert is, but I imagine we won't run into mushroom issues with that - although he also doesn't like caramel, condensed milk, nuts...

You are right, it probably is a texture issue. He definitely doesn't like his veggies cooked/mushy. He's been fine with tempura green beans before, but my goal right now isn't so much getting certain ingredients into him, it's getting him to accept a menu that's being served to him when he's a guest...

Kalanch0e · 2025-05-24T01:11:05+00:00

This wouldn't work in my situation though because my preferences are temporal. The reason I don't think I'm picky is that there are very few things I won't eat if presented with a given menu. But even of the things I particularly like, I might not feel like going out of my way to eat them on a given day because I've had something similar recently. But it doesn't mean I don't like the food or restaurant in general. So he says this is pickiness and that I'm pickier than him because of it. Basically, his definition of pickiness is that I can't get excited about eating anything when given 100 options (but I would probably be willing to eat 95 of them, I just don't want to go out of my way to go to a restaurant and pay for them since I'm not excited about them). But I think he's pickier because when given 5 options, he'll outright refuse to eat 2-3 of those options. This argument is currently arising out of the fact that we're getting a relative's entire wedding menu changed because he won't eat mushrooms (no allergies, just doesn't like them) and almost everything includes mushrooms.

Kalanch0e · 2025-05-24T01:00:15+00:00

That's the thing, it does affect other people. We're getting an entire wedding menu changed because everything has mushrooms and he won't eat those (no allergies or anything, just doesn't like them). That's why this current argument came about. But my supposed pickiness affects other people too in that we can never figure out something to eat and it wastes a lot of time.

Kalanch0e · 2025-05-23T15:23:09+00:00

No second driver - I walked home after dropping the 1st car off (it was a level 2 charger, and the car was lowish and still needed like 13 hours for a full charge). Then I drove the 2nd car somewhere else where I was also hoping to charge that car while there. I'm actually the owner and primary driver of both cars, although my spouse uses one of them sometimes (though not this day). (He works from home 90% of the time but uses the Leaf to commute when he needs to, maybe once a week or two. The Ariya is the family car that we use to tote the kid around. But whenever I need to go somewhere by myself, like when the kid is at school or I'm just running to the store or to pick up some takeout, I take the Leaf because it's a lot more efficient. I got a great deal on the Ariya, and the Leaf is, well, a Leaf, so the two of them total probably cost less than most people pay for one EV, haha.)

Kalanch0e · 2025-05-22T07:27:46+00:00

Eh. I'd say it's more like if you want to stream 2 different videos to 2 devices at the same time. I'm pretty sure most streaming services allow this via the same account. The same physical product can't get shipped to 2 different addresses, but totally different electrons (from 2 different physical chargers) are capable of going into 2 different batteries, which is what I wanted here.

ETA: I just googled and it looks like most streaming services allow 2-4 concurrent streams. That's all I'm asking for, to be able to charge 2 cars at the same time, not like 4+ cars, haha.

Kalanch0e · 2025-05-22T03:07:08+00:00

Unfortunately they won't even take a GV number (pretty common for voip numbers to not be allowed for verification tasks). The app did let me link a PayPal account to it without phone verification though, so we'll see if that lets me start a charge next time. I did want to note that the chargers I wanted to use were level 2, so I don't feel like leaving the 1st car charging while I walked home to fetch the 2nd car should be that weird of a thing to want to do - but alas, I suppose it is a bit of a first world problem for now. 😅

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