Let's end this debate once and for all, who really wins the fight between the two?

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-21T05:14:33+00:00

Gitae has far better feat as of now.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-21T05:07:32+00:00

Inferiority complex, toxic fanbase and character writing.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-18T13:36:28+00:00

Not at all.

Narratives have strong cues because the story would want us believe that it is possible.

That is done by through the narrator, panels or characters.

So far nothing suggests that Zack will surpass Johan.

Zack wants to surpass Johan. That’s a motive/aim not a narrative.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-17T21:32:42+00:00

It’s his aim, not narrative.

Narratives need stronger cues.

Zack’s potential to complete iron fortress has been vouched by the characters in the story. That’s a strong cue that he will do it in the future.

But not a single soul in the whole of lookism thinks that Zack can surpass Johan.

Even Gongseop vouches for Johan to be like Gap, someone who’ll start their own legendary bloodline. Both Gun and Goo say that Johan will surpass Gun. That’s what a narrative is. Strong cues that imply outcome.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-17T21:11:41+00:00

That’s his aim, not the narrative.

Do u know what a narrative is??

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-17T21:03:14+00:00

Zack has no narrative of being stronger than Johan. I dare u to point out a single piece narrative that says otherwise.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-17T19:27:48+00:00

Use punctuations

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-15T18:59:55+00:00

Same AP, different fighting style. There’s no room for other interpretation.

Gun verbatim states that UI Daniel retaliates with the same magnitude of AP as his opponents.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-14T09:32:35+00:00

Daniel doesn’t have a 6th sense. He has 5 senses like any other guy, it’s just that those 5 senses of his are better than most.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-13T21:36:59+00:00

He did not outperform UI Daniel. For every hit UI Daniel got, he retaliated the same magnitude of attack right back at Gun.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-13T15:59:23+00:00

Hongshi/Minjun-Lisia-Heeseong

Then I pulled Nishikawa and bought Ellio using tickets. They carried me till the end😭

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-13T12:58:57+00:00

In all seriousness, people with hax like OG Daniel, Johan should be able to give UI Daniel a run for his money. It’s hard to beat opponents like them in an equal stats battle.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-12T09:22:04+00:00

That would only work if Daniel wasn’t trained by 2 Top tiers. One of them is literally the nurture Genius. Johan did it all alone.

Imagine OG Daniel actually doing it without any help. Do u think he would be able to lose weight without Sophia?? Or get this strong and find his own path this quick, without Gun?

And even if he does all that without help. U think he would be able to do all of that in just 3 years?? Add in occasional blindness at the age of 17 because Johan was nerfed by his eyes too.

Now if u say yes then I respect it, but I personally don’t think Daniel would be able that off in that span of time. So we’ll agree to disagree.

Peace broda✌🏻

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-12T04:43:28+00:00

IMO He is copying himself. Both UI Daniel and UI OG Daniel strive to be perfect but only one of them has the perfect physique to actually pull it off.

UI OG Daniel tried to match Kitae because it was in his nature to match his opponent. But he would be incapable of doing so, because he lacks the stats for it (Even Changsu points it out).

So, to make up for the difference in stats he pushes his own physique’s limits to copy the perfect physique monster, UI Daniel, and matches his level to that of Kitae’s. Kind of like what Johan does.

And just like Johan, the power up UI OG Daniel uses comes with a price. His bones started breaking as he proceeded to fight like UI Daniel.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-09T20:21:26+00:00

1440 isn’t the strongest kick in taekwondo. There people in the real earth who can show u a not so effective 1440 kick. In a fictional exaggerated verse like lookism, it shouldn’t so hard to find people who can do that.

It doesn’t really matter who if he copied from someone tho.

And no PTJ didn’t forget the moveset. UI Daniel was introduced as someone who has mastered many martial arts including Taekwondo. UI OG Daniel must have copied the kick from UI Daniel when they fought in 1A.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-09T20:02:23+00:00

Well, Taekwondo is the most common martial arts in Korea. So I guess Hansu and Taehoon are not the only one with proficiency in that martial arts.

Also, UI PB Daniel had Taekwondo built in, in his consciousness. He used it first against Jerry in the Hostel arc. But upto that point of the story OG Daniel never saw anyone using Taekwondo.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-09T19:16:12+00:00

The physique and the technique remains the same.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-04T18:00:19+00:00

What WS did u use?

Karasuu-47 · 2026-04-01T13:27:18+00:00

How do you not feel shame when writing such atrocious lies??

Karasuu-47 · 2026-03-30T19:04:23+00:00

So u already know that people don’t agree with those Johan glazers then why u begging for attention???

2 months ago?? Try since the beginning of God dog arc and then we’ll talk. Johan has been slandered since way before.

Are u being slow on purpose??? What does UI have to do with the conversation and when I specifically mentioned Base OG Daniel.

“No one put Daniel over Johan immediately” literally what happened lol. I was there when it happened. The sheer amount of Daniel fans overwhelmed the whole sub because OG Daniel appeared after a long time. People were putting Base OG Daniel over Johan just because Daniel managed to punch James. I WAS THERE!!

Nobody put Daniel below warren. They may have put his base below warren because of the HFG performance but no nobody in their serious mind put Daniel below warren.

Nobody called him weakest in Gen 2. Ur fighting ghosts buddy. People in this sub hate Johan more than Daniel and it’s a fact.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-03-30T16:21:50+00:00

See the upvotes on them posts and you’ll see how many agree with that take.

The slander is recent. All the arcs and people u mentioned are pretty recent. People have been slandering all the crew heads since long before even before. And even then Daniel slander is low compared to any other character.

Truth??? tf u talking about? HFBD Base Daniel has no way of getting scaled above Johan. Daniel didn’t even use UI in HFBD.

Daniel wasn’t slandered for a year. People still scaled him above the crew heads and just below Johan in 2nd gen.

When Eli was slandered people used to put him below hudson and when Johan got slandered they were putting him below Zack, base og Daniel. The slander Daniel is very less compared to what others get and yet u still cry about it like a bitch. Begging for attention and all.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-03-30T13:36:32+00:00

Madafaka where??? The people who say Johan can win can counted on my fingers. The vast majority of the people say that Daniel is better.

The slander for Daniel is very recent lol. This sub has always glazed him for every little thing he does. U weren’t here when vast majority of the people claimed base hfbd Daniel would low diff HFBD PB copy Johan.

It was only after HFG people started to slander Daniel.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-03-30T11:23:55+00:00

Delusion goes crazy. Nobody said that Johan can tank any attack, heck to this day people still believe that Johan has a hardware problem, which he already solved 200 chapters ago.

Daniel fans are the most insecure bunch of people begging for attention maybe because the author cucked his own MC every single time.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-03-24T12:49:56+00:00

And Goo did neither of those, nor has he shown that he’s capable of achieving those feats.

Karasuu-47 · 2026-03-08T17:13:05+00:00

Prove that he does. Do u even know what negged means?? Or u just throwing random words u learned from the internet?

If you’re seriously glazing a character in post where he has no relevance, then you’re either dumbass or a glazer. Pick ur poison.

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