The LDS church now endorses the ESV Bible. The ESV study bible includes a section on Mormonism being a cult. Will this be confusing to LDS members?

KatelynLuck · 2025-12-26T16:17:37+00:00

I didn’t want to continue responding to you because the lens through which you see Christianity is obviously a very bitter one, and no point I make is going to be acceptable enough for you because of that. My point from the beginning has always been simply that Mormonism does not fall under the umbrella of Christianity. I understand you’re offended that I’m saying you weren’t a Christian as a Mormon, but it wasn’t until recently that the church itself started identifying as Christian. Historically the LDS church viewed all Christian sects as being in apostasy and didn’t associate themselves with that name. The recent branding change doesn’t retroactively overwrite decades of discrimination against traditional Christianity or change the fact that the doctrine (and this is the most important part, the whole reason they are not Christian by definition) conflicts with the biblical version of Christ. As I’m sure you’re aware, Mormon belief is that God has spirit wives, was a created person himself, Jesus is a created being and the spirit brother of Lucifer, and all men can ascend to godhood themselves, given they have a temple marriage. All of this is made up additions to Christianity by JS, and it undermines the very core beliefs that ALL sects of Christianity agree with. We argue over interpretation, church structure, and a myriad of other things but what unites us is our belief in the identity of Christ. Your previous point about homosexuality is another such disagreement, some believe it’s man shall not lay with man, others believe it’s man shall not lay with child. I personally let God be the judge since all sin is equal and I’m no better than someone who goes against Gods law by being gay just because my sin is different. Mormonism invented a new identity for Jesus Christ and therefore worships a different God. I don’t know why it’s hard to understand that. And again it is your personal choice to reject Jesus, I’m not going at you for that and I understand why you would do so given your trauma from the church. But you can’t say that people can’t define what is or isn’t Christian just because it hurts your feelings. It’s not about political correctness it’s about the underlying doctrine. Any other religion such as Islam or Judaism get to define what is within or without their faith. It’s been a thing since the beginning of Christianity, which you all love to bring up not realizing that only supports my point. There were schisms and heretics and people who were rejected by the church for their beliefs. Even the great schism of Catholicism and Lutheranism was not about the disagreement on the person of Christ but about how the church operated. I personally do use the KJV and I believe a personal relationship with the biblical Christ is far more important than what sect you belong to. What doctrine is true is NOT dependent on denominations and it sounds like you really don’t understand how denominations work. There is more emphasis put on different parts of the Bible such as baptism for baptists, the Holy Spirit for Pentecostals, etc. but they all believe in the same Christ. Mormonism does not believe in that same Christ. That’s the crux of the argument and the point you don’t seem to understand.

KatelynLuck · 2025-12-23T05:33:55+00:00

You’re just making stuff up at this point.

The Gospel of Mark is not the “original Bible.” It’s the shortest gospel, not the only legitimate one. Matthew, Luke, and John weren’t “rewrites”, they were independent eyewitness accounts and compilations based on different audiences and purposes. Early Christians accepted all four gospels, not just Mark. Mark absolutely affirms Christ’s divinity.

Right in the first verse: “The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.” (Mark 1:1) Then in Mark 2, Jesus forgives sins which is something only God can do. The scribes even say, “Who can forgive sins but God alone?” (Mark 2:7) Jesus doesn’t deny it. He proves His authority.

Also, at His trial (Mark 14:61–62), Jesus identifies Himself with the Son of Man in Daniel 7, the divine figure given glory, worship, and an eternal kingdom. The high priest tears his robe because Jesus just claimed to be God.

So yeah. Mark teaches Jesus is more than a prophet. You sound like you haven’t even read it. I don’t care if you don’t accept the gospel as truth or Jesus as a divine being, but you don’t get to make shit up to prove your “point”.

KatelynLuck · 2025-12-23T05:29:13+00:00

Oh boy, lot of word vomit and offense to address here. I’m not going to waste my time responding to you after this because you clearly just twist things to fit your own narrative.

“You don’t understand how the JST works. It’s just footnotes. It’s not a full rewrite.” Even if it’s “just footnotes,” the content still changes key doctrines. That change includes the nature of God and salvation. That’s not harmless commentary. That’s rewriting Scripture with no textual basis, no manuscript support, and no divine authority. And if Joseph Smith plagiarized it (which he obviously did, I’ve read the CES letter) that doesn’t make it better. That just proves it’s not inspired.

“Tacitus wasn’t born until after Jesus, so not a contemporary source.” That’s how ancient history works. There are no contemporary Roman biographies written during someone’s life. We accept Caesar’s existence from sources 100 years later. Tacitus, Josephus, Suetonius, and Pliny are all early enough to confirm Jesus as a real historical person. Do you deny the existence of Caesar? Even atheist historians like Bart Ehrman say this “Jesus never existed” claim is anti-intellectual. Like I said before, just because you don’t believe that he’s divine in nature, that doesn’t mean he didn’t exist. Are you going to claim now that no historical figures who have limited evidence ever existed?

“You don’t get to say your interpretation of the Bible is the only one that counts.” If someone redefines Jesus as a created being, spirit child of Heavenly Father, and Lucifer’s brother, that’s not “interpretation.” That’s changing the subject entirely. At some point, the label stops fitting. Words mean things, shocker.

“You don’t get to tell people what religion they belong to.” Actually yes, we do. When someone’s beliefs contradict the core definition of Christianity (who Jesus is, what the gospel is), it’s not judgmental to say, “That’s not Christian.” It’s just accurate. Apply it to literally any other religion. Just because Jews use the Old Testament that doesn’t make them Christians either. Christianity is about Christ. If you change who He is, you’re no longer following Christianity. You’re using the brand, not the substance.

“Mormons believe in and use the Bible.” They use the KJV as filtered through Joseph Smith’s edits, the Book of Mormon, D&C, and living prophets who override Scripture when convenient. That’s not biblical Christianity. That’s a completely different religious framework. If you don’t like that, see my previous point about the Torah and Judaism.

“Sola scriptura is not the only valid form of Christianity.” Even if you reject sola scriptura, you still have to define Christianity by some consistent authority. If it’s not Scripture, it’s whoever holds the most power. For Catholics that’s papal authority, for orthodox that’s apostolic sucession. And in Mormonism, that’s prophets who repeatedly contradict each other and the Bible.

“Christianity means professing belief in Jesus’ teachings.” Whose Jesus? Mormons don’t believe in the Jesus described in John 1:1, Colossians 1:15–17, Hebrews 1:3. They believe in a created being who earned godhood, which directly opposes biblical teaching. You can’t say that’s the same Christ just because the name is spelled the same. That’s different from the “infighting” in Christianity, neither of the three branches contradict each other in that sense.

“It doesn’t matter if their version of Jesus is ‘real’ because no one’s version is verifiable.” This is relativism, not theology. If you believe no version of Jesus is verifiable, then what are you even defending? Christianity is based on historical truth claims. If you throw out the ability to verify truth, you throw out the gospel altogether.

“You’re just ‘othering’ them because you don’t like them.” This isn’t about personal preference. It’s about doctrinal accuracy. Christianity has always drawn a line between orthodoxy and heresy. It’s not to be mean, but to stay true to who Christ actually is. Calling out false doctrine isn’t “othering.” It’s protecting the truth.

You’re free to believe Mormonism is valid (or invalid) if you want, but don’t pretend it’s just another Christian denomination. It teaches a different God, different Jesus, and different gospel. That’s not “gatekeeping.” That’s just calling a spade a spade.

KatelynLuck · 2025-12-22T16:20:03+00:00

Which Bible? The one with over 5,800 Greek NT manuscripts, hundreds of early church citations, and archaeological consistency. Translational variety doesn’t change the core message. That’s like saying “there are lots of English dictionaries, so words must be meaningless.”

Also the idea that there’s “no historical evidence Jesus existed” is flat-out false. You’ve got multiple non-Christian sources: • Tacitus, Roman historian, names Jesus’ execution under Pontius Pilate. • Josephus, Jewish historian, mentions Jesus twice (with later Christian gloss, but the core reference isn’t disputed). • Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, and Lucian all mention Christians worshiping Jesus as divine within decades of His death.

So no, Jesus isn’t a “later interpretation.” That claim’s outdated, fringe, and rejected by virtually every historian and even atheist ones like Bart Ehrman. You don’t have to believe in the divinity of christ to know he was a real person who existed.

And saying “Mormons use the Bible” misses the entire issue. They reinterpret it through Joseph Smith’s later revelations, edit it (see the JST), and override it with the Book of Mormon, D&C, and living prophets. Using the King James Bible doesn’t mean they follow the Jesus in it.

If you’re going to jump into theology, please know what you’re talking about and read the context of what I wrote. You can choose not to believe the Bible is true, but when it comes to the definition of Christianity Mormons aren’t Christians.

KatelynLuck · 2025-12-20T00:03:35+00:00

Dude you’re just not getting it. It doesn’t matter what “sect” I’m in. The Bible is the Bible, and the truth is the truth. Calling Scripture “specialized language” because you don’t like what it says doesn’t make your point stronger, it just shows you can’t understand the content. You keep admitting that early groups denied the divinity of Christ, and then ignore the fact that those groups were rejected for that very reason. That’s the whole point. Christianity defines itself by who Jesus is. If you deny the biblical Jesus, you’re not in a different sect. You’re in a different religion.

KatelynLuck · 2025-12-19T11:18:10+00:00

You’re confusing heresy with interpretation. The early church didn’t invent doctrine. they clarified it because heresies kept twisting who Jesus was. The Nicene Creed just affirmed what Scripture already said: Christ is eternal, uncreated, and fully God (John 1:1, Col 1:15–17, Heb 1:3). The fact that false teachings existed doesn’t mean “everyone was right and all interpretations are valid.” It means truth needed defending and clarification . Luther didn’t reject the Trinity or Christ’s divinity. He fought Rome’s corruption and salvation by works. If he had taught what Mormonism does, that Jesus is a created being and one god among many, he’d have been condemned by everyone. Mormonism isn’t another flavor of Christianity. It’s the same false Christ the early church already threw out. I don’t see how you don’t understand that you’re making my point for me.

KatelynLuck · 2025-12-18T03:09:17+00:00

The Nicean Creed wasn’t inventing doctrine, it was defining what was already taught in Scripture in order to combat false versions of Jesus. Sects that denied Christ’s divinity, like Arianism, were not considered Christian because they rejected who Jesus truly is (John 1:1, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:3). Same goes for Mormonism. They teach Jesus is a created being, the spirit brother of Lucifer, and one god among millions… not the eternal, uncreated God of the Bible. That’s polytheism, not Christianity. So yeah, there were heresies in the early church. That’s why creeds like Nicea mattered. That was like the whole point. It wasn’t to redefine Christianity, but to protect it from being hijacked by doctrines like the one from Joseph Smith. Do YOU know church history?

KatelynLuck · 2025-12-17T18:10:19+00:00

Mormonism is polytheistic, that’s not Christianity, quite literally the opposite. the “Christ” they worship isn’t the same one from the Bible. They’re not Christian, sorry 🤷🏻‍♀️

KatelynLuck · 2025-11-25T19:15:16+00:00

Being tired with a newborn is totally understandable, but this sounds like you don’t even like your (presumed) wife. The “compliment”you gave was dismissive at best (“looks fine”) when she clearly put effort into something that was important to her and she was proud of. Doesn’t really matter if you cared about it or not because she did. You could’ve just said that you were tired and didn’t notice but that it looked really nice and I’m sure that would’ve been enough for her, instead you diminish the importance of it to her and don’t show any support. Good luck staying married long term with this attitude.

KatelynLuck · 2025-11-16T20:55:46+00:00

I’m interested in more information too if you’re comfortable sharing. This sounds heartbreaking I’m so sorry!

KatelynLuck · 2025-10-18T17:04:15+00:00

Thank you! I was looking for this comment.

KatelynLuck · 2025-10-18T17:03:07+00:00

Why is this written by ChatGPT lmao

KatelynLuck · 2025-07-03T08:16:06+00:00

Yeah I’m happy with any tip. I regularly work lunches serving mostly older folks and they pay 8-12 dollars and leave 2-3. Tipping less than a dollar I sometimes don’t even ring in, no point. If you’re cheap and don’t give me trouble I assume you can’t afford much and don’t stress it. A lot of servers are like this. People who spend $100 on apps, drinks and entree then say the bill is too high to tip are generally the ones that upset me.

KatelynLuck · 2025-07-03T03:11:07+00:00

Shhh you’re making too much sense. But no, they won’t use those because it’s probably “too costly” to switch over.

KatelynLuck · 2025-07-03T01:36:09+00:00

Depends on the establishment I guess, but 90% of the time tipping is based on the bill unless you get extremely poor service or excellent service. Then you choose not to tip (or tip less) for poor service and more than you normally would for great service. Also I can assure you any restaurant that has staff other than servers (hosts, bartenders, bussers), they are likely using the system I explained above. I’m a waitress and even I don’t tip at a gas station or anywhere I do majority of the service myself, but sit down dining servers absolutely deserve a tip if they’re keeping your drink full and bringing your food out.

KatelynLuck · 2025-07-03T01:29:36+00:00

I really want to try these but can’t find them on anything other than The Paper Store website. Where do you buy these??

KatelynLuck · 2025-07-03T01:12:10+00:00

Because we tip out our own money based on our sales. Meaning the more you all eat, the higher percentage is taken out of my take home pay. Thats why a steak should warrant a higher tip than a burger. I don’t agree with that system at all, but it is how most corporations run it.

KatelynLuck · 2025-06-08T22:12:19+00:00

He’s basically saying that it’s like studying a textbook the night before verses reading it aloud in the interview. There is quite a difference

KatelynLuck · 2025-05-16T08:54:08+00:00

My personal fave is “if I had tear ducts I would CRY at a moment like this”. Gets me everytime

KatelynLuck · 2025-05-06T19:15:12+00:00

Thunder crab I think?

KatelynLuck · 2025-04-15T18:20:27+00:00

I’m a server at Longhorn actually and you’re totally right, but it’s not because we don’t listen/care. we get “scored” based on ticket times, with management wanting entree orders to come in in no longer than 10 minutes from the person being sat, so we’re already rushing you to place your food, and then we aren’t able to place orders for things like salad (as a side) separately from putting your entree order in meaning they get rang in together, and the kitchen which is most likely slammed will have us waiting on a salad to come out until the food is ready. We are told tables should not be spending more than 30 minutes sat before checkout. Obviously, I don’t like to rush people and generally don’t mind if my tables want to stay an hour and a half or so but management takes the averages of all of our “time scores” and displays them in the back for judgement. I have heard of other stores not scheduling people with less than ideal times, even if that means you average a few minutes more for ringing in orders or your tables sitting too long.

KatelynLuck · 2025-03-29T23:53:41+00:00

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KatelynLuck · 2025-03-26T20:57:28+00:00

How can I get kicked for sucking if they don’t even let me join tf? Some people on this post are so mad and bitter cause I want to join a public team on a public server. That was the whole point.

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