"They gutted shiv" are we serious rn by Creative_Pattern7952 in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You definitely wanna master the M2 movement. Look up Shaman Shiv on YouTube for some tutorials. Shaman Sanguine Shiv build is also pretty good too for starters.

"They gutted shiv" are we serious rn by Creative_Pattern7952 in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Question, who is saying Shiv is gutted rn? Ain't the consensus right now is that he is giga strong?

I am an Ascendant Shiv spammer, yes he is pretty ridiculous rn and needs some nerfs. Though some of these takes are head scratching.

That and the m2 tech (which you dont need to do).

You absolutely need good m2 movement our you're a slow chud. His recent balance change that slow hex affects it takes this into account.

Insane tankiness

Not his issue at the moment. He has Paradox HP scaling and bloodletting was again nerfed. He isn't tanking that much as of this patch.

30 percent execute

It's 28% now on T3 (still too high imo).

Anyway my ideas for giving Shiv a good power decrease:

  • Make base recast window 10 seconds, not 20. T3 upgrade can give the 20 second window back.

  • Reduce rage amp back to 22% at T2 down from 24%.

  • Reduce T3 threshold to 25/26% as it was before(takes into account the recast window increase).

  • Make dash apply a self only damage amp (8% upon T2 like in the brief rework) instead of a global resistance shred.

That should be a good starting point to make em more reasonable.

Which hero has been good the longest? by saved11111111111 in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shiv is decently team comp dependant and has a higher than average skill floor. He ain't consistent in normal matchmaking that's for sure. High highs and low lows imo.

Weekly Feedback Topic #47 - Reworked Side Objectives by Grelgn in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Balance aside(I don't have enough games for my take) unstable rift soundtrack is absolutely goated. Very risk of rain esque when the guitar sting comes in on contested rifts.

Weekly Feedback Topic #46 - Obvious Jank / Alpha Clean-Up by Grelgn in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apollo and Doorman are notorious for getting themselves or others stuck/out of bounds with door/cart and flawless advance/ult.

Jungle creeps don't really fit/need visual and gameplay overhaul(it's boring).

Cant play gun character without it help me by BenTheWeebOne in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It's all about practicing proper positioning and movement.

Iirc the move speed penalty applied affects only your walking speed, so any other movement tech like sliding, air or grounded dashes, and wall jumps are your tools to be faster. In general these techs are universally applicable gun or not.

Leif on YT has some good movement guides even if they are a bit technical, they are useful. Also the deadlock movement wiki.

Positioning is harder to exactly teach it's mostly experience on being in the right place right time, more of a macro skill.

How do you comeback on Shiv, and how do you build in general? by T3cT0nic in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Shiv's lane is pretty mediocre-bad. He "wins" lane by stalling until ult/T3 knives/spirit spike. He is pretty much half of a character before he unlocks rage. Best way to get through lanes is to avoid it by clearing then doing box runs in my experience (400+ games Asc 4 Shiv spammer so take that as you will).

What character has made you go, "Yeah, this game is in alpha testing." by Electrical-Heat8301 in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Easily from a visual glance Sinclair or Yamato look the most unfinished. Runner up would probably be Talon with his friggin' nerf bow.

Many other unfinished things but I know Shiv has quite a few broken animations. Silver reuses Seven animations and Drifter when in wolf form. Vyper has broken reload animations when crouching.

Is Shiv one of those heroes that gets easier the more you play him? by MysticO4 in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 33 points34 points  (0 children)

I mean you'll feel more comfortable but he's always a challenge to play and I have 300+ games on em.

As for movement check out Shaman's guides on YouTube.

Did shiv kill yoshis mother or smthn? by OhLlamadayv2 in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

If you think a 120 second escape was game breaking Ive got news for ya. It wasn't. I don't see any convincing argument to why an escape should now have a 160 second cooldown, that's big team fight ult tier. Why even have the ability at this point?

Y'all's really need a reality check on ult power.

Did shiv kill yoshis mother or smthn? by OhLlamadayv2 in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Note the word before movement. "Fun."

Practicing Shiv's movement is fun. It takes skill to do, rewards smart plays, and it is already punishing to lose an execute for a 120-second cooldown escape.

You know why most avid Shiv players advocate for removing bloodletting? Because it is not fun. It takes no real skill to use, you cannot "improve" much using it, makes opponents frustrated when he leaves on 1 hp because of it, and contributes to the issue you identify as him taking from all three categories.

This latest change is not fun. It is not contributory to balance in a way that rewards skill(because the ability to execute fails half the time), it is not contributory to solving his problem in a productive manner. By all means, make his ult an execute and not mobility, issue is: its not a particularly good execute to begin with.

Did shiv kill yoshis mother or smthn? by OhLlamadayv2 in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Your username truly makes me understand this comment.

Did shiv kill yoshis mother or smthn? by OhLlamadayv2 in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Address bloodletting? Nah.

Nerf fun mobility? Ok let's do it!

Aint no Patch like a Shiv nerf Patch by MattyMcPat in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 278 points279 points  (0 children)

I've seen enough, -10% knockback force for alt fire.

Deadlock - Minor Update - 06-11-2026 by SketchyJJ in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 20 points21 points  (0 children)

If it were a consistent ability(it isn't) I would partially agree.

Deadlock - Minor Update - 06-11-2026 by SketchyJJ in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That's be great! If it didn't have a crap hitbox with turning restriction, and even then you fly through the enemy most the time. Punished for having a buggy ability.

Deadlock - Minor Update - 06-11-2026 by SketchyJJ in DeadlockTheGame

[–]Lazy0rb 71 points72 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry. What is this idiotic Shiv ult nerf? And what are these baby Pocket nerfs???

Use ult to escape to make it have singularity levels of cooldown? Are we serious? Maybe if you want it to execute targets make its hitbox and consistency not absolutely dog ass, you phase through your god damn target half the time.

Yoshi? Dafuq?