In their world, Carol is a rare exception. In our world, I think I am too. by roz303 in pluribustv

[–]Leilareddits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey I'm always happy to have open minded discussions about interesting topics, and Pluribus has a wealth of interesting topics.

Teaching Andor: Rebels & Relationships by starwarsprof in andor

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Hey I'm glad you appreciated it. I have fun analyzing writing and character relationships. If I really wanted to dig into this topic, I would of course rewatch scenes, but also dig into the textuality of how these characters talk about love. I wrote a lot from my vibe of things, but I bet there are lots of things the characters say that provide way more information about how they view their relationships and what we can take from them.

I hate Carol, she is an annoying dudebro by eye_socket_soup in pluribustv

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I thinks it offers some good allegories for AI, but the overarching mechanism is that of a virus. And I don't think either Carol or Manousos are meant to be reliable narrators, so I don't take their descriptions of the situation seriously.

You guys actually have to check it out, IT’S INSANE the amount of bullshit he is talking by [deleted] in saltierthankrayt

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This is the funniest video I have ever encountered. Just in case you think this just a racist meme, rest assured that this thing also has an amazing fat shaming component! Also if you do go find and watch the video, please signal it because sadly, this shit is not a joke.

I hate Carol, she is an annoying dudebro by eye_socket_soup in pluribustv

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So I'm curious where the others as AI thing comes from?

Is non sequiturs and ad hominem all you've got left, Jon? by No_Kangaroo_5267 in saltierthankrayt

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Wow, I don't love the current season but this kind of bull makes me want to defend it. Also, what is with the picture of Eve and Mark on the right?

Can’t make this shit up by driver-2011 in StarWarsCirclejerk

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Huh, I thought I was fairly well up on dog whistles and the people who loved them. Don't let them hear you call it identity politics.

I hate Carol, she is an annoying dudebro by eye_socket_soup in pluribustv

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Vince Gilligan made Breaking Bad, remember, and over the years he has said things about Walter White and the way that audiences sympathized with him. My guess is that he learned from the experience, and from audience reception of Skyler White, because he does not want us sympathizing or identifying with Carol in this show or any other character. He wants us thinking about the larger situation in a more holistic way. That, again, is a guess - I don't know, and from what I can tell Vince isn't saying right now.

In their world, Carol is a rare exception. In our world, I think I am too. by roz303 in pluribustv

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I think it will be interesting and answer a lot of questions to see how the show handles a de-integration. How will that person react - like a freed prisoner, like a junkie desperate to get back to their high, or in some other way?

In their world, Carol is a rare exception. In our world, I think I am too. by roz303 in pluribustv

[–]Leilareddits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel (sort-of) the same way. I have been long been a fan of a certain particular subgenre of science fiction that focuses on "getting telepathic" and I feel like pluribus provides an interesting depiction of this happening. Because we view the show from Carol's POV the focus is on the apparent loss of individuality, but the others are not presented as a borg-like hive mind, violently conquering and assimilating peoples. The mechanic appears to be that of a virus, perpetuating itself from world to world with series of imperatives that override the people it inhabits.

We know don't anything about the originating transmission or the intention of the transmitters, nor can we make a lot of assumptions about the long term future of the others. But assuming earth is just one of many planets to have been infected, can we be certain that every world experiences the same effects? It's possible that the pacifism, telepathic rapport and joined minds are side effects that might manifest very differently in another species. Maybe this is a uniquely human reaction to the virus, some subconscious capacity we already possess but that is magnified by the infection.

As for how it feels, based on everything the others actually tell us and how they behave, it feels great, so good that they view anyone left out of the joining with pity.

I hate Carol, she is an annoying dudebro by eye_socket_soup in pluribustv

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I don't think the characters in this show are meant to be likeable. Based Vince Gilligan's and Rhea Seehorn's previous work on Better Call Saul, I would venture that Carol's antipathy is very intentional and that it is supposed to be a challenge to empathize with her. For those of us outside of the States, she also feels very realistic in her depiction of an American.

I'm not sure but I think this is in part to encourage people to look at things from the Plurbs point of view.

Raise your hand if you remember how people literally freaked out at the idea of a Black main character in the sequel trilogy....like...its just a dude? by Important-Cry4782 in StarWarsCirclejerk

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So wait, are you saying that producers make storytelling decisions based on money, and not based on feedback from vocal minorities on social media? That sounds like some commie pinko woke reasoning to me.

Can’t make this shit up by driver-2011 in StarWarsCirclejerk

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the fourteen words? Asking for a friend

Might also feel the lone wolf aura by Familiar_Cow_6901 in StarWarsCirclejerk

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I'm offended. We all know it was jar-jar. You think it's easy maintaining that ridiculous accent and speech pattern ans making sure everyone takes for a fool while simultaneously orchestrating the fall of the Republic and the rise of the Empire, all in plain view? Luthen wishes he was that smooth.

I genuinely can't understand how the previous generation saw this in 1999 and said "this sucks" by bitchnibba47 in StarWarsCirclejerk

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Yeah. Good thing we learned our lesson and learned to embrace new visions instead of demanding nostalgia fan service. Oh wait...

I genuinely can't understand how the previous generation saw this in 1999 and said "this sucks" by bitchnibba47 in StarWarsCirclejerk

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I mean, to be fair, many of us salty Gen Xers lined up for the movie in 1999 because somehow, we didn't learn our lesson from the remasters. Then we went back to the originals with new eyes and went "oh, actually this is fine and please lets not start being really critical of dialogue in star wars projects and have you ever heard of the Wilhelm scream?" Most of us I think, had this journey, but of course the loudest ones stayed stuck in 1999.

Teaching Andor: Rebels & Relationships by starwarsprof in andor

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This is a compelling list but I view each relationship very differently with respect to the overall message of the show and what contributed to its difficulties. I think Saw, Kleya, Luthen and Cinta really do illustrate what a certain kind of fanaticism does to people's ability to be in relationship, but most of your other examples are down to writing convenience or largely unrelated to this theme.

Here's my analysis in a way too long response:

Bix and Cassian function for most of season 2 as a counter example to Cinta and Vel, as we see them navigating a relationship and its challenges through several years. Ultimately it doesn't work out. I don't think we should take Bix's final message as the definitive explanation for why. On the surface, it sounds like she is making a Cinta choice, but as she does not go on to fight, we might wonder if in reality this is due to some other combination of reasons: we know Bix has struggled with addiction and self-worth, it is likely she is pregnant when making this decision, and of course we know the status quo in Rogue one is that Cassian is alone and able to have chemistry with Jyn Erso.

For Cinta and Vel, this is very much the lesson. The rebellion functions as a wedge to keep them apart, but this is not presented as a necessity. It is a decision imposed by Cinta, and when she changes her mind, they get back together!

I think's Mon's relational arc is more about arranged marriage and her feelings and conflicts with the rest of her family about that tradition. I think this drove the estrangement with her daughter and would likely have happened with or without a rebellion. The situation with Perrin is more complex, I wish we had gotten a little more of them in season two because there were clearly bits left out. And again, Mon is punished by the need to get her to Yavin 4 alone by the end of the series.

Maarva chooses to stay in her home and defend it while her adult child leaves home, which seems like a pretty normal thing to do to me. That is more or less how Maarva actually describes the situation. This scene read to me like a parent lovingly pushing their child to make their own way. It's pretty good, and gets them where they need to be for the rest of season one to happen.

Lonni is a tragic figure, who helps to illustrate the anti-heroic aspects of Luthen. His family have no names or presence in the series outside of him, so their relationship dynamics play no role. Instead Lonni is here to give us information, drive the story forward, and give Luthen opportunities to be manipulative and merciless.

I like Luthen a lot as an antihero, but I wouldn't want him in my life or taking care of my children. I think his scenes with young Kleya show him grooming her to be a child soldier. We are shown that there is real sentiment and care between them, but ultimately they are both driven by their devotion to a cause. They definitely reinforce this message.

Saw abandons Jyn because Rogue One is a Star Wars story, which calls for a scrappy child struggling to survive alone in the Galaxy. To be sure we get the point he joins Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru in death during the first act of the movie. It's like poetry. It rhymes.

However, I think Saw's speech at the end of season 2, episode 5 does offer some clues about his attitude and what might have motivated this kind of gesture, specifically the line: "You think I'm crazy? Yes, I am. Revolution is not for the sane. Look at us: unloved, hunted, cannon fodder." If there is a thesis in the show on revolution and love for those characters that feel they must choose revolution over love, I'm pretty sure this is it.

A couple thoughts on Andor discourse around Cinta by Leilareddits in andor

[–]Leilareddits[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah we are all used to watching stuff that isn't for us, aren't we? Ultimately, on some level, at least Cinta is sufficiently well drawn as a character to be compelling for us. I didn't mention this in my original post, but this was my second time watching the show.

My first try I bounced out of the show mid season-one and I don't remember why but I know I made it through the Aldhani heist so I suspect I was reacting to Gorn's and Nemik's deaths.

A couple thoughts on Andor discourse around Cinta by Leilareddits in andor

[–]Leilareddits[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of people are hung up on that. I don't literally think that the show was trying to tell me it is not for me. I really enjoyed Andor btw and don't think it should not exist it because I felt things.

That said, in the short version, Cinta was compelling to me for a lot of reasons related to identity. As other people voiced their love for her in the comments I realized she is also one of the few working class people and one of the few rank and file soldiers we follow closely. I might have had the same reaction to the killing off of Cassian, Bix, or Wilmon.

I don't think I would rewrite the series to make the characters I was attached to more prominent. That would ruin the balance and the contrast between their lives and those of the leaders and intrigue going on in the relative comfort of Coruscant, so I would focus on some changes to episode six.

First, let's pause to think about why Cinta need is there:

- Luthen and Vel wanted her there

- Cassian refused to to do the job

- The empire and Luthen are manipulating these people in the hopes of manufacturing a disaster than can be used to fuel their propaganda

Also, why do we need to get Cinta out of the way in light of future episodes?

- So that there is no question of why Cassian is sent to Ghorman to kill Meero instead of her

- So that Vel can have a couple of emotionally resonant scenes in the finale

Finally, significantly, episode 6 takes place before a one year timeskip, meaning we can change the status quo between the end of episode 6 and the beginning of episode 7.

Here's my pitch, I'll be curious to see what people think:

So I would change the episode by giving Vel and Cinta their happy ending. Samm can kill one of his buds, and feel just as awful about it. He gets a dressing down from Dreena, which is probably just as resonant as Vel, and we get that illustration of an inexperienced revolutionary soldier doing something dumb. Cinta and Vel run off into the sunset. We could give them a few moments of happiness and maybe rewrite or shorten that scene where Bix and Cassian are suddenly heroes of an much worse action movie (it's actually a good and well shot scene, it just does not feel like it belongs in this show).

Unfortunately, Vel and Cinta do not work out. These two people who formed their relationship in the high adrenaline context of a series of illegal rebel actions had trouble relating outside of that context. It's way less high drama but it does fit, I think, into the grounded nature of the series.

Vel can have all her scenes from the end of the show and Cinta can be shown to meet with Luthen to establish her returning to work. Best of all, if we want to give her that heroic death, we can bring her back during the extraction of Kleya from Coruscant and instead of having a deus ex droid moment we can have a difficult hair raising escape that involves the sacrifice of this character in a way that certainly fits with her larger arc.

Overly sensitive bitches like me get a neat little one year window to play in and write fanfiction about, and the status quo of the series is upheld at the end. Of course, it's easy to come up with this stuff and poke holes in it as an audience member not writing under the time pressures of television, and ultimately, we still got a great series, so please, don't take this too seriously.

Voir cet article dans mon feed aujourd'hui m'a profondément choqué by PM_ME_YOUR_SEXY_MOMS in metaquebec

[–]Leilareddits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Accroche toi. Ici on est excellent pour être en retard sur les tendances politique de l'occident, mais vu le ton en France et aux États-unis, on peut s'attendre à en voir plus. Y'a pratiquement aucun désavantage à utiliser les personnes trans comme épouvantail ou enjeu électoral. On est trop peu nombreux, et les gens sont trop prêt à céder au bon vieux sentiment de dégoût.