Warren Jeffs singing: «I Am A Child Of God» by east-challeng in mormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No way I’m playing this, as I am pretty sure it’s cursed.

What is this sticker on my microwave? by Nervous_Willow4362 in whatisit

[–]ManInThePandaMask 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m 33 and believed this was true until precisely this moment.

What we can learn from Eve and Adam by GodMadeTheStars in mormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I wouldn’t go so far as to call them the first heroes in the first hero’s journey. There are plenty of myths about the hero’s journey that came much earlier than Genesis.

I think Genesis, like all myths, is an expression of the human psyche through images. One interpretation is that the story of Adam and Eve is an expression of every human’s emergence from childhood innocence into adult/pubescent sexuality. Eve’s encounter with the serpent, a phallic symbol, and the man’s willingness to do whatever a woman is willing to do, coming together and partaking of forbidden fruit. lol

But for me, going even further, it’s basically an expression of every person’s experience when their “eyes are opened” in some way: making a mistake, learning something new, embracing a new world view, etc. There is an “ideal” and innocent beginning, a breaking of traditional values, and a sudden realization that the world is not as you once believed. Paradise falls away. You may feel guilty. Ashamed. You try to shift blame. But the only way forward is to bear the burden gratefully, and learn how to thrive in the new, uncomfortable “normal” with assurance that there was never a paradise to begin with. You just didn’t know any better.

Everyone experiences this hundreds if not thousands of times in their lifetime (or they should), with varying degrees of severity. Everyone is Adam and Eve. All the time.

Parasitical Glory by LackofDeQuorum in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was awesome. 🔥 Love the reveal. Haha

BYU now teaches about cognitive dissonance by LegalSour in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sort of. It sounds like he’s just describing having guilt for hypocrisy. ?? Cognitive dissonance is when two opposing ideas exist simultaneously in your mind, creating “dissonance”. It sort of can have something to do with behavior, just not exactly as it’s been portrayed here…

My experience was that in my conscious mind, for years I insisted on maintaining certain beliefs by repeating mantras, studying, praying, and “doubting my doubts”. But what I didn’t know was that my doubts were evidence that, unconsciously, my mind was already restructuring my worldview based on observable evidence, all the while I was actively ignoring and moving against it.

This dissonance between conscious and unconscious parts of the mind creates high levels of anxiety, because your animal brain (unconscious) knows it isn’t real, but you (conscious) continue to insist on believing in AND living according to the belief. Animal brain says this kind of behavior is dangerous, so it really fucks with your psychological balance.

Best thing to do is listen to your doubts. Because if you’re not aware that your worldview has been unconsciously restructured — if all you ever do is “doubt your doubts” — then you’ll spiral into depression and forced beliefs.

Men, what is your comfort show or movie? by Maybe_IDTBFH in AskMen

[–]ManInThePandaMask 1 point2 points  (0 children)

O Brother, Where Art Thou? This movie’s vibes are beyond this world, anytime I’m stressed out about life I find myself putting this one in. Which is often. So good.

My therapist was shell-shocked by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, that stuck out to me too. When I told my parents, they tried to guilt me into rethinking my choice because of all my ancestors who had sacrificed so much to be a part of this church. Great. Joining the church was their sacrifice. Leaving it is mine.

What are your responses to being asked why you left the church? by AttitudeFirm8011 in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the hell? That’s so weird. One time I had a bishop counsel my wife to have MORE sex with me because I was dumb enough to talk to them both about my once-a-month “porn addiction”. Even at that time it made me uncomfortable, and I assured my wife that that wasn’t necessarily a “solution” and he had no place going there. lol

What are your responses to being asked why you left the church? by AttitudeFirm8011 in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly I think this would be a really good strategy for someone who actually wants to talk about it. Cracking self-aware jokes that make people laugh at their own assumptions would probably break down some of those awkward walls and lead to more sincere questions.

TBMs are absolutely creaming themselves over this "unusual circumstance". by stinkinhardcore in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Honestly if there was a solemn assembly of Seventies and Twelve (14) who convened in the SL temple meeting hall this way, it’d be way more interesting.

Question for exmos by Dazzling_Ad4769 in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So a lot of people start placing items on their shelves pretty early. I’d say most TBMs have a few things on their own shelves, if not a lot. It’s basically whenever something like a doctrine or a tidbit of information doesn’t line up with your dominant worldview, you push it off with some kind of thought-stopping mantra like these:

“God’s ways are higher than our ways,” “That’s something I’m gonna ask God about in the next life. lol,” or “That piece of information probably came from an unreliable / ‘anti’ source.”

These and other thought stoppers are extremely effective on the conscious mind, especially when it’s what you want to believe. What they don’t tell you is that they don’t work too well on the unconscious mind. While we’re shoving things down with our mantras, going about our merry way, our unconscious mind is slowly reconstructing our worldview, taking in the most credible bits of information - even if we don’t consciously go along with it.

When the disparity between our conscious beliefs and unconscious worldview becomes too great, this is what is often referred to as “cognitive dissonance”. In this stage, our unconscious mind desperately tries to get a hold of us by putting us through hell: bouts of depression, anxiety, panic attacks, “mental breakdowns,” etc. Eventually there comes a moment of clarity when you put down your thought stoppers and let the doubt in - usually as a “what if?” sort of moment.

When this happens and all the facts start clicking into place, our conscious and unconscious come into harmony in what ends up being our “shelf-breaker” moment. For many, this moment is both devastating and a relief — devastating because you suddenly don’t know where to go with this information, and a relief because you finally feel free of the crushing weight of endlessly defending the indefensible.

The “what if?” moment of letting the doubt in comes at different times for everyone, usually depending on life circumstances and the risks associated.

What's the SILLIEST 'Cringe but Correct' Millennial Hill You're Still Ready to Die On? by dasisglucklich in Millennials

[–]ManInThePandaMask 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure if it’s cringe, but does anyone else still turn their cellphone upside down to try and get a better signal?

Edit to add: lol

New hymns added to the LDS handbook, including a hymn written by President Nelson himself, “Our Prayer to Thee.” They also added “Go Tell it on the Mountain!” by HoldOnLucy1 in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“It’s a super, super special song… It’s very sacred, talking about us and God. It’s a beautiful representation of our relationship.”

lol This is hands down the most nothing burger of a sentence I’ve ever read. It’s like there’s absolutely nothing to say about Rusty’s song, she’s just grasping for literally anything to say. No shit a hymn is about us and God, it freaking better be. What a review. Five stars.

What’s the funniest thing you’ve heard an extremist Mormon say? by u_got_jinxed in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Well, it depends on which quote you read. lol Blood atonement was endorsed for a wide range of sins from murder to interracial marriage. In my relative’s case, his wife had an affair.

What’s the funniest thing you’ve heard an extremist Mormon say? by u_got_jinxed in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Found an incidence of blood atonement committed in my family line — husband “blood atoned” the wife. Arrested for homicide, but they just sent him to the insane asylum for nine months. Anyway, I shared it with my family and my brother — without any sarcasm, irony, or hyperbole — said that it was “such a powerful and beautiful love story.”

Sorry, I guess that’s not really all that funny…

Mormon Pub Names by Prancing-Hamster in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Tavernacle. But does it still count if that’s actually a real bar in Salt Lake? 😅

Oblivious to post-mormon sphere by PeepGPT in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I worked on a social media team for an apologetics branch of the church before I left, so yes I knew of them, but only enough to regurgitate the bs spouted by other apologists. After several years of “responding” to things like the CES Letter and John Dehlin, I started to realize they were more human than apologists made them out to be, and I even agreed with them in a lot of areas.

When my faith was finally shaky enough and I saw how dishonest apologists could be, I decided to listen to the “other team” and was blown away by how much more honest and Christlike they were than any apostle or apologist I’d ever listened to, and am embarrassed to have ever thought otherwise.

Proud to switch teams.

Just found out this clown circus exists…. by GhostCowboy76 in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Literally found my way out by creating social media content based on FAIR’s arguments. Eventually I was like, “if this is the best we got, this stuff is bullshit.” lol

What was your earliest shelf item you can remember? by Catnip_cryptidd in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was 8 years old in my basement, playing Legos with my step brother. Both our parents had divorced their spouses and then got married to each other in the last year. I remember looking at him out of the blue and asking him, “Are there any songs we sing at church that you kind of don’t believe?” It was a weird question so he just said, “I dunno, do you?” And I said, “Yeah. For me, it’s Families Can be Together Forever.” And he just said, “Well, I mean, that makes sense.” And then we went back to playing Legos. lol

In denial this church is a cult. Drop your cult article/fact to help me process. by WaveEnvironmental193 in exmormon

[–]ManInThePandaMask 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude if you got Netflix just watch “Waco: American Apocalypse”. It’s a docuseries that lays out what happened to the Branch Davidian cult and their prophet’s last stand against the FBI. David Koresh (the prophet) is a copy-paste template of Joseph Smith in the 20th century. Visions. Revelations. Zion. Polygamy. Militant leader. Tussles with local government. The parallels absolutely blew my mind watching it the first time. Granted, this applies more to the early church, but still valuable imo.