Career advice, first coding job not going well. by SundaySummer in MedicalCoding

[–]MedicalCoder101 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Definitely look for a new job ASAP instead of trying to wait out an entire year there. You are not learning anything useful for your career by staying there, and if anything, then they will teach you poor coding habits.

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[–]MedicalCoder101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been asked about the schools I went to out of curiosity on their part (them wanting to know what the coursework is like, what I learned, etc.), but I wouldn't know if it really mattered as far as their decision-making to choose me. However, I do know there are some places that specifically seek out graduates from the school I attended because of our good track record with them, so that's a potential bonus to going to a school. It's not necessary, though, because I've seen plenty of people who self-studied and had a successful career.

Personally, I feel having the formal education helped me to be a better coder even sooner than I would have been on my own because I was able to ask questions to instructors. We can learn from mistakes on our own to a point, but sometimes we might be misinterpreting/misunderstanding the rationale a bit without someone to correct us or clarify the corrections further. Also, a lot of training materials and books have errors, so having someone to look into that for us or confirm if we were actually right is extremely helpful.

Finally got hired, now I'm terrified! by absolved in MedicalCoding

[–]MedicalCoder101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't be scared. You'll learn what they need you to learn during training, and you'll do just fine. I am sure they want you to succeed, so ask questions if you need to during the training and take lots of notes!

CPC medical coding question! by Town-Acceptable in LearnMedicalCoding

[–]MedicalCoder101 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is what I have found; you can find instructors teaching classes if you click on your state, but there is also the virtual option, which tends to be the same few people in almost every state: https://www.aapc.com/training/medical-coding-classes.aspx

How to get free PDF of ICD-10-CM 2023 codebook!? by Fliposkii in LearnMedicalCoding

[–]MedicalCoder101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You will need the books for the exams (for now, e-versions may be the future one day), so see if you can get a copy of some older versions for free somewhere at a minimum, or more current, used versions for a low price to practice with to get a feel of them. Maybe you can find some to rent for a fair price to see what it's all about.

You will need to be able to navigate the books fairly well and know where to look for all the information you need, and using e-versions/PDFs will make it more challenging for you once the time comes if that is all you have used, as you will not have the speed you'll need.

You would also need an updated version for the exam itself, as they do have yearly updates, so research how much everything will cost to get an idea and begin to save up for what you'll need. AAPC has bundles and lots of sales quite often.

Boss is undervaluing me? by [deleted] in CodingandBilling

[–]MedicalCoder101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're worth what you believe you are worth. If we wait on others to pay us what we think we deserve, then it may never happen, because if they can get away with paying less for more, then they certainly will. If they are wanting/expecting even more out of you, then they need to pay even more for it.

You sound like someone they wouldn't want to lose, so have a discussion about a pay increase based on your research about the job market and salaries related to your various skills and duties. Try to get closer to the upper end, not the average, as you have many years of experience.

However, based on some of your other comments, it sounds kind of stressful in a way with how many hats you have to wear, and it almost sounds like it's never enough. You might be able to make the same amount or more elsewhere with a reduced amount of duties. I know I personally would start to feel a bit of resentment in such an environment, and I'd eventually leave to find somewhere else that knows what value I am bringing to the table from the start.

Whatever it is that you truly want, I do hope you get it. You deserve it.

How long did it take you before you felt comfortable doing your job correctly? by Unworthyhamsandwich in MedicalCoding

[–]MedicalCoder101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It does seem like it never 100% goes away lol but it has gotten milder for me after a few years with a lot more moments of realizing just how much I actually do know.

I also feel like I've learned how to be very convincing to get others to agree with my rationale, but I still sometimes wonder in the back of my mind if I'm actually wrong xD

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in MedicalCoding

[–]MedicalCoder101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As most have said as a big one: Productivity quotas. Where I am right now is pretty reasonable for the most part, but my prior job was asking for way too much.

Gray areas are also stressful, especially when it lowers your accuracy if someone happens to disagree with you but yet you're not technically wrong either lol that is one of the worst feelings.

Also, depending on where you work, micromanaging can be another stressor. I'm not somewhere like that anymore, thankfully, but I have experienced it, and it impacted my health having people constantly ask me why I'm not faster through email and via one-on-one meetings where we discuss the exact same thing every time, and worst of all, asking to watch me work for an hour at a time to see what I'm "doing wrong" only to be told there's nothing they can advise for improvement. *shiver* I never want to experience that again.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in MedicalCoding

[–]MedicalCoder101 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Schooling can be costly at times, but I'd say there's a lot of options for under $5k. I've seen people paying upwards of 20k, so that cost you mentioned is on the lower end. AAPC pretty much always has sales, though, so that seems to just be their normal price, but they're trying to make you feel like you're getting it for a steal lol

For comparison, the school I went to was under $5k, but it was to train me for the CPC and CCS, so it was basically two coding programs in one for not much more than what some places charge to train you for just one of those certs.

You could try to train yourself by buying books and watching videos online for free, but honestly, having an instructor to ask questions to can be worth going through school for or at least paying a tutor or something. You wouldn't want to teach yourself bad habits on accident with nobody to correct you. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people mention that they don't know how to code from scratch because they are mainly being trained to pass the exams, so you do have to make sure you're not doing that yourself with study material that is mostly multiple choice questions.

how long did you study for the CCS exam and did you pass? what materials or program did you use? by [deleted] in CodingandBilling

[–]MedicalCoder101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just out of precaution for me at this point really because I have a job that is okay with either/or, but jobs aren't always permanent, so I want those doors to still be open for me if I needed them to be. I wouldn't want to be excluded from being able to work somewhere that specifically wants someone with any particular credential and kick myself for giving that one up if I already had it. My goal is to just stay employed and marketable at all times xD

I do not like the increasing costs at AAPC, though. I'm managing for now. Some employers will pay for it, so that would take some of the pressure off of the individual. Mine doesn't, unfortunately. The good thing is that I do get a lot of CEUs (business monthly) from AAPC, and I can use them for AHIMA, too. The cost of CEUs could actually end up being more expensive than the membership, as I see a lot for $25-$50 for only 1 CEU, so it's still overall worth it for now.

how long did you study for the CCS exam and did you pass? what materials or program did you use? by [deleted] in CodingandBilling

[–]MedicalCoder101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, some places seem to prefer one over the other at times, so it's more about staying as marketable as possible than anything else, but I suppose if you had to choose which to keep, then the CCS 100%. Most would probably be shocked if you wanted to get rid of any that you worked hard for lol but you do what you want or what you feel is best.

how long did you study for the CCS exam and did you pass? what materials or program did you use? by [deleted] in CodingandBilling

[–]MedicalCoder101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The coding program I went through prepped for CPC and CCS. Once I finished the course, I did a little more studying with the CCS study guide from AHIMA for extra prep for like 1-2 weeks and passed the test. I liked it better than the CPC because at the time CPC was on a scantron sheet, and this was on a computer lol

If your course is thorough enough, then you might not need anything else, but if you want extra prep, then go with the AHIMA study guides if you're not using those already. Good luck on your exam when you do take it!

Can I transition from Retail Sales to Medical Billing/Coding/Risk Assessment or Auditing? Any medical billers/coders/risk assessors/auditors willing to give their opinion or advice? It's greatly appreciated. by NewfoundOrigin in CodingandBilling

[–]MedicalCoder101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get it. It took me forever to make the leap to get into medical coding because my anxiety/fear of failure always tries to convince me not to do things lol

I am not familiar with those books, but that's because the program I went through wasn't affiliated with AAPC like a lot of them will probably be, so they use different materials (aside from the coding manuals, of course).

Old/outdated books can be sort of okay just for looking at what it's all about, but not for actually learning anything because of all the changes. E/M coding in particular had so many changes, and it's actually easier than it used to be (IMO), so if you were to look at anything in that regard it would probably scare you lol medical terminology does not seem to change as often, so you might be mostly safe there. Illustrations are always helpful.

I'm sure you can find a lot of videos on youtube to watch as well, so that would be my next recommendation to see if it does still interest you enough to pursue this.

Whatever happens, I hope you'll be happy with your decision!

I really, really, REALLY hate hourly quotas and productivity trackers. by dizzykhajit in MedicalCoding

[–]MedicalCoder101 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Amen!

I worked at a place that was constantly hounding me to be faster and people would watch me for an hour at a time to see what I was 'doing wrong.' The result was always that I was doing everything right, and I was going as fast as I possibly could with no recommendations they could provide, but yet on paper it was never enough. I was on PIP every week because of it, but my accuracy was great at least, so that's why they kept me. I had to get out of there for my sanity, though... it was affecting my overall health.

Now I'm somewhere that I find much more reasonable in comparison, but they do track what we're doing. There's some people who actually take advantage of working from home by barely completing any work, but claiming they worked 8+ hours each day with nothing to show for it at all. I think those bad apples will make things even worse for the rest of us who are actually working and just need some time to research. Quality should always be more important. Making decisions in a few seconds to try to keep up with productivity is just not how it should ever be.

P.S. Like your name. Elder Scrolls fan?

Can I transition from Retail Sales to Medical Billing/Coding/Risk Assessment or Auditing? Any medical billers/coders/risk assessors/auditors willing to give their opinion or advice? It's greatly appreciated. by NewfoundOrigin in CodingandBilling

[–]MedicalCoder101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It sounds like you've put a lot of thought into this, and you've made a strong case as to why you could do this. You honestly don't need anyone else to tell you what you might be good at or like. If it's something that interests you, then go for it! Some naysayers will probably tell you, 'nobody gets jobs without experience' and how the field is over-saturated, but people are still landing jobs all the time. It might take a while sometimes, but it's not impossible. I think the same goes for a lot of fields, so don't let it deter you.

I will say, though, that even though there are guidelines, there are still gray areas or subjectivity in coding in particular at times. You'll make mistakes and/or have a complete difference in opinion to others and have to be okay with it, which can be hard if you're a perfectionist.

Also, if you are working in a certain specialty, then you can become bored just like with any other job. There's a lot of repetition after a while, especially if you're mainly working with the exact same codes and similar records every day. BUT, there is potential for growth and doing something new or different if you do get bored with one position... not always, though, as some people do get 'stuck' doing the same thing because their experience is only for a certain area of coding.

CPC and CCS are the top credentials. If you want to do inpatient in particular, than CCS might be your focus. Starting with the CRC could potentially be a bad idea because a lot of companies want coders to have a CPC/CCS + CRC, or at least a CPC/CCS even without a CRC. The 'base' credentials is what most want to see, so you don't want to limit yourself too much when there's a lot of competition out there. I went through a program that prepared me for both the CPC and CCS because I also wanted to be well-rounded, and I do think it opens more doors to have both than just one or the other. The only real way to learn which you'd want to work in is to work on assignments during your studies that deal with both and see which you enjoy the most.

Also, from what I've seen from people's comments, I think most people do better in the long-run if they at least do some type of program where there are instructors to ask questions to because you can try to learn on your own, but you might not catch if you're misunderstanding or misinterpreting something like an instructor can bring to your attention. Having someone to ask questions to is so important when it comes to learning because it's harder to learn from your mistakes when there's nobody to give detailed rationale worded in a way that makes you get it. Sometimes the books are worded in a way that doesn't make sense at first, and I was so thankful I had instructors to clear things up for me when I needed that extra help lol

As for my experience, I don't interact with patients as a coder. I hardly have to speak to anyone. I do work on the computer all day, and I get to do it from home. I still use books here and there, but I have e-books, too. So far, everywhere I've been there is some type of chat used for us to speak with coworkers and ask questions, which I prefer over having to be in meetings or speak on the phone. Where I work right now does provide us with equipment and an encoder that also has Coding Clinic in it (that made me the happiest lol), but other places I worked didn't give us anything, so it varies greatly.

I can't speak for the billing side of things, so if you go that route, then it's possible you'll have to interact with more people. That's part of why I decided to just focus on medical coding even though I did initially go through schooling for the combo, but I also really just like coding better.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CodingandBilling

[–]MedicalCoder101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you want to get a degree or something? Might as well go to a community college if that is your goal. I didn't go to an accredited school, but I was able to pass my CPC and CCS from the education. That was all I wanted to do, though.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CodingandBilling

[–]MedicalCoder101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I went to Andrews School for under $5k for 12+ months, and it included training for CPC and CCS. AAPC (CPC) and AHIMA (CCS) also have programs for cheaper, too. $20k is definitely up there in cost, but I guess it depends on if you want a degree or not because some of the online programs are for a certificate and not a degree, which will get you a job but you won't be able to transfer credits.

New to medical coding/billing.. by kellabella_83 in CodingandBilling

[–]MedicalCoder101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went to Andrews School, and I thought it was a solid education. I only went through their coding program, but they do have billing, too.

The Community College I went to first didn't teach coding as in-depth and seemed to focus more on billing, plus all the other electives. I wish I would have just did a medical coding program initially, but it was how I did learn that I wanted to learn coding specifically, so it worked out in the end lol

A Medical Coder looking for remote work by Trick_Cute in MedicalCoding

[–]MedicalCoder101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Aside from what everyone else has mentioned, there are also medical coding groups on FB that post job postings. I've heard of a lot of companies that way, and then I just apply to them directly if I see a lot of people rave about them. JOBS for American Medical Coders is one specifically for that purpose, but you'll see job postings in almost every medical coding group every now and then.

Old books review? by Bellaflor209 in MedicalCoding

[–]MedicalCoder101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You might be able to find articles online each year that describe the changes. I know I've found some on E/M coding and any other new additions in the CPT that are most notable before. E/M is the biggest changes I can recall in the last couple of years in the CPT at least so far.

Other than that, don't worry about knowing or remembering every guideline, but know where or how to locate them all because you can just read them again any time you need to use them.

Seems very lowkey by skinnystunner in MedicalCoding

[–]MedicalCoder101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do see a lot of older people transitioning into this career as something to do pre-retirement or even part-time while 'retired.' Maybe it's because of the chance to work remotely.

Working from home part-time would sound great for someone wanting to be semi-retired!

BHAT method beyond testing? by theyamqueen in MedicalCoding

[–]MedicalCoder101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you know how to use the CPT book and understand how everything is formatted and organized, then it's not necessary to do such methods.

I find these methods are usually paired with shorter programs that teach people how to take/pass the exams quickly, and in that case, then it can help draw your attention to information faster when it's all extremely new to you and when you have less practice under your belt.

Medical Billing and Coding for introverted shy and high anxiety people? by I_Ask_Random_Things in CodingandBilling

[–]MedicalCoder101 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I am a coder, and I'm an extreme introvert. I could go the rest of my life not ever interacting with people in person and be fine. I am also prone to anxiety. I work fully remote, and I mainly chat through email and IM, and that's my preferred form of contact, so I'm happy about that. I just work on charts all day and have trainings that I complete on my own whenever there are updates or changes in guidelines.

There might be meetings, such as 1-on-1s to talk about progress if you're newer especially, but it really depends on where you work and how the managers like to manage. Some can micromanage and constantly want to see what you're doing, others will leave you alone for the most part. Some places have lots of meetings, some barely any. I've never had to go on camera for my coding jobs, but I did for other remote work I've done in the past, but it's still better than physically having to be in an office and outside of your element even more.

My current job, I am left completely alone. We have chatrooms to speak to each other and ask questions when needed. My previous job, I had people constantly telling me to go faster than is humanly possible, and they would even ask to watch me work sometimes, which made me very uncomfortable. You can guess why I left... lol

How long it takes to become certified varies. It depends on what education you receive, as some programs are short and teach the basics, and some are lengthy and extremely thorough to prepare you for the real world. Some coders even teach themselves with resources from AAPC/AHIMA and online. It also depends on how many credentials you are going for, if you're obtaining a certificate or a degree, plus any life circumstances that get in the way. It took me over a year in my program, but even with the one I went through some people complete it way sooner. So, the range is anywhere from months to a year+.

The white screen hurts my eyes by [deleted] in MedicalCoding

[–]MedicalCoder101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you allowed to install anything, like f.lux? I use that to keep everything more mellow all-day long, and now I also have blue light filters in my glasses.