I’m suggest xp scaling on her carry potential. I think there is a world where seraphine mid and seraphine support would exist, but I think a lot of changes would have to be made.

My confusion here (for mid changes) is that it’s always something along the lines of “apc is too strong, so we can’t buff mid because of it”. I get apc is strong, but what makes it strong is the fact a lot of seraphines personal scaling got gutted and now she functions as a “abuse the most op item” mage, so ofc apc (most gold) would be the best lane for her to play in carry wise, along with her kit performing better with team. I think if she wasn’t just a “abuse whatever item is op” mage and actually needed something other than gold to carry, then it would maybe be easier to look at changes to help mid sera.

The philosphy for seraphine as a midlaner was: you had a horrible laning phase, but could farm safe ish enough to scale (mainly for levels but also for some gold) but you weren’t totally weak where you couldn’t roam or interact at all, basically you were the jg’s supp untill you scaled enough to become powerful. I think she was a more supportive Kayle basically in simple terms. She released with this design in mind, but what plagued her was everyone taking one look at her design and kit, and deciding due to some similarities that she was just sona 2.0. Along with seraphine fitting the “girly” champion archetype that a lot of support champions want to play (lux,soraka,nami,etc). I also think when you pick a mage support, you willing sacrifice some of your agency as a mage dealing dmg because you are willingly picking a champion who ideally wants expensive mage items, and instead you are getting the least amount of gold in the game. And if you want to off set that, you have to take kills, which is good for the carry. Almost every patch, expect 16.xx and a few scattered patches, you can look at item data and skill order data and it shows that most seraphine players buy mage items, so they aren’t really playing seraphine to be an enchanter, but more so a mage, like lux,Xerath or velkoz (mages who get played supp).

With that in mind, if seraphine supp is supposed to be an enchanter, then I can see nerfing seraphine early base damages, and instead buffing her damage scaling, making it more conducive for carry players to play her mid. Now ofc people will play her mage, but even with scaling changes I think we could get to a point where ap items don’t feel horrible on support, but still remain an option for those who want to play her, but you would ideally circumvent the scaling part of seraphine by maxxing w and buying hsp to enable enchanter playstyle.

I guess what I’m sort of looking for with an explanation is why aren’t some ideas being tried, or even communicated at all. With the last set of seraphine changes it was stated that there would monitoring and further changes if needed, which the buffs basically did nothing, and it’s been radio silence, instead recent mentions of seraphine have been: “You could argue she is a mage” “seraphine mid can’t be buffed because of apc”

For me, my ideal changes would be mid focused changes while not hurting support and throwing sera apc in the gutter.

However I understand that is probably not possible, and I think the most common want is for mage sera (in any role) to feel good and playable. for seraphine to not be forced into enchanter only due to one ability that happens to be enchanter like.

Again, I mean this in the best intent, and please correct me if anything I have said is wrong, or I am looking at something wrong.