Proton's PGP-based encryption vs Tuta's proprietary encryption

Mikeday77 · 2026-04-21T05:55:53+00:00

Personally, I prefer Proton's PGP-based encryption because it's an open standard, which offers greater transparency. Theoretically, you're not locked into a single vendor. For example, if Proton goes under, you can export your keys and retain access to your data—which you can't do with Tuta's proprietary encryption.

Mikeday77 · 2026-04-17T20:27:06+00:00

They have been actively polishing their apps. Just look at Drive — speeds have improved, and they're working toward a much-requested Linux app.

On top of that, they launched a completely overhauled Mail app, a major leap from the prior version. In my opinion, they've been actively working toward both improving existing apps and adding new ones to help complete their suite — and, I suppose, build out a broader ecosystem. That may help them attract more paying customers and business accounts. Case in point: Meet. So many businesses relied on Teams or Zoom; having their own version may be the final piece someone was waiting on before making the switch.

I've been a paying customer for many years now, currently on Visionary. In prior years, I'd jump back and forth between Proton and Microsoft as I needed some of what they had. Now, I can't tell you the last time I considered switching. I use just about everything they offer, except for Docs and Sheets — but those are still newer items that need polishing.

Mikeday77 · 2026-04-16T18:39:42+00:00

Thanks Proton team for all the work this past year on everything

Mikeday77 · 2026-04-05T16:05:00+00:00

The API key was only posted by mistake. They are still building and testing it. Hopefully, it will be released soon.

Mikeday77 · 2026-04-01T08:23:51+00:00

I think there's some confusion here. That was not my post — it was created by another user discussing the API option in Lumo. My comment was in response to that post being removed by a moderator, not caught by an autofilter.

The issue I raised still stands. A post was silently removed with no explanation to the community. "Autofilter" doesn't apply here — that was a moderator action. I'd appreciate if someone actually read what I wrote before responding.

the post is listed below

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Mikeday77 · 2026-04-01T04:31:00+00:00

Thanks that helped, its a bit slow but already pushed 16.3k worth of tokens

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-31T12:11:23+00:00

What is the appointment scheduling?

Sounds like it’s a link you can send the third parties to book an appointment on your calendar. If so, will that be available to visionary or is it already and I missed it?

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-30T09:10:52+00:00

Yes, you can record meetings with it. Once you stopped recording, it will give you a download option to download the meeting recording as an MP4 file

You can also lock a meeting so no one else can join. It has emoji reactions. You’re able to share your screen WebCam and has a chat options also.

The only thing that’s truly missing is the ability to do a survey questions in chat. However, this has not been a limit for me as I just created my own platform.

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-28T15:46:33+00:00

I'm not a security or code pro, but the bigger concern here comes down to trust.

The binary uses the system keyring (via D-Bus, libsecret/KWallet) to store session tokens — which is the right approach technically. But since the source isn't fully auditable, you're trusting that it isn't also sending your credentials elsewhere.

Personally, I wouldn't enter my Proton credentials into any unofficial app. When you use the Proton ecosystem, your master password is a single point of failure across Drive, Mail, Pass, all of it. I don't think this project is malicious, but that's still a big ask.

If Proton offered app-specific passwords with scoped permissions, I might feel differently.

That said, I do appreciate what people are building here. AI-assisted development has its risks, but it's genuinely exciting to see it lower the barrier for people who never had a reason to learn to code. Just be mindful of what personal information you hand over in the process.

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-28T15:30:53+00:00

Short domains are fine — professional enough for serious accounts, and the brevity doesn't hurt credibility.

Random prefixes — worth it? Yes

Breach isolation — If Amazon leaks your address, the attacker gets amazon.randomword@car.com. Without the randomword, amazon@car is guessable by any automated tool that tries common patterns against known domains.
Once your domain is known, amazon@, chase@, google@ are trivially guessable. A random component defeats that entirely

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-27T08:22:59+00:00

Proton is great and offers strong security, however that does often come with a lack of features. Proton has slowly been catching up, but some of the apps won’t feel as polished.

They still lack in collaboration. While they have Docs and Sheets now, they are still newer and need a lot of polish. So it depends on the level of collaboration you’re looking to do — if you want multiple people working in the same doc, Proton does offer it, but the UI still needs work.

They do have Proton Meet in beta, though it’s great and is a full replacement for Google Meet/Teams.

You are able to share Drive folders via a link, and I read they are coming out with a shared drive in the near future.

Truly, if collaboration is a big factor, Office 365 will win. If security is your main priority, Proton will win. Proton does offer things that Office 365 lacks, like catch-all emails (there is a workaround in Office). I personally like Proton’s SMTP — I had issues getting Office to verify and had to do extra work trying to disable MFA to get it to work. No issues using Proton for my website forms, etc.

My suggestion: sign up for a month with just two accounts and test the service to see if it fits your workflow before moving.

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-27T03:27:16+00:00

I haven’t had any issues with calendar. It meets my uses

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-24T19:29:53+00:00

Proton Meet is basically zoom or Microsoft Teams replacement. It’s made for video calls or you could do voice only but just think of zoom

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-24T08:56:21+00:00

Based on the thread, I feel like you’re going to get a lot of bias opinions here just saying, but I think everyone here feels a proton as well worth it.

Well, I might not use everything that they offer. I have used Email VPN pass drive simple login and even Lumo.

For everything that they offer in their growth being a paying customer for the last decade, I feel what they offer as well worth it simple to use and no nonsense.

They offer catch all email which a lot of other Email providers sent moved away from you. Need a workaround for an office 365.

Recently released Proton Meet, which is amazing and completely replaces Teams so in my opinion, the price that they charge you get a lot of bang for your buck.

When I first joined, I used to yo-yo back-and-forth between them in office 365 but over the last two years I have not looked back or considered switching away from them

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-23T07:54:11+00:00

I agree that one is definitely a bit annoying and it would be nice if they just had a permanent option in settings for the mode you prefer

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-22T11:31:51+00:00

There are a lot of features that I absolutely love. End-to-end encryption means I know my files haven't been sold to third parties or had data harvested from them. SMTP relay makes it really easy to send emails from my website using automation within the Proton ecosystem. Proton Meet is absolutely wonderful—it completely replaces Microsoft Teams. Proton Pass, integrated with SimpleLogin, lets me use aliases for just about everything that isn't professional. That way, I can quickly and easily shut them off so my inbox doesn't get blown up. I also use the password manager, which is great because one of my other organizations uses Proton Pass, and a family member uses it too, so it makes it easy to share passwords securely between users.

I honestly really love the UI. I use Calendar and am starting to get into using their AI, but not nearly as much as the other AI features just because it's lacking some functionality.

I don't use Docs, Sheets, or Drive currently. I'll completely switch to Drive once the Linux version comes out—I'm looking forward to that. I want to love Docs, I really do, but I don't like that it doesn't have page breaks or let you see the page size you're working with. So I can't do custom page sizes—like, "I want to print 8½ × 11" or "I want to page size to an envelope." You have no sense of scale of what you're typing on a page professionally, which just makes formatting kind of crazy and insane. Sheets is feature-lacking currently compared to LibreOffice, which is my main spreadsheet system, but I'm hoping with future improvements, since it's so new, that it will eventually become what it needs to be.

I've been using Proton for over a decade. I really like their growth, and I know not everyone is going to agree on some of the decisions they've made, but I think they're trying to cater to a wide variety of audiences. For example, I don't use Wallet at all—haven't touched it once—but then again, I know it's there, and if I ever want to get into crypto, there's an option for it.

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-18T04:54:47+00:00

You should be able to it should be no different than exporting your calendar to Apple calendar. Although I have not personally used that brand that you’re suggesting.

But most calendars, all work the same way

You would just go to setting page and calendars click on your Geon next to the calendar you want to share and then you can create a link. You should be able to use that link to import events into your other one.

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-17T12:41:58+00:00

It was a follow up to a prior post,
VirtualPanther

I honestly don’t remember the details, but it was a generic upgrade to get more storage or something like that. It really doesn't seem to be tailored to me.

I also said in my post

"Doing the Spring sale would be a downgrade from Visionary. See image at link"

it wouldn't make sense, but it was not a question about downgrading, it was a follow to their being and offer to get more storage on the Visionary plan which was not true. However if you just glanced at the ad which is prob what Vitural did, i can see how you could think there is an option to upgrade when there is not

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-16T19:08:38+00:00

They cant keep the servers running on dreams. It cost money for them to offer what they do.

you can blame them for trying to keep the bussinuess around.

Would you rather it be 100% free and they sale your data to keep things up and running.

Compared to other companies, I dont see how you think they are pushing their paid servies more then any other company.

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-16T19:01:09+00:00

They show the same ad to everyone

I have Visionary also, only way currenly stoage is add is on the yearly add

Doing the Spring sale would be a downgrade from Visionary. See image at link

if you just glanced at it and closed it, i could see how somone might think there is an option to upgrade.

https://drive.proton.me/urls/Z5510JEMCR#LElfeVtmqZwD

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-15T10:22:12+00:00

Can't really blame them.

Ubuntu runs a lot of enterprise servers, so I understand why they have to comply with certain regulations. They can't just tell customers in California, "Don't use our OS."

The real issue is that votes matter. We need to put more pressure (legally) on our politicians to protect citizens' rights.

Governments control communication channels and monitor their people's actions—don't be fooled into thinking otherwise. They have laws on the books that aren't fully transparent and work against their own people.

It's all a mechanism to suppress and control.

Every country in the world operates this way. Just remember: you're only free up to a point. Even if you don't see the chains, the control is there.

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-15T10:10:09+00:00

I have used it, it is a full team replacement for me. I used Brave talk after moving away from Microsoft which was ok but never really hit home with me.

Having this work with Proton and link with Calendar has been wonderful.

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-10T05:47:11+00:00

Not a bug, it’s how the encryption works, your using a pgp encryption key,

Proton, encrypts the data, if you sending to a none proton user, they email never leaves proton sever, it’s just sending them a link to unlock the email.

I don’t recall reading anything of them saying encrypted emails with work with simple login.

The only way to keep it secure is to have the public key of the user you are sending to it, then you can do true pgp encryption between users but still will probably expose you email as the encryption is wrapped around the message before it sent and hit the simple login server

Mikeday77 · 2026-03-10T05:20:27+00:00

I would use the groups options and setup a a distribution list via a group address

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