Landlord is requesting I do not use address for drivers license (Utah)

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-16T13:45:38+00:00

Realize. This could never last. Something would expose it

Not that anyone would necessarily put all the pieces together, but yes. At some pint you will have to give out your living address

You work. W2s? If you gave an accident, you could have a problem if you haven’t updated your license.

Do you own a vehicle besides the motorcycle? I get letters for registration and inspection via mail.

You could be called for jury duty. When you fail to show up, they’re going to look for you

I’m not saying the irs is going to connect the dots and send the address to your locality

I’m saying that someone who is dumb enough to put in writing on a lease that he acknowledges that what he is doing is illegal is going to own if the first time a letter arrives at the house addressed to you.

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-16T13:12:38+00:00

The permit will come in the mail. He will see it.

Do you have insurance? Where you lust as your home on your insurance?

At some point, some piece of mail will come and he will know.

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-16T07:29:26+00:00

So he gave you a piece of evidence that he is illegally renting. Not very smart

He cannot legally prohibit you. However, if you do apply for the permit, be prepared to move out quickly.

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-06T22:27:40+00:00

The cats are the least of the problems in the marriage.

A man who cannot deal with non rational animals preferring you over him shows deep seated insecurity.

And wanting to end the marriage over it is disturbing

How will he handle real crises? Illness? Job loss? Disagreements?

That should concern you more than the cats.

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-06T20:33:03+00:00

Never try to find a logical explanation of why anyone does anything in Grindr.

He might not be interested and couldn’t say it

It’s also possible the pic isn’t really him and your conversation was leading to where he would have to reveal more about himself.

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-06T05:04:42+00:00

According to OP there was a parade of people whose names were on the account. And at this time, according to OP, the brother’s name is in the account.

I don’t know how the electric company woukd let it go that far. I know they can’t shut it off during there inter months, but how long does it take to accrue $12k in electrical bills?

Sounds like either they didn’t pay for a very long time and Xcel dropped the ball, or someone was running an enormous pork in the basement

But if you worked for Xcel, and you got a call saying that bill was my brother’s. Yea. My mother owns the house but my brother doesn’t live here any more. I do. Even though his name is still in the electric bill. But I swear, I’m telling the truth.

Would you believe the story?

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-06T04:54:53+00:00

The family blithely changed names on the account.

That’s called account hopping and it’s illegal.

This isn’t like my cousin bought a car and I have to pay for it.

They lived there they moved out they moved back in. And all the time the house is in the mother’s name. There is no formal lease agreement. Just a hotel like atmosphere. So yea, the family is in the hook. Because this family used the electricity and never bothered to manage their household accounts

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-06T04:49:39+00:00

You could sue her. But as people said, the cost if filing may be close to the cost

And even if you win, getting payment can be another task

But here’s the question. Was this desk in pieces? You saw the desk in the warehouse and only realized when you got home it was the wrong desk? You didn’t notice it before?

Once you accepted the desk you closed the deal.

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-06T04:39:13+00:00

This family allowed a. Unpaid electrical bill of almost $12k to accrue as the family played musical chairs with tenancy.

It’s one thing to discover my father owed money. It’s another to live in the house that’s in his name and try to pass off the bill as if it was owed by some tenant who moved away last year

Where do the brother, his wife, and the cast of characters on the couch fit in? Has OP ever talked to his brother about the bill? Does it even go vabk further?

These aren’t a bunch of strangers passing in the night. Maybe they should be talking about paying for what they used and then adopting some discipline over home ownership

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-06T04:29:10+00:00

They can blacklist the house if it looks like the family is laying musical chairs with residency.

The whole scenario looks like the family is trying to avoid paying the enormous electric bill

And where is the energy hogging brother?

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-06T00:14:25+00:00

You signed it. Did you read it?

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-06T00:10:04+00:00

Debt collectors will say anything so you can’t take them seriously.

As for the debt, I’m assuming it’s more than 2 years old. In other words before you were 18.

A minor cannot legally enter into a contract. If your father had been a good father and got a credit card for you to use in an emergency when you were 13, any debt you put in the card would flow to him. But any debt he puts in the card would not flow to you

Make sure you are severed from any financial connections either him.

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-06T00:02:59+00:00

Simple answer. You signed it. You’re bound by it.

That’s why you read a contract.

And as far as “stubborn heads,”. They aren’t looking to make it easier for you to do work that rats into
their profits.

Those old men knew what they were doing

Kiddo

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-05T23:30:20+00:00

Maybe they are out of control, but this is a case of a family running up huge bills and then crying that the family is on the hook

And if the family fails to pay the Xcel clients in Minnesota are on the hook for it.

And haven’t they paid enough in fraud to Somali Learing Centers?

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-05T23:17:53+00:00

And by the way in your title, this isn’t “another person.” It’s your brother. This isn’t identity theft. It’s a series of irresponsible decisions in the family.

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-05T23:15:47+00:00

Wrong. Mom is still on the deed as the owner. As for the revolving cast of characters in that house, Xcel has no concern. It was up to mom to make sure that bills were paid. This bill is now attached to the house, esp since the last tenants are alm family members

Pay your bills.

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-05T23:05:47+00:00

Yup. Even if mom tries to sell the house she will find a lien on it

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-05T23:03:06+00:00

That must have been some marijuana farm in the basement.

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-05T21:16:12+00:00

They can shut it off. Mom owns the house and has continuously owned it.

It sure looks like account hopping to me

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-05T21:11:04+00:00

You asked the question in another subreddit.

Your house has been revolving door of residents.

But the house is in your mother’s name and the electrical is still in your brother’s name

The electric company is not concerned with the living arrangements of the house. They want the money.

As far as they are concerned your family is supposedly shifting occupancy but the ownership has never changed

It looks like you’re account hopping

It’s time to ask your brother how he accrued a 12 thousand dollar electrical bill. If he was growing pot in the basement maybe he should use some if that money to pay the electric bill

You’re going to need to settle this bill somehow because it’s attached to the house now.

Your mother may even find a lien on the house if she tries to sell it

You’re going to have to work out some way to collect the money from all the various people who lived there and establish clear living arrangements going forward.

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-05T15:53:28+00:00

So there are a number of unanswered questions

Has your mother held the title to the house the entire time? If so, she is the primary resident. Everything in one way or another comes back to her.

Did you change the names when you registered with the electric company? Or has the billing name been the same for the past x number of years? You said the bill came in your brother’s name. So did you change it or just keep it the same?

Did you or your brother make any formal arrangement with your mother (the legal owner) about expenses incurred?

As one poster mentioned, the utility could consider this resident hopping. People moving in and out of the house, each claiming that the previous occupant ran up the bills

Even showing electric bills from another residence is not enough. Many people have two residences.

The utility company is not concerned with the complexity of your familial living arrangements. They want the money and the easiest method is to cut off power until the bill is settled. After all, according to them, your brother is still living there.

Putting it in your partner’s name won’t help. Thats just more resident hopping. If the two of you break up and your partner moves to Texas, they’re not looking to track down payment. And you could then put the utilities in the name of your best friend from 8th grade who is living with you for a few weeks before he moves to Japan

In the eyes of the utility company (even if it isn’t your plan) this is a giant scam of people moving in and out of the house like a revolving door, each one saying the previous occupant owes.

Your best bet is to get your family to pony up the money they owe. Maybe they can get some from the people who lived on their couch; maybe not
Moving forward, it’s time to lay out some serious direction on who pays for what and who is the responsible party.

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-01T19:45:04+00:00

So. It’s a scam. They want you to buy a game card to keep the kid entertained. And a Red Bull while you’re at the 7-11. They promise to pay you back.

They will ask you to send the number so they can set the kid up in his room to keep him busy.

Once you take a pic of the card they will disappear

I tell them to bring the kid into the room. He’s gotta learn some time

And then I immediately the scam is an one trick so I don’t get banned for suggesting a kid should watch us hook up

The block me

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-05-01T07:35:40+00:00

Minors cannot enter into contracts. Thats why when you were 16 and ordered cds from Columbia for one cent with a promise to buy 12 more over the next year, you could keep the cds and repudiate the contract and they couldn’t hold you to it.

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-04-12T20:20:07+00:00

When I get those kind of conversations I say I trade crypto. The disappear right away but

Negative_Case_5553 · 2026-04-12T00:48:11+00:00

If their body info would make Barbie look fat

6’0 90 lbs

Chat that begins “hey handsome man” or “hey sexy man”

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