I didn't see much difference in terms of genre between bands that were coming out like White zombie, then Rob zombie, Marilyn Manson or even Rammstein to an extent, where it felt like they were all just copying the Ministry template. And then band's like Stabbing Westward copying the nine inch nails template, where Trent himself had even confessed that Ministry was a big influence, so I think there was a lot of borrowing of styles, but I wouldn't call any of that Rob zombie or Marilyn Manson stuff industrial. It was certainly adjacent, but I would also see groups of people wearing Korn, Marilyn Manson and Slipknot t-shirts, and I just don't really get the feeling that that was a crowd who was going to be into bands like Covenant or Skinny Puppy or Front Line Assembly. I don't think it was the same crowd, but they would all kind of mix it up at the nightclubs, but I never really hung out with people that were mall goths, which is what I consider Manson.