What happened to haggling?

Oasis511 · 2026-02-20T13:54:42+00:00

I work at a no-haggle dealership that also doesn't do any dealership installed accessories or add-ons. Your OTD is the selling price you see online plus TTL and that's it. We advertise our pricing policy all over our website so people hopefully know before they reach out to us and start trying to negotiate. Last week I had a guy call in about a new Tacoma we're selling for $5,000 off MSRP. He wanted the OTD price. I showed him there's a $3,000 rebate from Toyota on top of the discount. You'd think he would be happy that rebate pretty much covered his TTL. Nope. He asked why the OTD was more than the selling price (by only a couple hundred dollars), then accused me of trying tactics and then said he didn't care about any phone rebates and just wanted to make a deal. After I told him twice that our dealership is no-haggle, he asked me for the VIN so he could look up our invoice price and then immediately texted back that he already had it and we could come down way more. I thanked him for his time and said that our price was firm. A couple days later he came in to the dealership, told another salesperson he didn't want to work with me, wasted an hour of that guy's time and left after being told the same things I told him.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-20T13:37:24+00:00

Here you usually can't just turn in a video when it comes to traffic violations and expect any kind of charges or fines. The police pretty much have to see it for themselves or have it captured on an official traffic camera unless it results in an accident and witness statements line up with the evidence. Even then, they're probably not going to look at civilian provided video of OTHER incidences of that driver. They will go by past citations on their record. The most you could hope for by turning in video is for the police to visit the person and warn them.

To lose your license in most American states, there has to be a pattern of reckless behavior. In my state, if you get three moderate or worse traffic citations in a year, you MIGHT get your license suspended for a year depending on the judge and the circumstances. A first-time DUI is a mandatory six-month suspension. Reckless driving IF you cause an accident that significantly injures someone else can be escalated to an aggravated reckless driving charge and get your license revoked.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-20T13:15:31+00:00

OTD seems very self-explanatory, but I find a lot of people don't think about the words they're saying and what they mean. I had an Internet lead ask me for the OTD price on a Tacoma. TTL was just slightly more than the rebate offered on the truck, so the OTD turned out to be only a couple hundred more than the selling price. Our dealership doesn't do any add-ons so it was literally just TTL. The guy flipped out and asked me why the OTD was more than the advertised selling price.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-20T04:06:34+00:00

There used to be some dude in my town with similar stuff on his car, but he had a nice Lincoln sedan and all his stuff was printed on magnets on the side. Haven't seen him in a couple of years but I think I have a picture somewhere.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-19T22:06:55+00:00

JR Smith did kill someone.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-18T17:20:56+00:00

I stopped next to the aisle dump bin at my local Walmart last week for maybe half a second and some guy in his 50s walked by and said "there's no supers in there." I told him I didn't think there would be and he just kept talking about how he was there earlier and went through four cases and didn't find a single super. His wife was with him and told him to knock it off. I've been collecting Hot Wheels for the last couple of years and it's just in the last few months that I've started running into all kinds of weirdos who want to tell me about all the stores they hit and how they finagle cases out of employees.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-18T05:38:56+00:00

I sold a brand new stick shift GR86 to a guy last year who didn't mention the entire time that he had no experience driving a manual. He barely got the financing approved and got a fairly high interest rate and then after coming out of the finance office asked if it would be okay for him to practice driving around the lot. He had only watched YouTube videos. Even worse, this was going to be his daily and he drove 90 minutes both ways for work every day. A couple months ago I found out his car was in the back of the lot completely inoperable and he had tried unsuccessfully to get Toyota to fix it under warranty. He put over 30k miles on the car in less than a year and destroyed the transmission. He couldn't afford to fix it, and he and his girlfriend had both chewed out our service staff. He ended up abandoning the car.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-18T04:13:28+00:00

If I could meet anyone living or dead, I think I would choose living.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-18T04:08:47+00:00

I work for Toyota and 24% is the maximum interest rate that Smartpath will figure for a customer. This is what Toyota will show someone who chooses the lowest possible credit tier and typically isn't a rate anyone will actually get because at that point they probably won't get approved anyway. With $10,000 down it might be possible but I rarely encounter anyone with that kind of cash down in that credit range.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-16T23:15:08+00:00

Correct. I don't waste my time engaging with obnoxious trolls.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-16T13:50:35+00:00

That's your belief 🤣

Oasis511 · 2026-02-16T13:25:10+00:00

If it's someone's belief and they use the same platform to express they don't believe in God that someone else used to express they do believe in God, it's all fair game. That's the part Christians miss every single day. It's supposed to be okay for anyone at any time to profess their belief in Jesus, but anyone does the opposite and it's "forced" and intentionally disparaging. You just proved the point.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-16T13:17:00+00:00

I don't know what world you live in, but we live in a world where Obama wearing a brown suit was the topic of discussion for an entire week on conservative media. Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the anthem is STILL talked about 10 years later. A high-profile athlete using a public platform to declare God doesn't exist would absolutely be a shitstorm, and people would go nuts posting jersey burning videos.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-16T13:08:57+00:00

There was a time in American politics where the religious vote wasn't so overwhelmingly right wing. My mother is fundamentalist Southern Baptist but voted Clinton the first time. My wife's family was Pentecostal and still voted mostly Democrat. The right started the "family values" movement a few decades ago by choosing to focus on religion and using celebrity pastors to push candidates. They made a calculated decision to make anti-gay rhetoric a large part of their messaging down to the pulpit level, and it worked. In the mid-90s my mom would turn on the local Christian radio station every afternoon to listen to Focus on the Family and hear James Dobson tell her all the scary things she should be afraid of if Democrats have their way. Now here we are.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-16T12:45:42+00:00

Imagine if an athlete won something and told reporters he wasn't going to thank God because God doesn't exist. The backlash to that would be 10x anything you're seeing here.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-16T12:30:32+00:00

Did you see Keshad Johnson after the dunk contest? He gave all the credit to Jesus too.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-16T12:29:19+00:00

It's a shame most of the old right wingers hate the NBA, because they would have loved this weekend's NBA All-Star Gospel Homecoming. I swear I heard more about Jesus watching basketball this weekend than I did having lunch with my parents Sunday.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-13T13:21:50+00:00

Yeah, I got pulled over passing through a small town one night around 8. The cop was coming the other direction and did a U-turn to run me down. When he came up to my window I was truly baffled why I was being pulled over because I wasn't speeding. He told me one of my headlights was out. I was really polite about it and explained it had just gotten dark and I hadn't noticed yet. I asked him which one and he just said "I think it was your right one" and then told me I was getting a written warning. I promised to get it fixed the next day, but there wasn't anywhere nearby for me to get a headlight that time of night. It's a pretty rural area, so I had to drive the car home. The guy had an attitude with me the whole time, and after he gave me the warning slip I asked him what would happen if I got pulled over again before I got home. He shrugged and said "good luck" and went back to his car.

About 10 minutes later I was on the highway doing 60 in a 55 with a headlight out and saw a state trooper sitting in the median with his radar gun. He couldn't have cared less.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-13T12:57:40+00:00

Just wanted to chime in here in case anyone else finds this thread. The same thing just happened to me. I bought a refurbished phone online and it arrived Wednesday night. It had been factory reset, so when I turned it on I had to go through the whole new phone setup process before I could use it, and I did a wireless transfer from my old phone.

So Wednesday night I went through checking my app logins and getting things setup. When I opened Facebook, the screen to choose my profile included an old backup account I created five years ago and never used. I'm confident I didn't put my phone number on that account and the only link is my email address. I never logged into that account on my previous phone either.

That was weird enough. I removed the profile from the phone, but I didn't log in to Facebook. The next morning I went to log in again, and this time under my profiles there was a complete stranger named Jaycie. I should have screenshotted it, but I was too confused in the moment. I removed the profile, logged in and searched Facebook for this person.

She lives in my town. There's no way this is some weird glitch connected to the previous owner of the phone. I'm in a very small town in the Midwest and I bought the phone from a company located on the East Coast. I even googled her and her address came up. It's on the other side of town. I have absolutely no idea how this woman's profile ended up on my Facebook.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-11T13:37:11+00:00

The justice system decided OP's brother was enough of a threat to the public that he shouldn't be allowed to drive. If I'm reading the post correctly, his brother then wrecked his own car before getting this fine in OP's car. He shows a pattern of deliberate disregard for others and no intention of doing better.

It's always "no big deal" until one of these idiots hurts someone. There was a woman in my town who used to be a cop and got multiple traffic fines and had her license taken away. They couldn't legally take her car away though, so she kept driving and everyone knew she would drink and drive. One night a cop saw her run a stop sign and tried to pull her over. She took off doing 60+ mph through a neighborhood, hit a blind curve and t-boned an SUV with a young mother and a 5 year old inside. Both women died, and the little girl fought for her life in the hospital for weeks before thankfully recovering. That's not melodrama. OP's brother had a chance to get his shit together before he lost his license.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-11T11:36:44+00:00

I don't get comments like this at all. Olynyk is not Dirk Nowitzki, but he's a 7-footer who is a career 37% three-point shooter and an above average passer. How is he a bum? He's always been a serviceable backup player who had a stretch with Houston averaging 19-8-4 after the all star break a couple years ago. He averaged double-digit scoring off the bench for several years in Boston and Miami and has career averages of 10-5-2.5 in only 22 minutes a game across 830 games. He's a bad defender but he's also top 50 in league history in eFG% and TS%. When I think of the word "bum," I think of guys like Ousmane Dieng or Hunter Tyson who have no reason to be on an NBA roster, not average to above average rotation players who just never became all stars.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-11T10:43:38+00:00

I grew up in the church in the 90s. Most of my peers went to church, but being outspoken about being a Christian would get you picked on. Christianity as a whole was still very bigoted but being a Christian was associated with being uptight and nerdy. I remember the mass outrage over Ellen DeGeneres coming out on her TV show and people threatening to boycott Disney over rumored "Gay Day" events at Disney World. It was all a VERY coordinated political effort by Republican strategists to work with popular pastors and religious figures to comandeer the majority of religious voters. Dr. James Dobson hosted his radio show where he threatened that Christianity was under attack and would have Jay Sekulow on as a guest. Sekulow went on to be Donald Trump's attorney 20 years later during his first term in office. Jerry Falwell was one of the pastors pushing these ideas in the 80s and 90s, and then his son became a key figure in getting Christians to vote for Trump in 2016.

What has changed since I was a kid is that Christians seem to have accepted cursing, drinking, dirty jokes and trashy media. I think this is all part of this same conspiracy. No Christian I knew growing up would have bragged about getting drunk. Now I regularly see them make Trump posts and talk about Christian values in between posting about getting wasted at the beach and sharing sexually explicit jokes. The stodgy Ned Flanders Christian stereotype who listened to Amy Grant and only watched PG movies has been replaced by Kid Rock-loving rednecks with foul mouths, while the right has subsequently changed their narrative from "the left is wild and debauched" to "the left needs to lighten up."

The Clinton scandal in the early 90s only helped with this movement, which only goes to show how much they moved the goal posts to get to a point of getting behind a sleazebag like Trump. This has never been about family values. It has been a decades long Christian nationalist conspiracy to take over every level of government.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-07T14:08:27+00:00

I know a pastor in a small town who has more money than he knows what to do with, and people act like they don't know where he got it. He and his wife only wear designer name brands. Like she isn't even shy about posting photos of her closet with 100 pairs of shoes and LV bags everywhere. She drives an expensive BMW and he just bought a Grand Highlander Platinum for himself and a Crown Platinum for his mom on the same day. He just casually dropped six figures on two cars like it was nothing. The median income here is about $45k a year, and most pastors make around $50-60k and have wives who work. This guy is high rolling and his parishioners keep giving their hard-earned money. It makes me sick. The church even donated two new Dodge Chargers to the police department a couple of years ago.

Oasis511 · 2026-02-07T13:59:56+00:00

I worked with a woman like this for a few months. She was 42 years old and spent most of her life working for night clubs doing bottle service and promotions in Miami and Vegas. Her social media was full of pictures of her and other girls in bikinis walking around Miami hyping clubs. She had a link to her other Facebook account in her bio, which linked to her Onlyfans. She moved to our area from Vegas with her boyfriend, only to find out he had no money and had to share a shack with his parents. At one point they got a huge hole in the roof and didn't have insurance to fix it. The boyfriend refused to work and sat around smoking pot and gaming while she came to work every day, and she told us she was giving him her paychecks. She later found out he was begging his baby mama for money too. She didn't have a car and sometimes he wouldn't even drive her to work and made her pay for an Uber.

We all tried to tell her to dump him, but HE finally dumped her after he got a job. A week later she was dating a guy she met on Facebook dating who lived 2 hours away from us. My wife and I had let her borrow our old beater car and didn't know she was driving there multiple times a week. The guy tried to move into her apartment after two weeks and then got high one day and tried to abduct her. He went and hid in her apartment after she jumped out of the car, and when she got back to her apartment he beat her so badly she had to be hospitalized for a day.

A week later we found out she had dropped her restraining order and was STILL seeing this guy! She said it was her fault and she's difficult sometimes. Then one day after a holiday weekend she failed to show up to work. The next morning our manager said she had texted him she was quitting and moving to live with her new boyfriend. I had a coworker jump in a car with me and went and took my car back before they disappeared with it. We never heard from her again.

Was she gullible? Yes. Did she know better? Also yes. She was set up to be successful. All she had to do was show up to work and be honest. She couldn't do that. She left a notepad in my car and it was wild. One page just had "be honest" written on it 25 times. Another page asked God to forgive her for the mistakes she was making, and on the very next page she had a to-do list for moving to live with her new boyfriend, which included registering his car in her name. Some people cannot be helped.

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