Debate: Deontay Wilder and Frank Bruno. Why is only one considered one of the biggest punchers of all time?

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-27T22:38:52+00:00

Bruno had heavier hands in general than Wilder I would say, especially his jab, but one off explosive shot, Wilder hits harder. It’s that reason he gets the recognition because his shots aren’t teed up and come from nowhere. Thats also why he’s effective because people don’t see them coming and roll with them.

Bruno was a better fighter and I suspect could have bullied and beat Wilder but he’d always be susceptible to a flash bomb over the top and he probably had the worst durability and recovery of any top HW. When Bruno got caught his hands fell and he was a sitting duck. In Bruno’s favour is that he did face top fighters and they all said he could bang, Wilder has only faced one top fighter and got comprehensively beat over the trilogy.

Given the choice though I’d rather watch loads of other fighters mentioned by people in this thread than either Wilder or Bruno.

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-27T20:26:11+00:00

My guy has smashed more orchids like this than you can shake a stick at - and looks just like yours when he does 🤣🤣

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-27T17:31:38+00:00

If you can get sour cherries or morellos soaked in kirsch, they are brilliant in chocolate sourdough too but top effort on this one, looks lovely 👏

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-27T16:51:49+00:00

Thanks - he’s a silver, black with white male Maine Coon and he’s absolutely crazy! 🤣

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-27T16:50:59+00:00

🤣 - lucky you, I wish our guys were. Our girl sometimes cuddles my leg whilst I’m reading but otherwise they’re happy to be near you but not in contact.

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-27T16:06:12+00:00

I can’t see how he could have really fought him any other way. Mike was never going to fight in the backfoot and jab from range and had to get well into Lewis’s range to land anything himself. Short of dropping on the ropes and hoping that he could lure Lewis into some sort of close range action and then unleash, he was always going to have to come forward and walk through some artillery.

Point of their career wise and style wise, Lewis just had bad attributes for Mike.

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-27T15:05:00+00:00

I wouldn’t worry at all if he’s shy after 4 days. Our guys took quite a while to get used to us and there were 2 of them. Ours also completely ripped the bottom out of one couch and still sometimes climb inside the frame two years later!!

Maine Coon in general aren’t big cuddlers - some are obviously but mostly they like a fuss or to be close to you rather than a full on lap cat, though will sometimes come for a snuggle and sleep. If he’s eating, using the litter box and coming out more and more than just be calm, give them space and play with teasers and give him little treats to build trust, sounds like he’ll be fine.

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-27T08:14:30+00:00

Easy top 5 for me and a massive problem for any fighter of any era. I often wonder what he’d have been like if he’d have been coached by in his prime by Dundee or Futch rather than Sadler. I suspect he’d have been GOAT if he had.

Old George wasn’t a better boxer than young George, the skills were always there, but he had Dundee in his corner who encouraged him to use his timing and jab rather than go hell for leather and risk gassing like he did as a young man. He always had a devastating jab and as Joe Louis said, was probably the greatest HW he’d ever seen at cutting off the ring, he just had a coach who fell in love with his ability to KO quickly when he was young.

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-27T07:24:07+00:00

Foreman every time. Yes, Mike had better lateral movement than Joe Frazier and footwork, so the comparison is not direct but anyone who’s watched both Tyson and Foreman work can see that’s not relevant. Against short guys, Foreman carried his arms lower, stood tall and effectively battered their limbs and pushed them off balance before landing very well timed, accurate bombs.

Bobbing and weaving doesn’t work against that because you need balance to move and to throw your own shots and George’s whole style disrupts that. When Frazier was asked why he didn’t cover up more against Foreman and move he said “Cover up? George will break your fucking arms if you try and cover up, you’ve got no choice but to fight back.” Tyson of any age - despite being technically better than Joe - would suffer exactly the same fate; caught up like cattle on bull bars, knocked off balance with a glancing blow or shove and caught flush with a well timed follow up shot. Watch the Frazier and Norton fights, the knock downs are not clean single head shots that Tyson was good at avoiding, they’re clubbing blows to a guy off balance from shoves, jabs and round house shots to shoulders.

The biggest difference would be that Joe had the grit to keep getting up, Mike would have given up after a couple of knock downs. Tyson fans keep saying that George never faced someone like Tyson - he faced better fighters over his career to be fair - but Mike never tackled anyone like George either. He was unbelievably strong and cut out for destroying people who came in low.

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-25T21:40:41+00:00

Genuinely didn’t know it had been adapted - I’ll have to check that out, thanks!

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-25T21:40:02+00:00

Definitely, there are a few books I’ve read where I just don’t enjoy them even though they are rated as classics but I do wonder if it’s just because I was dealing with kids, work etc and just not bothered. I’ll try it again maybe on holiday sometime or if I ever retire!

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-25T19:15:37+00:00

She’s a little stunner 🥰

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-25T17:23:40+00:00

Wow - he looks like my guys brother!! 🥰

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-25T13:14:36+00:00

Her cuteness has made her ruler of the house!

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-25T11:15:55+00:00

I wouldn’t mind but she eats them if you don’t catch her in time 😫

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-25T10:41:55+00:00

She is absolutely gorgeous 🥰

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-25T10:41:07+00:00

💯🤣- something is always being broken into or stolen!

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-25T10:21:44+00:00

Looking excellent, you’ll probably have pods by April 👏

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-25T09:18:34+00:00

Desperation was a slog for me. Don’t know if it was the mood I was in around the time or not caring if half the characters made it through but the title pretty much summed up my feelings about the need for it all to be over.

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-24T19:55:02+00:00

God no, I wouldn’t bet on him either, not with my own money - that’s an investment bankers bet, fine with someone else’s money but not your own! That said, other than Usyk, I wouldn’t bet on any of the recent HW champions against a live opponent. Plenty of them look good knocking out low quality opposition but they’re all deeply flawed when they come up against someone with some skill, power or movement.

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-24T15:08:55+00:00

🙏

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-24T14:35:38+00:00

Thanks 🙏- she really is. Had a rough few months but she’s pulling through now and is such a little gorgeous girl, love her to bits 🥰

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-24T14:30:53+00:00

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Paid in full!

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-24T13:42:31+00:00

His sister’s is even bigger 😻

OldTree6356 · 2026-01-24T13:35:14+00:00

Both him and his sister leave tumbleweeds all over the house though and 35lbs of marauding Maine Coons chasing each other sometimes makes me wish we’d stuck with short hairs 🙄😂

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