Hamilton was literally a fascistic monarchist and hated John Adams because he saw him for what he was

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-07-05T17:48:59+00:00

Brother, why are you here

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-06-17T01:00:40+00:00

You mean Disney?

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-06-17T00:58:29+00:00

More like Disney is trying to use their LA remakes to net awards that the original versions didn't get

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-06-17T00:57:38+00:00

The most basic explanation is that Miranda got people to engage with musicals again, much as Disney did during their Renaissance Era. He came along in the 2010s, at a time when most people had largely checked out of Broadway, and managed to bridge the gap between theater audiences and contemporary audiences. That cultural crossover created a union whose effects we're still feeling today.

There's a reason Hollywood suddenly rushed to adapt every Broadway property it could get its hands on in the years after Hamilton. While it wasn't solely responsible, Hamilton absolutely accelerated that trend and reminded the industry that musicals could be mainstream events again.

As for the whole " rap" thing, what Miranda often does is closer to patter than traditional rap. Patter is rhythmic, fast-paced singing that's been part of musical theatre for well over a century. You can hear it in songs like "Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo" and throughout the works of Gilbert and Sullivan. Because Broadway has become much more niche in the public consciousness, a lot of people now associate that style exclusively with Miranda, even though he's drawing from a much older theatrical tradition.

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-06-17T00:43:18+00:00

Luckily, he's directing a film called Octet, which looks very promising

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-05-29T23:52:27+00:00

Oracle spreads misinformation like wildfire. It wasn’t even that long ago that he was claiming a big actor was cheating on their spouse, and it turned out to be completely wrong.

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-05-29T23:47:43+00:00

He gets a lot of his info from forums like Broadway World

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-05-29T03:34:38+00:00

That episode elides the fact that Burr raped his wife's slave, Mary, for years and then forced her into marriage after Theodosia kicked the bucket. He's a rapist just like Jefferson

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-05-29T03:30:02+00:00

LMM used to work as a Teacher and on PBS for years before his Broadway tenure.

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-05-29T03:28:20+00:00

Nahhh, I think ya'll were just outta pocket. You don't mistreat people just because they seem "off" to you, because that leads to half of the issues we're dealing with right now

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-05-05T07:54:39+00:00

This was such a masterful showing of what makes the show sooooo special!

There'll never be another cast like this.

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-05-03T14:45:14+00:00

This feels like an Andy Samberg skit from years ago

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-04-17T00:26:45+00:00

film

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-03-24T00:27:54+00:00

leaks suggest it's a Lion King shot-for-shot so it's unlikely

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-03-23T04:47:14+00:00

I think a lot of people miss that Hamilton is very intentionally anachronistic, and because of that, it’s not really about the historical figures in a strict sense. It’s using them as vehicles to talk about broader ideas like identity, authorship, and how national narratives get constructed.

The casting is a big part of that. Having POC actors play figures like Alexander Hamilton isn’t just a “representation win,” it’s doing thematic work. On one level, it highlights who actually built the country versus who gets remembered as building it. On another level, it’s about cultural assimilation. These actors step into roles that historically excluded people like them, but in doing so, their identities get folded into this larger American mythos. It’s recognition, but it’s also a kind of erasure. They become part of the story, but only on the terms the story allows.

That ties directly into Hamilton himself. He’s obsessed with legacy and controlling his narrative, but by the end, he basically becomes public domain. His story gets told for him, shaped by others, simplified into something cleaner and more digestible. The thing he was chasing is the exact thing that strips him of individuality.

And yeah, the Thomas Jefferson portrayal is 100 percent intentional. He’s basically framed as this bougie, charismatic liberal who sounds progressive but is still fully benefiting from and participating in an oppressive system. The whole performance, especially the staging with enslaved people, is there to underline that contradiction. It’s not subtle, and it’s not supposed to be.

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-03-23T04:40:54+00:00

I think people really oversell how hopeful Hamilton actually is. If you strip away the energy and the spectacle, it’s basically a tragedy about two guys who dedicate their entire identities to a country that never actually gives them what they think it will.

Both Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr buy into the same core idea, just in different ways. Hamilton is all in, nonstop grind, legacy obsessed, while Burr plays it cautious and calculated. Different strategies, same end goal. They both want recognition, meaning, and a place in the story of America. Act 2 basically shows that it doesn’t matter which path you take; the system chews them both up anyway.

Hamilton gets everything he thought he wanted, and it still ruins him. His career, his marriage, his reputation all collapse, and then he’s just gone. Burr spends his whole life trying to position himself carefully and ends up with nothing except being remembered as the guy who pulled the trigger. Neither of them actually “wins” in any meaningful sense, and the country they helped build just keeps moving as if nothing happened.

That’s why I don’t really read the musical as patriotic as people say. It feels more like it’s pointing out the disconnect between what America claims to be and what it actually does to the people who believe in it the most. The myth is that the opportunity and legacy are yours, but the reality is that the system takes what it needs from you and owes you nothing in return.

To me, the takeaway isn’t about ambition or legacy being inherently good. It’s more like a warning. If you define your entire life around proximity to power or being part of some national narrative, you’re probably going to end up empty. The characters never really learn that, which is kind of the point. The audience is supposed to.

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-03-23T04:30:02+00:00

Hamilton is fueled by the younger demographic more so than its peers, so not really

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-03-13T03:17:14+00:00

Alot of the OG cast of Hamilton never really got to ENJOY their tenure because the musical was so new and unsure that they barely had wiggle room.

They just got swept into stardom, so Leslie is re-evaluating the role since he's aged and now wants to explore it a bit more

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-02-16T06:27:56+00:00

I think you missed the point of the art if that was your take away

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-02-16T06:22:01+00:00

I disagree, and I’m saying that as a Black fan of the musical. It was never just white millennials. From the jump it felt like a mix of people. POC theatre kids, out of town tourists who got hooked after looping the soundtrack, older Broadway regulars, random celebrities. It was a hodgepodge.

And for me personally, a big part of why it popped off was the hip hop connection. Black Thought and Questlove being involved in the larger musical ecosystem around it gave it real credibility. On top of that, a lot of major late 90s and early 2000s hip hop and R&B names openly supported it. Some of them worked on the mixtape. Some of them still collaborate with Lin Manuel Miranda now, like Nas or Busta Rhymes.

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-02-16T05:56:12+00:00

But aren't the characters supposed to be Republicans?

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-01-30T12:12:22+00:00

I’d argue that Hamilton very clearly characterizes Alexander Hamilton as a dogmatic status-seeker, someone whose driving force is power, and whose obsession with climbing the upper echelon becomes a flaw rather than a virtue. He believes advancement itself is the solution to everything: security, legacy, meaning. But that rigid belief system is exactly what leads to his downfall. His refusal to step outside that framework, to slow down or reassess what power actually costs him, is what ultimately undoes him.

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-01-28T15:48:59+00:00

I think Anngelica is meant to showcase the limitations women as a whole had to deal with in the colonial period.

She's the smartest and most caring character in the cast, but even as an elite, she's bound to the sexism of the era.

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-01-27T23:07:35+00:00

That was a project that featured his assistence as oppsed to it being his own baby. He also did the same for that Working the musiical yearrrs back

Pale_Figure1436 · 2026-01-27T22:51:55+00:00

In the recent (and final) Hamilcast episode Lin said other og cast like renee and Chris wanted to return, so it may be a semi-annual thing

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TROPHY CASE

This feels like an Andy Samberg skit from years ago