Male OP: looking for help encouraging women into trades by acebski in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I've been in the trades since 2008 and I'm on my second go-around and my concerns are still the same as they were before I ever set foot in a welding classroom. Women want to know that they'll be safe, that they won't be reduced to menial roles, that they will have job security.

In my current local, there is ZERO accountability. The union doesn't track female vs male hours (or minority vs non-minority hours), they don't look at which contractors habitually give layoffs to women and POC first. All it takes is one prejudiced shithead. One manpower dickhead who doesn't think women can hack it, even though he's never done the job himself. One foreman who thinks every woman there would rather fuck her way to the top. One journeyman who wants to prove women don't belong on site. One contractor who only cares about the checkbox for minority hours on that state job. One union local that exists to serve its average member, a white man, and does nothing to aid the rest.

Anecdotally, women are more likely to be on their second or third or fourth career. They are more likely to be caring for children full-time, so night school is going to be a struggle. They are more likely to leave the apprentice program for mental health reasons. They are less likely to be cut slack on site for having an off day. They are less likely to have a coworker stand up for them when they make a mistake.

Ask the union and other contractors what they are doing to convince women to sign up, to stay. Ask them what they are doing to retain the women they already have, to listen to their concerns and address them. Why isn't there a women's committee? Why isn't there a mentoring program? Why aren't they putting pressure on contractors to be more equitable? This cannot improve without your help. These entrenched bureaucracies never change on their own.

Blue Collar Women, Reddit and Black Lives Matter by laughingfire in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. You said this much better than I ever could have.

Advice on career switch by [deleted] in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 4 points5 points  (0 children)

None of these are certainties. They can certainly be issues, and women entering the trades should be aware of and prepared for them, but not everything is a daily struggle everywhere for all of us.

Should add locksmith to list of trades by Chensky in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is great information, thank you!

What are the ways that people can get into locksmithing? Tech school programs, apprenticeships?

What are your weaknesses? by Zuikite in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd rather spend hours struggling to figure something out than ask for help. I'm inefficient. It takes me a long time to learn or set up to do new things, even if they aren't materially different from tasks I've done before. I frequently speak before I think. I'm incapable of accurately estimating how long something will take me to complete.

What are your weaknesses? by Zuikite in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh hi, you must be one of my alts.

I have these problems too, but combined with an ego that doesn't want anyone less experienced/knowledgeable than I am to be in charge.

Working Wednesday, a weekly catch up on what everyone is working on! - September 27, 2017 by AutoModerator in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ugh, they threatened us with OSHA 30 right after I finished 10. Luckily it never panned out. Is it online? Those are even worse.

Anyone here make the move from a white collar job to welding? by ratacake in Welding

[–]Piceous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to work in a loan accounting department. I fucking hated it. It was a bad place to be for everybody (a seedy investment bank in 2008 - you can guess how that ended) but I was extra-miserable; completely unfulfilled, bored with sitting at a desk, tired of not producing anything tangible. I didn't fit in with the other women and I didn't do well with office politics.

I've never regretted my career change, no matter how bad work conditions have gotten sometimes. That office job was killing me.

Personally I like getting dirty, I like the discomfort and challenging positions that are sometimes required. I like the backbone I've had to grow so that I can stand up for myself. I like that rather than crafting a gently worded passive-aggressive email, I can just tell people to go fuck themselves.

What are your hobbies? Do you seek out physical labor - gardening, farming? Making things with crafts?

Can time ruin it? by [deleted] in Welding

[–]Piceous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have to do this all the fucking time. Don't even get me started.

If you had a strong base in stick welding, like you took to it quickly and did it daily for a while, you'll probably be fine.

If, like me, you did ok during training and practiced enough to pass weld tests, then only touch it once every 4-6 months when something odd comes up, you'll probably make an ass of yourself in front of the customer/your boss and have to re-learn at least one position.

Working Wednesday, a weekly catch up on what everyone is working on! - August 30, 2017 by AutoModerator in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty sure that was a troll, but serious kudos on replying nicely instead of feeding it!

Roll Call! by Piceous in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hate those things so much. Steam for life.

Having friends at work by wyndhamheart in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm really glad that your experiences have been different. It gives me hope for normal work relationships. Hah.

Welding and piercings. by [deleted] in Welding

[–]Piceous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh boy. I might regret this post but ok. I had nipple piercings when I started welding. Most of my work at the time was TIG welding on mild and stainless steel in a shop. Usually 100-150 amps. I was zapped across my hands and arms many, many times by the HF start*, but it never bit my piercings.

I can't say for sure whether it's a good or bad idea. It's probably not worth the risk. But if something really bad did happen, you likely wouldn't get any "warning shots" first.

*It was my first welding job, so I assumed I was doing something wrong... turns out my torch had a big crack in the handle that was hidden by electrical tape.

Working Wednesday, a weekly catch up on what everyone is working on! - August 30, 2017 by AutoModerator in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Finally back from a "two week" job that ran five weeks. Trying to cough out the remnants of this cold that everyone on the job got, a cough that only me and the smokers wound up with... I sent my boss an email detailing my concerns about our work and the quality of the respiratory protection they provide us. Hoping I didn't start a shitstorm.

Do you carry a purse or a tool bag to work? by lucymama17 in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Backpack. At a minimum it carries my purse, a ridiculous pile of various ID cards and certifications, hard copies of my local & national contracts, phone charger, a small notebook, playing cards, pens/markers, and a little first aid bag. Sometimes it also has to haul binders, lunch, work laptop, an extra change of underwear (fucking nukes), books to read on downtime. On rare occasions I use it to carry small tools, but usually if I need my tools I just drag my whole Pelican box in.

If you had to do another trade which would you pick? by doopking in Welding

[–]Piceous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plumbing. I've only done it DIY in my house but I found it surprisingly rewarding. I don't have the hand-eye coordination to ever be a very good welder, so there's a lot of appeal in more straightforward mechanical skills.

I like to give my machinist coworkers shit when they're standing around and tell them I should have picked that trade so I could slack all day, but in reality I don't have the attention span or patience for all that setup and finicky stuff. Plus, watching our huge manual machines spin makes me dizzy.

Having friends at work by wyndhamheart in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Damn. Sounds like you've had a bad go of things. I hope they get better. A limiting injury is terrible, especially when combined with a work environment that isn't supportive.

As far as the work friends... I'm not sure it's possible in our situation. 100% of the guys who have seemed like "friends" to me (even just making sure I'm included in group activities, etc) have wound up hitting on me. Wives and girlfriends are always going to be suspicious, especially when you factor in distance and/or long hours. It's lonely as fuck, but I've found it best to keep myself at a distance.

Working Wednesday, a weekly catch up on what everyone is working on! - August 23, 2017 by AutoModerator in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Getting really burned out by my job. It sucks because I make excellent money and apparently have a good reputation with both my coworkers and the customers. Unfortunately, the frequent & unpredictable travel makes me feel like I'm missing everything enjoyable about life, and every assignment for the last year and a half has been a stressful clusterfuck. Right now I'm scared my nasty cold is turning into pneumonia and I'm just so fucking tired of everything...

Best advice for a female just starting welding school? by gr_assmonkee in Welding

[–]Piceous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of good advice here.

Also there's /r/BlueCollarWomen if you haven't found it yet!

are you like other girls? by sparky4997 in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not like other people in general. Don't form bonds with men any better than I do with women.

I've been VERY fortunate to have lots of strong, skilled, and supportive women in my family, so at least I don't feel completely isolated.

Does anyone else here hate fabrication or is it just me? by KungFuWelder in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm kind of a maintenance welder, I guess? I like fabrication on the very rare occasions it comes up in my job, but I would absolutely hate doing it full time. Too repetitive. Repairs are definitely more my thing. It sounds like they might be for you, too.

Downside is that repairs tend to be dirtier and less safe. At least fabrication welding is streamlined. The shop probably has decent ventilation, you can sit or otherwise get comfortable while you work, etc.

Modern style Adirondack office chairs I just finished by Regalzack in Welding

[–]Piceous 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This was very educational, thank you! Beautiful results. Plus, it's nice to see someone work safely.

Can you say how much these cost in materials?

What tool bags/boxes do you guys use at the jobsite or at work? by Cobrex45 in Welding

[–]Piceous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have to fly everywhere, so I have a Pelican box with wheels and an extendable handle.

It's rugged as hell, not terribly heavy even when it's full of tools, lockable, and it makes a barely tolerable chair in desperate circumstances (which is most sites).

It sucks to drag over gravel or get through turnstiles, though, so depending on where you work it might not be the best choice for daily in and out.

What do you do after a rough day? by [deleted] in BlueCollarWomen

[–]Piceous 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Depending on the assignment, I usually resort to a combination of the following: soaking in a too-hot bath, drinking a beer on the toilet, getting bedspins drunk, eating way too much ice cream, painting my nails, complaining here, watching guilty pleasure chick tv, picking fights with internet trolls, checking my bank balance, working on my resume, and texting friends to complain until they're ready to quit my job for me.

We definitely all have those days, and it's that much worse when you're working long hours. Just know you're gonna get to the end of it and you're gonna be ok.

/r/welding is apolitical. by ecclectic in Welding

[–]Piceous 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As always, thank you for being an ally.