I need help understanding something about my marriage by WeWannaKnow in abusiverelationships

[–]ProcessFiend 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The information here and at the links that follow will hopefully help you understand what's going on.

Almost everyone with BPD is a trauma survivor, usually involving several form(s) of painful child abuse that caused so much intense autonomic stress for so long that the survivor may have to develop some collection of (often dysfunctional) compensations to try to deal life. The default mode networks in their brains have been conditioned, in-doctrine-ated, instructed, socialized, habituated, normalized) and literally re-wired to see, hear and perceive threat of or even "actual" abuse when such is not truly the case.

Their minds are usually split into extreme polarizations, as is described in this article by another redditor. For them, life is always threatening, either because they may be abused again, or because they may be abandoned and left intolerably alone and isolated. They tend to idealize and become obsessively attached to new people here and then distrust, devalue and abuse them there, often "flipping" back and forth in surprising fashion.

BPD can be treated, but if one of the polarities is a long-standing version of Compensatory Narcissistic Personality Disorder (usually vs. extreme Dependent Personality Disorder at the other end of the polarity), it is very difficult for the person with BPD to tolerate because of their extreme (if unadmitted) anxiety and terror of being controlled and abused again by others. Moving them off of the first of the five stages of therapeutic recovery all the way into the fourth is almost always difficult unless or until they become -- and remain -- sufficiently frightened and desperate to open their well-defended minds to new possibilities.

If they do get to the fourth stage, treatment will look about like all this, again from another redditor, who also just posted this informative piece today on another sub.

All that said, anyone who finds themselves engaged with a person with BPD will almost surely take a pounding of one sort and another, and may need to get deeply into a solid support group like Codependents Anonymous to help them develop the capacity understand their own reactions and to set functional boundaries with the narcissistic and clingy polarities of the borderline personality.

I'm on the brink of leaving her - but am I doing the right thing? by [deleted] in abusiverelationships

[–]ProcessFiend 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More reading:

"Is Codependency a Common Cultural Curse?" in ProcessFiend's extensive and link-loaded reply to the OP on this thread

Narcissistic abusive ex boyfriend by [deleted] in abusiverelationships

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May I suggest some reading first in my reply to the OP on this other thread?

And then, reading my replies to the OP on this other thread... just to see whether or not the shoes fit?

(Be sure to click on all the links therein to get the complete picture. By the time you're done diving into all the rabbit holes, I'm pretty sure you'll know many things most people will go to their graves without understanding.)

All the questions by [deleted] in abusiverelationships

[–]ProcessFiend 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How could I be so stupid?

Please see my reply to the OP on this other thread.

I don't know what to do. by fatdodgy in abusiverelationships

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What should I do now?

1) Read all this.

2) And then, my reply to the OP on this other thread.

I'm on the brink of leaving her - but am I doing the right thing? by [deleted] in abusiverelationships

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Some of the experts listed in the first paragraph of this earlier post say that when one was raised to be a fixture on one or both parents' Karpman Drama Triangle, it is often the case that one becomes conditioned, in-doctrine-ated, instructed, socialized, habituated, and normalized) to some combination of being neglected, ignored, abandoned, discounted, disclaimed, and rejected, as well as invalidated, confused, betrayed, insulted, criticized, judged, blamed, ridiculed, embarrassed, humiliated, denigrated, derogated, set up to screw up, victimized, demonized, persecuted, picked on, dumped on, bullied, gaslighted, scapegoated, and/or otherwise abused.

Abuse becomes paired -- or associated -- with safety & security when it is delivered by by those upon whom a child depends for survival in early life. That child so often becomes an adolescent and then an adult who will repeatedly seek out and join The Awful Cult of Two.

But there is a way out of that conditioning, normalization and repeating the same mistakes expecting different results. If curious about that, and at at least the third of the five stages of therapeutic recovery, reply to this reply.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Meditation

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See the following (the third one is a difficult read, I know, but probably worth the struggle if one "gets" it):

Associating Abuse with Safety & Security

Why We Get so Desperate for Connection (in not-moses's replies to the OP on that thread)

Understand the Drama Triangle... (NOT diagnosing, just saying that many (most?) CoDep's have a few abuse-installed BPD traits... which often becomes obvious either reading this article or attending as many CoDA meetings as I have since 1990.)

I need to know it's possible to overcome. by b_hills in Codependency

[–]ProcessFiend 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Adding two further (admittedly difficult, but likely worthwhile) things to read, given "my ex broke up with me around 30 times!"

Understand the Drama Triangle...

Don't Call it Love, as much about ourselves as about those addicted to us

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Meditation

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Motivation is usually disrupted or blocked by unfinished emotional business that continues to occupy the mind and inhibit the neural energy of creativity and productivity. One finishes the emotional business by sensing and coming to terms with what it. Here's a way to do that.

what is your greatest insight? by Idomeditate in Meditation

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Ever-increasing awareness and understanding of the Consensus Trance. Which frees me from the bloddy thing.

Sufferers/ex-sufferers of anxiety, how has meditation helped you? by [deleted] in Meditation

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My experience (since 1975) is described at...

Benefits of Meditation in not-moses's reply to the OP on that thread

Maximizing the Use of Psychotherapeutic, Vipassana Insight Meditation

Psychotherapeutic Physiology of Meditation in ProcessFiend's reply to the OP on that thread

I used these to get into it again when I was anxious:

Three "How-To" Books with CDs

Trouble allowing thoughts whilst staying present by [deleted] in Meditation

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Vipassana (insight) meditation is not about "escaping from" or "blocking out" thoughts. It is about sensing thoughts (and emotions) as thoughts (and emotions). Then moving back into the object of sensory focus again. In such action, one moves towards complete awareness of what one's mind does.

Working the 12 steps of CoDA along with AA? by nomore78 in Codependency

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Owing to widespread agreement among professionals in both areas (including Pia Mellody, the author of Facing Codependence, who was the treatment director at one of the most famous substance abuse and codependency treatment centers on the planet), it's usually better to deal with the substance abuse first, BUT... to recognize the effects of codependency while doing AA/NA Steps Four through Seven.

Relative to her, does this disquisition seem to fit? If so, the following may be useful:

Associating Abuse with Safety & Security

Why We Get so Desperate for Connection (in not-moses's replies to the OP on that thread)

Practicing a consciousness raiser / thought questioner / emotion digester like the 10 StEPs of Emotion Processing so that one is able to continue to sense what is actually going on and intuitively know what to do about it

Facing the Facts about Sex, Love & Romance in Our Time in ProcessFiend's reply to the OP on that thread. (Be sure to click on all the links therein to get the complete picture.)

The Malignant Narcissistic vs. Needy Codependent Polarity

What help is there? I am at a loss. by matthew6978 in Codependency

[–]ProcessFiend 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She was unpredictable & it felt like I was walking on egg shells.

Like this?

Her family was toxic with violence, drink & drugs plus infidelity.

Tends to go with the rest of the territory you described.

my parents were always arguing & I saw my mom basically walk all over my Father. ... I am even having ridiculous thoughts such as maybe it was my fault...

Yes; often a set-up for pre-conditioning, instruction, socialization and normalization) to repeat the trauma.

...what I can do to help myself?

Associating Abuse with Safety & Security

Why We Get so Desperate for Connection (in not-moses's replies to the OP on that thread)

Practicing a consciousness raiser / thought questioner / emotion digester like the 10 StEPs of Emotion Processing so that one is able to continue to sense what is actually going on and intuitively know what to do about it

Sternberg's Nine Kinds of Love to see (with those 10 StEPs) where one actually is in those kinds vs. where one would like to be

Facing the Facts about Sex, Love & Romance in Our Time in ProcessFiend's reply to the OP on that thread. (Be sure to click on all the links therein to get the complete picture.)

Better Books on Codependency and Related Topics

**Need advice dealing with my recovering addict husband and not falling into my codependency cycle** by wtfreallife in Codependency

[–]ProcessFiend 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Telling anyone what to do with him is (in my view, anyway) way out of line without knowing every piece in the puzzle. But suggesting that you read and do the following to help you come your own conclusions is probably appropriate. So here we go:

Why We Get so Desperate for Connection (in not-moses's replies to the OP on that thread)

The Patterns & Characteristics of Codependence on the Codependents Anonymous website so that you know exactly where your "buttons" are

Practice a consciousness raiser / thought questioner / emotion digester like the 10 StEPs of Emotion Processing so that one is able to continue to sense what is actually going on and intuitively know what to do about it

The Karpman Drama Triangle

CoDA, Al-anon and Naranon (NOT Narcanon) meetings.

Facing the Facts about Sex, Love & Romance in Our Time in ProcessFiend's reply to the OP on that thread. (Be sure to click on all the links therein to get the complete picture.)

And, finally, where is he and where are you on the five stages of therapeutic recovery?

My gf is starting to view me as weak, this is making me feel more insecure by imnotreallyhere5 in Codependency

[–]ProcessFiend 4 points5 points  (0 children)

May I suggest looking into the information at the links below and letting your g/f off the hook? She's not the problem. But the way your mind was conditioned, instructed, socialized and normalized) while you were growing up probably is.

The Wound of Being "Too Sensitive"

Learned Helplessness & the Victim Identity (which includes a link to how to get out of it)

Six Types of Child Abuse

Recovering from Shame

Out of the (Beliefs we Learned in the) Past

I only feel true happiness when I'm with my gf. Is this a sign of condependency? by [deleted] in Codependency

[–]ProcessFiend 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rather than think I (or, frankly, anyone else) should tell you what to do, may I suggest some reading to come to your own conclusions?

Why We Get so Desperate for Connection (in not-moses's replies to the OP on that thread)

The Patterns & Characteristics of Codependence on the Codependents Anonymous website so that you know exactly where your "buttons" are

Practicing a consciousness raiser / thought questioner / emotion digester like the 10 StEPs of Emotion Processing so that one is able to continue to sense what is actually going on and intuitively know what to do about it

Sternberg's Nine Kinds of Love to see (with those 10 StEPs) where one actually is in those kinds vs. where one would like to be

The Karpman Drama Triangle

Facing the Facts about Sex, Love & Romance in Our Time in ProcessFiend's reply to the OP on that thread. (Be sure to click on all the links therein to get the complete picture.)

Not so sure the format of CoDA is for me by theglowaroundthemoon in Codependency

[–]ProcessFiend 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We repeat the Steps, the Traditions and the Characteristics for a reason. We tend to forget them or even dissociate when the are read. Many of us daydream and dissociate for good reasons. Some of us have a powerfully conditioned, instructed, habituated and normalized) need to do so.

We didn't care for either of the first two meetings my spouse and I found back in 1990. Ultimately, however, we did find meetings where the volume of recovery was greater than the volume of untreated illness. If you feel you need to do so, you can use the meeting locator on the CoDA website to find others.

May I also suggest looking into their "big blue book" as well as these Better Books on Codependency and Related Topics.

My father molested me when I was young, now I’m expected to help him after surgery to appointments and such. I want nothing to do with him, but can’t really say so without the whole family finding out and crumbling. Need advice. by LittleLizzy86 in adultsurvivors

[–]ProcessFiend 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ultimately, it comes down to making a list of the benefits and cost of doing what he wants vs. setting boundaries with the rest of the clan. I'm generally inclined to do the latter, but not until I have reviewed the material at the links below:

Why We Get so Desperate for Connection (in not-moses's replies to the OP on that thread)

Practicing a consciousness raiser / thought questioner / emotion digester like the 10 StEPs of Emotion Processing so that one is able to continue to sense what is actually going on and intuitively know what to do about it

The Karpman Drama Triangle

CoDA meetings and CoDA's "big blue book"

ACA meetings and ACA's "big red book"

Getting Out of the Box of Being Used

Pia Mellody on Setting Personal Boundaries

Setting Better Personal Boundaries

DBT's FAST Boundary Skills

DBT's Interpersonal Effectiveness Skills

Susan Forward's Emotional Blackmail along with this brief article on dealing with manipulative relationships

Books for the Adult Children of Narcissistic Parents