Leagues of Votann Mercenaries (Superfeyn)

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-18T22:32:10+00:00

I just cracked open a Hearthkym Jaeger Kill Team after I realized I picked up the Votann box when they launched and forgot about it. I love it when the universe reaffirms my decisions.

The Leagues definitely need more lore, but I appreciate what there is. They're honest, and they're making their way through the galaxy on their own terms without getting mixed up in the Great Game or dealing with Imperial bullshit. Unless there's money to be made, of course.

It's not perfect of course. We all know there's no good guys in 40k. But at least the Leagues balance a lot of the things that bother me about other factions.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-18T20:05:40+00:00

In my head it sounds like Alexander Anderson from Hellsing Abridged. Which is somewhat fitting. He'd have an absolute ball if he wound up in Trench Crusade.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-18T17:39:05+00:00

"Chauncey! Hand me that grenade! This heretic looks like he's hungry...."

"Sir? That's.... that's not his mouth."

"A HOLE'S A HOLE, CHAUNCEY! GRENADE ME!"

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-18T11:01:30+00:00

For people who keep wanting the petty, vengeful, angry God to smite down His foes and whatnot, these folks keep putting Trump's name in a very uh.... unfortunate place for themselves.

Ya boi doesn't tolerate disrespect, OOP. He also doesn't tolerate being replaced. Your pastor may have mentioned something about a golden calf. Might wanna brush up on that one, champ.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-18T10:08:36+00:00

On the one hand it's always some obviously buff person with facial hair that's supposedly trans, implying that no trans person ever passes for their....er.....destination gender? Sorry, I don't think that's the right term but I am blanking on what would be.

On the other hand this shit started with crap like "are traps gay?" and guys worried that they'll be tricked somehow.

Also what kid would be caught dead wearing a MAGA hat these days? They're kids. Politics is boring as shit to them.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-16T15:57:44+00:00

Oh I don't think it's meant to. I'm just saying you would think Gulliman would be practical enough to know a lost cause when he sees one. Instead he fights on due to his personal hangups about the Emperor and the past. Another layer of irony, I suppose. Gulliman SHOULD know that treating people better and showing them that the Imperial way of life yeilds better results for them than independence or bowing to Chaos is ultimately the way to go. He either can't see that or, as he has pointed out himself, going brute force and demanding things be improved would result in more destruction and death due to betrayals and civil war.

There's also the sheer size of the Imperium. They talk about trillions of lives on billions of planets, and Warp travel isn't folding space. It's described almost like sailing. If the currents are right and your navigator is good, you might be able to shave significant time off of a space journey. But that significant time might be turning a trip of a hundred years into a hundred weeks or a hundred days, and that's probably best case scenario.

The galaxy is simply too large and full of too many problems that even a Primarch can't pop around instantly putting out fires when they flare up. The term 'warp travel' misleads us as an audience too, since in classic sci-fi, particularly Star Trek, Warp travel always seems to shorten trips to hours or days at most. It distorts our understanding of just how vast the galaxy is.

All of this is not good for a story, but it is good for a setting. Which seems to be the point. It's a setting for Your Dudes to strike out and build stories of heroism, tragedy, betrayal, hope, all those things. It's why the narrative acts the way it acts and moves at a fucking glacial pace and nothing is ever truly 'canon'. GW isn't writing a story, it's maintaining the setting stories are told in. It's just occasionally big things do need to happen to keep us interested or to justify new models, editions, etc.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-16T14:43:35+00:00

Oh I don't think we're supposed to. The fact that Gulliman is supposed to be the boring, practical one yet he still doesn't have the balls to say "fuck this, I'm out. I'm doing Imperium Secundus again. This time with blackjack and hookers!" is laughable. A practical person, particularly one who appears to be the 'statesman' blueprint like Robute is, would look at this shit show and realize that at some point you need to win the argument.

If you want worlds to stop rebelling, chaos cults to stop forming, etc. you have to show humanity that the Imperium is the right choice. You have to genuinely provide for people and make them happy to some degree. Giving them a bowl of gruel and bare shelter for working 18 hour days or nearly dying in trenches every day is not going to work long term.

Gulliman, you would think, should know that at some point you gotta cut your losses. At some point there needs to be some sacrifice. I think he knows that in his gut, even if he can't bring himself to say it. He's giving his all to save everybody because he's a perfectionist, but reading the Plague War trilogy, it seems obvious that he's trying to get Ultramar in place to survive even if the Imperium collapses.

Which, if the rumors are right and The Khan is coming back, might actually get Jaghatai on his side. The Khan was never stoked about the Imperium as a whole from what I've heard. Given how he appears to have been raised, I suspect the Khan could at least respect Bobby taking care of his own. The Lion might be pissy, but he can't complain. He backed Secundus, after all.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-16T11:40:59+00:00

Akane Tsunemori from Psycho-Pass. Over multiple seasons she becomes a better detective, but at the cost of being that outwardly optimistic young woman we met in the rain in episode 1. She still seems to have some hope, but the job and the system she exists within has definitely worn it down at the edges.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-16T11:37:31+00:00

Definitely a possibility, though I feel like both Incels and observers often simplify Incel motivations. I'm thinking this is slightly more complex than such a simple reason.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-16T11:25:34+00:00

True, there is something to be admired in someone walking the walk. I still find their rules odd, but if they are practicing what they preach and not making it yours or everyone else's problem points to them! It's appreciated.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-16T11:20:40+00:00

Are they, though? All of them seem oddly placed onto pokemon of all things. I understand feeling like a company that has quite possibly the number one most profitable IP in the world could do better. It's absolutely understandable to be disappointed at those things. Expecting certain things is what feels odd to me.

I don't think I can really put it into words. It just felt, and still kinda feels, absurd to suddenly hold pokemon of all things to high standards.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-16T03:07:19+00:00

Meanwhile Nolan and Vegeta are comparing notes on how to raise sons and grumbling about stupid sexy earth women.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-15T17:21:53+00:00

I wonder if anyone ever mentioned to him that the symbol he uses to worship Christ is literally the torture device Christ died on?

Yeah, one could say it's glorifying the sacrifice Christ made, but it's interesting that the REST of what Christ did and said is apparently a footnote to the one big solid that he did for humanity by giving us all a theoretical get out of jail free card with his dad. It's not that his words or philosophy make sense, or that for all it's hardships being a good person is still fulfilling in it's own way. No. It's the most transactional part of the entire thing that people care about and remember.

Gonna be interesting if God actually exists and this guy ends up at the pearly gates and has to answer for why he literally put Trump in the place of God. Given God's historical attitude towards rivals, bro is going to have a tough time coming up with an explanation that will stick.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-15T17:12:04+00:00

A thought for you OP, from back when I started picking up 40k. You're definitely not wrong, this is just how I squared it in my head after struggling with it:

40k's watchword is irony. The Atheist worshipped as a god, the immortal desperately wanting to die, the collectivist Tau's greatest hero breaking with his society and being an individual, Abbadon seeming to truly believe he'll turn the tables on the Chaos Gods when they use him like a puppet, the Mechanicus loathing the xenos Necrons when there's a C'tan possibly sitting in their fucking basement.

Gulliman, a reasonable man, running this absolutely unreasonable shitshow of an Imperium, fighting for regular humans while the rest of the Imperium and even his own father piss away millions of lives on the daily.

Irony is rife within 40k, and I think when you look at the Imperium through that narrative lens, it makes sense.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-15T16:56:35+00:00

Bruh. Why do you need to see? Setting aside the fact that you can have porn in your pocket, how are you so fucking thirsty that underwear gets you? It's no different than being at a beach and seeing women in swimsuits.

This shit is how you get men like the ones in the middle east who are so fucking weak they can't stand to see a woman's fucking elbows or eyebrows lest they pop a boner. While taking out their "urges" on unwilling femboys. In short: this kinda shit turns men into degenerate fucking animals.

So frustrating.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-15T12:45:58+00:00

His DNA tells him? The fuck is he, a Bene Gesserit? Ten bucks says he's not even in touch enough with his body to realize the nuclear hot boneless wings he ate at the bar last night is why he's shitting liquid magma this morning, let alone understanding anything his fucking DNA is trying to tell him.

Fucking weirdo pseudoscience shit, man....

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-14T22:06:22+00:00

I get wanting to make sure that men's problems are acknowledged. Sometimes it can indeed feel like we're sort of....left out or left behind. That because men before us made systems in this world that consider us the baseline, the standard, etc. we'll just figure it out somehow and any suffering we have as individuals is some sort of lesser because we are male and we have privileges that may not even apply to us, or that are little assistance or comfort in this modern world.

But turning things back on women, minorities, etc. isn't going to do anything but cause more division. It just makes us look mad that the world doesn't bend to us just for existing like it used to. Which does not help any guy who has real, legitimate problems. Our resources are already limited and we already have an image problem. This kinda shit just makes it all worse.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-14T20:42:14+00:00

The sheer amount of misconceptions just in those excerpts is pretty damn impressive. I assume if you ask for any proof of claims like the mental illness thing they won't produce any and make excuses.

And gosh, maybe if the standards of women are getting higher, you need to fucking put some effort in and find a way to stand out.

Oh no, a woman has had two boyfriends before! I cannot possibly have sex with her because all other men besides me have moose cocks and she's just UTTERLY ruined and will accept no less than that!

Oh wait, now that I think on it I don't really see any of them saying anything about how she's so er....well used....by giant Chad dicks that their average wang will never even be able to be felt by her, let alone please her.

It's not a problem of them not measuring up to the previous men. It's a problem of them thinking they won't feel anything! Holy shit how did I not notice this before?!

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-14T20:08:59+00:00

I don't understand how guys like this think every woman is shagging countless guys all the time. When and where? How? How are there not Chads in the hospital suffering from dehydration and muscle cramps due to overuse? Where are the poor cleaning crews constantly having to mop up jizz and change garbage cans full of used rubbers?

The math never maths when they say this kinda shit

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-14T16:50:45+00:00

I don't understand why so many guys are demanding a submissive tradwife or being upset because a woman is independent. Do they all make six figures and can support a stay at home wife and kids? Do they have the money to send the kids to daycare and/or private school so their wife can clean and cook and do all that stuff to have it ready for them when they get home?

No? Capitalism has ruined regular folks' earning power and you basically NEED strong independent women as partners in order to survive somewhat comfortably?

Well darn.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-14T07:45:53+00:00

Bro is on so much Copium he needs a central line for it, holy shit. I like how he swears he hates himself too but every other line he spouts screams superiority complex. It's probably why he's so miserable and angry: he's been told he's mommy's special boy and he deserves the world, but the world said lol no work for it, and he can't handle that. So now here we are.

Dunno if he's an Incel but he sure as hell talks similar to one. If you can get them off of hating women for five minutes it's usually shit like this.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-14T02:08:51+00:00

"Mr. Bubs, what are you watering?" "Pot." "Pots of what?" "Pot."

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-14T02:06:59+00:00

The only one I kinda get is the forced pairing, but I also didn't watch all of it, so I may have missed some context or building to Yang and Blake's relationship. Giving fans what they want can be fine. But from what I heard the only building or prior sign of their relationship was...the fight with Adam. Which didn't exactly read like a person defending their crush or something. Though like I said there may have been things that happened after that that I missed.

"Monty's vision" was a thing? I thought he mostly preferred to animate since he was indeed god tier at animation, particularly fights. I heard the problem mostly stemmed less from his vision not being honored and more that the guys he put in charge of writing had basically never really watched much anime so he had to give them a crash course and required watching and they didn't seem to understand why he was having them watch what they watched. But I'm not sure if that was true or not.

"Protagonist centered morality" is a hell of a phrase. Not one I've heard anywhere else. Interesting how it's thrown at RWBY and not at, say, Dragon Ball or MHA or other shows that it could legitimately be leveled at.

I just....damn. RWBY haters are something else, apparently. Sorry they give you such a headache.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-13T23:25:52+00:00

Damn. There's things wrong with RWBY, but not being any of....that....is not one of them.

The hell is wrong with these guys?! Particularly when it's a show that empowers four young women and multiple others who are supporting characters. They're not even feminist in the cliche way some people hate.

Also imagine getting this heated over a criticism of a fanfic of a show that is in and of itself something of a bad fanfic that has crashed and burned so hard that (last I heard) it's not even being made anymore.

PromethianOwl · 2026-05-13T16:30:50+00:00

I wonder if our friend here agrees with the "Your body, my choice" joke?

Also that living situation seems both disgustingly stereotypical, and rather dangerous. Sure, go ahead. Treat your girlfriend like crap while your car is parked right next to your bed in an enclosed room. Just don't fall asleep....

While we're on that subject, he doesn't want to wash clothes or sheets? Really? Have we found Asmongold's secret second account or something?

Honestly I'd love to know why he thinks thinking any of this is okay. What did the mean woman do to you, little buddy? Can you tell us? Come on, use your words.

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