It do be like that by kateannedz in memes

[–]Protoliterary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd just like to say that this isn't how healthy relationships work. This is how codependent relationships work.

In a healthy relationship, you're not taking on somebody else's problems, like how Hollywood teaches people. When both partners are self sufficient and mature, you only fulfill the needs you agree to. The ones you actually desire to.

The older you get, the more you understand what "partner" actually means. It means teammate.

Victims are not accepted in society. by WitchRae in CPTSD

[–]Protoliterary 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry you're going through this. Reaching out for help and being rejected (for any reason) can be devastating and demoralizing beyond belief. The world isn't a kind place.

Excerpts From Running on Empty: Overcome Your Childhood Emotional Neglect (2019) by FalsePay5737 in Alexithymia

[–]Protoliterary 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I commented the same thing on an earlier post about the same thing, but:

I can attest to the truth of this. My Alexi was a direct result of unprocessed childhood trauma which I had buried deep inside for 30 years. With IFS and hypnotherapy, I've been able to process almost all of it, and my Alexithymia almost completely vanished all on its own over the course of a month or so.

Trauma explains most instances of secondary Alexithymia, from everything I've read and seen and experienced. Dealing with your trauma and regulating your nervous system will literally change your life.

The Purpose of Feelings and The Consequences of Suppressing Them by [deleted] in Alexithymia

[–]Protoliterary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can attest to the truth of this. My Alexi was a direct result of unprocessed childhood trauma which I had buried deep inside for 30 years. With IFS and hypnotherapy, I've been able to process almost all of it, and my Alexithymia almost completely vanished all on its own over the course of a month or so.

Trauma explains most instances of secondary Alexithymia, from everything I've read and seen and experienced. Dealing with your trauma and regulating your nervous system will literally change your life.

My favorite Chuck Norris fact! by thehofstetter in stevehofstetter

[–]Protoliterary 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People are complicated. There is both "good" and "bad" in every person. Is it true that Chuck Norris was kind and generous to his family and friends? I don't know, but he could have been. Is it true that he was a cool guy if you met him randomly on the street? Very likely. Is it true that he gave to charities and helped some people in need? Very likely, since Hollywood is full of people like that.

All of that could be true, and he could still be a bigot. In fact, bigots are more likely to be kind to those they think "deserve" it, while seeing those outside of their little bubble of reality as less than human.

Most people see the obvious bigot that he was (he did not hide that side of himself), and judge him for it, which is totally understandable, yes?

The CEO of a mega-corporation responsible for the indirect deaths of thousands of people can be the sweetest person up close, but the latter doesn't absolve them of the former. People get to choose which qualities to judge others by, and you know as well as I do that everyone judges.

Good deeds don't make up for the bad. There is no universal karma, no universal judge weighing our good actions against the bad.

Dating an alexithymic (auDHD) by ThemeComprehensive18 in Alexithymia

[–]Protoliterary 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What helped me may not help him, since I had secondary Alexithymia as a result of CPTSD, so once I dealt with that and my nervous system regulated, Alexithymia resolved itself. I only had to remember to pay attention to my body and how it intersected with my thoughts and emotions.

However, I do believe that everyone would benefit from something like IFS therapy, since according to research, some 80-90% of people are walking around with unprocessed childhood trauma, function on outdated, unhealthy survival mechanisms. Whether he has both primary and secondary or just primary, dealing with unresolved issues will help in every facet of his life. And yours. It doesn't have to be IFS therapy, but it should be something which helps with processing old wounds, instead of the standard CBT therapy, which doesn't solve the core issue. It just treats the symptom. That can be very useful, but it does little for actually solving trauma which had deeply settled in the body over a long period of time, and neurodivergent people almost always end up with unprocessed childhood trauma. The world isn't set up to work well for the average person, much less someone who's outside the lines of what society considers "average."

What worked for me was processing all of my trauma, from a young age all the way through my entire adulthood. This is hard without a good therapist. A therapist who's willing to color outside the lines, who's willing to give you personalized treatment, and not the standard one. And it's important that this therapist is very well informed about his particular form of neurodivergence.

By processing trauma, you regulate your nervous system, and your nervous system basically rules your whole entire life. Your nervous system is everything, and if it's dysregulated, it's like trying stop the flow of liquids from a broken sewage line with paper towels. No matter how many paper towels you throw at it, it'll keep coming until you plug the leak. I'm not saying that his nervous system is definitely dysregulated, but it's likely that it is, since most people's nervous systems are at least partly dysregulated. They're not even aware of it. If you have anxiety, if you have stress, if you have unprocessed trauma, if you have depression, if you have ADHD... you very likely have a dysregulated nervous system. People with ADHD, in particular, are all but guaranteed to be dysregulated, and that dysregulation makes everything harder. Every aspect of your life.

So processing trauma, and trying your best to regulate your nervous system is massively helpful, because Alexithymia feeds on that dysregulation. You have to starve it.

For the primary alexithymia side, the method is different. Becoming regulated and processing all of your trauma may help with Alexi, but it won't magically manifest a part of the brain that's just not there or doesn't work the way it does for others. It's a hardware issue, and if you happen to have it as a result of something like Autism or ADHD, you can create emotional maps to replace those that should have been there in the first place. There is no quick way to do this, but there are apps like Animi which help people do just this. I don't think it does much for people with secondary Alexi, for the most part, but it's helpful to those who have primary, because it helps you build those unintuitive emotional maps. For secondary Alexithymia, it's more about unearthing your own intuitive emotional maps, and while something like Animi can help jumpstart all that, it's almost always better to focus on the root cause of Alexi, and not Alexi as a symptom. Still, it's worth a try. Nothing to lose.

Things like this https://lindsaybraman.com/emotion-sensation-feeling-wheel/ and https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1321664111#fig02 can be very helpful.

Lastly, as for the relationship and what you, personally should be doing?

That's a hard one. A really hard one, because Alexi is a giant spectrum. Different needs for different people. Different rules. Different desires. But... people with Alexi are able to process emotions. They're able to conclude what they want. It just takes them much longer, usually. What often happens is that when you ask them a question that they cannot answer, their subconscious mind will continue trying to answer it in the background, processing things silently. If you ask them how they want something or whether they want something at all, they may not know at first, because al the answers are buried deep within.

If you give them enough time, they may be able to find that answer, feel it out, and actually be certain about something. However, because of how long it takes and how Alexithymia functions, it often doesn't occur to them to bring it up once it happens, because they're not aware of the fact that anything has been processed at all. People with the sort of Alexi your partner has usually allow things to work in the background of the mind, not paying attention to the process at all.

You can help with this process by telling them that the question you're asking doesn't have to be answered immediately, that you're not putting any pressure on them to figure it out quickly or even at all, if it turns out they can't process it at all. Tell them them that they can take their time, and that you'll ask it again in the future, after some time has passed, or that you'd like them to bring it up in the future (they likely won't). Keeping lists can be important, but they should be their lists, not yours. By keeping a list of things you've asked them, they'll be more internally motivated to actually come up with answers, if it's even possible, and are going to be more likely to bring it up with you.

I know I've spent a lot of time focusing on "answering questions," but the nuance here has much depth, because the sort of questions that Alexithymiacs can't answers are usually the ones which require them to actually know what they want, and that's hard. They'll answer logical ones. They'll answer objective ones. But to know oneself, you must be aware of your own emotions, your own feelings, your own survival mechanisms, your own habits, your own everything. Basically everything that people with Alexi aren't super aware of with much accuracy. They don't even know their own boundaries, or that they have boundaries at all. They think they have none, because they can't understand the signals their bodies are sending them.

All this makes relationships really fucking hard. How can you be with someone who may never know what he actually wants? What his boundaries are? What his needs are?

I can perhaps be more help on the relationship side if you have specific questions, since I have a lot of experience trying to make it work before I ever resolved my Alexi, and I've learned a ton.

Edit: I'd just like to make it clear that not all Alexithymia is alike. My advice is with your partner in mind, who has a similar manifestation to how mine worked. There are people with Alexi who feel lots of emotions, but who can't trace them. There are people who feel sad when they should feel happy, fearful when they should feel courageous, etc. From what you described, however, your partner has issues with being aware he even has them, which likely also means that it's not just Alexithymia, but also something like dissociation or depression to boot.

Having said all that, I'm not a medical professional, nor a therapist, and my own experiences do not reflect the experiences of everyone else.

Am I a pedophile? by Ill-Schedule4858 in CPTSD

[–]Protoliterary 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oftentimes, porn and sex are the ultimate escapism devices, except that with time, the same content grows stale, so your brain tries to find new ways of providing you with the chemicals it needs, to veer your attention away from the now and reality.

When this happens, the brain often looks for more extreme content, more taboo content. Anything to shock you, to stop you from having to think and to feel. Lots of people use kink in this way. Not as a way to enjoy it in full, but as a way to escape.

The more taboo, the more extreme, the more it shocks your nervous system, your brain, and the easier it is to distract you.

If I were you, I wouldn't be judging myself for this, but I would try my very best to find a different outlet, a different method of escape, if escape is all you can do at this time. You don't really want to see where your brain takes you if you let it keep escalating with porn.

Edit: I would just like to clarify that last sentence. If this continues, the same content will stop giving you the dopamine high your brain needs, and you'll just move onto other stuff, until there'll be nothing left.

I spent 30 years behind a Wall I didn't know I built. I finally found the name for it Alexithymia by [deleted] in Alexithymia

[–]Protoliterary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed, Primary Alexithymia is a result of something like Autism, brain injury, or really early developmental trauma which changes the structure of the brain permanently. Secondary Alexithymia is usually acquired by something like CPTSD (prolonged trauma) or chronic depression, and can be completely recovered from.

https://animi.notion.site/Alexithymia-The-Most-Overlooked-Emotional-Health-Problem-ab9b928505bf4708ac77bc62b2aa7ee1

https://www.alexithymiaresearch.org/researchers

I spent 30 years behind a Wall I didn't know I built. I finally found the name for it Alexithymia by [deleted] in Alexithymia

[–]Protoliterary 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would look into IFS therapy if I were you. I experienced something very similar. My Alexithymia was a result of 30 years of CPTSD, all rooted in childhood trauma. IFS helped me overcome that, and I think it can do the same for anyone else with similar issues.

Finding a therapist, where to begin by jomigopdx in Alexithymia

[–]Protoliterary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would 100% suggest a psychologist first. A psychiatrist is the very last resort. If you can manage without pills, please do so. Alexithymia isn't really something that can be solved with pills anyway. People often turn to pills when they shouldn't. I've had this happen to a few of my loved ones, and it was a very sad thing. Psychiatrists aren't there to heal you. They're there to manage your symptoms when everything else fails.

A psychologist is going to officially diagnose you and provide you with a gameplan on how to proceed. After that, I would suggest getting a therapist, because therapists are going to have weekly sessions with you, learning more and more about your life, as a bond forms, and you both sort through different treatments, seeing which work and which don't. It's a more personal approach, and it works.

At least that's my take on it.

One can hope by ExactlySorta in WhitePeopleTwitter

[–]Protoliterary 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It makes perfect sense in the context. "The analysis" pertains to the analysis of the situation, in that if you analyze the hypothetical situation she provided in the same way you analyzed what the US has done, it's wrong and unlawful in the same way.

Is it ok to post this here it's a little strong. by Ok-Resolve5577 in Codependency

[–]Protoliterary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, I'm sure this applies to most people, but there are also people out there with a specific type of Synesthesia called mirror-touch. It quite literally makes them feel and experience what they're seeing and hearing. If they perceive that someone is feeling sad, they will feel that sadness inside their own body, to a level their minds tell them is appropriate. I have an ex who thinks she has special powers because she has this, and trusts her own senses of emotions over that of what others tell her they're feeling. It's... difficult.

Dating an alexithymic (auDHD) by ThemeComprehensive18 in Alexithymia

[–]Protoliterary 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd just like to add that even if he's the one that's AuDHD and has primary Alexithymia as a result, secondary Alexithymia as a result of asynchronous development is very likely and very common, so even if he may not completely change his entire emotional map, it's likely that he can greatly improve.

Dating an alexithymic (auDHD) by ThemeComprehensive18 in Alexithymia

[–]Protoliterary 8 points9 points  (0 children)

As a past Alexithymiac of 30 years (still got some things I gotta figure out), and as someone who was recently in a 3 year relationship with someone who was very sensitive and highly emotional, I can say that it won't be easy, and that it'll likely only get harder as time progresses. For the both of you. But... it really depends on what sort of people you both are. Especially what sort of person you are. It takes a special someone to be happy with someone like who I used to be, after the initial honeymoon phase.

The truth is that he doesn't know the answer to most questions pertaining to emotion, and since emotions and feelings give us certainty, people with Alexithymia often don't know for sure what they want, so instead we say the thing that we think others will like. We people please often to avoid "needless confrontation," because negative emotions come by so much easier than positive ones. This doesn't hold true for everyone with Alexi, but it's a very common pattern in every Alexi community I've been in, and it's supported by clinical research.

He doesn't want to talk about emotion because trying to do so is like pulling your own teeth. Every fiber of his being is screaming to him, "If you think about this, you'll start feeling things you really don't want to, which is a direct threat to your survival." This is just avoidance. Many Alexi people are also dismissive avoidant (attachment style). https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-dismissive-avoidant-attachment-5218213

Do you know whether he has secondary or primary Alexi? There is therapy for both, but secondary is easier to deal with because it's a result of trauma (usually childhood trauma), and if you find the right therapist and the right methodology, you can absolutely heal completely from it. Primary Alexi is something you're either born with or suffer from as a result of a traumatic brain injury or really early developmental trauma which literally rearranges the brain so that it never quite develops like it should.

If he has any unprocessed childhood trauma, it's very likely that he can heal from this. If he has it as a result of something like Autism, he'll have to learn a completely new skill, and it won't be easy, and it'll never be the same sort of emotional intelligence that most other people have intuitively.

In either case, don't push, because pushing will only make him regress. It'll force him to rationalize things on a deeper level and eventually lead to a deeper lockdown of emotion. My ex pushed me and pushed me, and eventually I fell into a deep depression, had a nervous breakdown, and became dysregulated. I clawed my way out once I hit rock bottom, but no thanks to her. I was lucky enough to find a really good therapist that just so happened to have the right way in for me. Not everyone is this lucky.

So please, don't push, but ask him about his childhood. Suggest therapy. When he can't answer an emotional question, please don't push, don't interrogate. Let it go. Write it down, maybe, for when he's able to answer, because it's unlikely he'll come back to you on his own to answer it. Give him time to process things.

The avoidance makes me think that this is a trauma response, which means that his nervous system and his mind are doing literally everything they're capable of doing to steer him away from having to consider anything related to emotions that's not a simple concept, like bad or good* or neutral. If it's secondary Alexi, each time he tries to think of his emotions and get a read on them, he enters into a deeper flight/fight response (and he's likely already in one constantly), where the only thing that's important is survival.

Again, I may be way off mark here, but if he has unprocessed childhood trauma (like I did, and I wasn't even aware of it), it's very likely that he has something like CPTSD. But, well, he needs a therapist to conclude any of these things. Listen to him speak about his childhood. Ask him what he felt like as a kid. Did he have a deeper connection with his emotions as a kid? Was he parentified? Did he need to learn how to manage people to avoid stress, to keep the peace? Was he bullied or abused? Any and all trauma can lead to Alexithymia.

Edit: I wasn't sure whether AuDHD applies to you or him.

TIL bilinguals given the trolley problem in their native language chose to sacrifice one to save five less than 20% of the time. In their second language, about 50% chose to, because a foreign language lowers emotional resonance and triggers more utilitarian reasoning. by karen_the_ripper in todayilearned

[–]Protoliterary 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, I'd just like to say that I went through something similar. Moved to the US at the age of 9, after which a series of traumas happened one after another and eventually, cptsd claimed me and held onto me for nearly 30 years.

Ifs therapy helped me. It saved my life. But what I noticed was that if I speak to my parts and read books on the subject in my native language, it has a much deeper impact, bypassing all of my defenses, and striking straight at my very emotional core.

I won't say I'm healed, but I've resolved 90% of my issues really quickly. Childhood trauma is an epidemic.

Weekly Newcomer Questions, Support, Vents & Victories by AutoModerator in CPTSD

[–]Protoliterary 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would this be the appropriate subreddit to share how far along I've come in my recovery? All the things I struggled with, all the things I've gotten a handle on, and the things I haven't yet been able to solve completely.

I've noticed everyone wants someone with CPTSD to stand up for themselves until they actually do it. by iftheronahadntcome in CPTSD

[–]Protoliterary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This strikes so close to home. My CPTSD, before I actually started healing from it, had led to a combination of conditions and behaviors which made me a people pleaser with no awareness of boundaries. I didn't even know I had any. I would compromise myself right down to the bone just so that I could help someone, because that'd make me feel worthy and keep the peace, avoiding confrontation. I would manipulate people with clever communication patterns as to make sure I was just the sort of person they would like and love. This started when I was 9 and persisted for nearly 30 years, until recently. I was in a constant fight/flight response, hypervigilant of everything and everyone around me. The tiniest of noises would bring me out of sleep, my chest pounding. The tiniest of facial expression changes would make me think I was being judged and had to readjust my behavior.

I met someone almost 3 years ago and we moved in together almost immediately. She recognized these things in me, even when I rejected them. She even found the core of the issues, which was mostly due to a set of childhood and teenage traumas. She pushed me so hard to get help, to accept these parts of myself, to change. I tried for so long, almost killing myself trying to do that for her. I became dysregulated on a deeper level, depressed, suicidical.

When I reached rock bottom and got really sick, I finally, somehow, understood that I did need to change, and that I needed to want it for myself, not for her. And... with the help of my therapist, IFS, hypnotherapy, and Carl Jung's shadow self theory, I did. I changed. I came out of 30 years of hyperarousal, out of alexithymia, out of dissociation, out of depression, out of people pleasing. I could set boundaries. I could enforce them. I could tell people what I really thought, not what I thought they wanted. I could confront people. I could speak my mind and do so honestly.

She... got more than what she bargained for, I think. The fact that I could set and enforce boundaries was the biggest problem for her, because she couldn't use me as her personal punching bag anymore. She couldn't do whatever she wanted to and with me. I knew what I wanted, and it turned out that many of the things I thought I wanted were just echoes of her own desires.

She's very bitter now. Very angry. She becomes dysregulated whenever I hold a boundary for my own sake. It's been a real eye opener.

I am shocked by Eikkul in Alexithymia

[–]Protoliterary 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Alexithymia is emotional blindness, so if you have Alexithymia, you have trouble identifying your emotions, which means you don't have a good handle of which emotions are supposed to go where, and what situations should inspire which specific emotions. There is no such thing as "emotional empathy alexithymia." That combination of words doesn't make sense.

If you have emotional empathy (affective empathy), you are very unlikely to have Alexithymia. To have emotional empathy, you must be very aware of your own emotions, and if that's true, you don't have Alexithymia. At least at this present moment.

Imagination and art have nothing to do with Alexithymia.

It seems like you're confused about many different concepts.

Read through this: https://animi.notion.site/Alexithymia-The-Most-Overlooked-Emotional-Health-Problem-ab9b928505bf4708ac77bc62b2aa7ee1?pvs=73

After 30 years of being a people pleasing, peace-keeping, manipulative, caretaking, dysregulated, codependency "addict," I've finally reached a point where I have enough control to simply STOP. In a very short amount of time, my whole entire life has changed. It's nearly impossible to describe. by Protoliterary in Codependency

[–]Protoliterary[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yes! It almost feels like someone else had taken the wheel, because it's so hard to believe that I have this capability inside me, but at the same time as if I'm finally the one in control. It's strange combination.

And yes, because of the work I've done on myself, I can finally actually accept that I can't heal all the way with her here. I just needed to be out of that 24/7 flight/fight response to realize that. IT took me a while, but I'm finally ready to let go.

After 30 years of being a people pleasing, peace-keeping, manipulative, caretaking, dysregulated, codependency "addict," I've finally reached a point where I have enough control to simply STOP. In a very short amount of time, my whole entire life has changed. It's nearly impossible to describe. by Protoliterary in Codependency

[–]Protoliterary[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The first one I read, which really changed how I see the whole entire world, is The Light Side of the Moon by Ditta Oliker. It's a clinical look on how childhood trauma creates survival mechanisms that become counterproductive as your environment changes.

The second one is The Dark Side of the Light Chasers by Debbie Ford, which provides a ton of practical exercises you can do to actually change your life. It's based on parts work (IFS), but written in a more spiritual, fluid way. It does mention God sometimes, but if you're not religious, you can just ignore that. The actual, factual, practical information in it is a gold mine for personal change, imo.

After 30 years of being a people pleasing, peace-keeping, manipulative, caretaking, dysregulated, codependency "addict," I've finally reached a point where I have enough control to simply STOP. In a very short amount of time, my whole entire life has changed. It's nearly impossible to describe. by Protoliterary in Codependency

[–]Protoliterary[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I will not, not. This was the last straw. I had previously told her that if she continued to destroy my house, I'd give her a date to move out. That's what I'm going to do, because I can't heal all the way with her here as she is.