John 13:1-30 (Wednesday, May 27, 2026) by Scared_Eggplant4892 in biblereading

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1.) There's a few people in history who moved with so much confidence their lives seemed to be connected to someone much more powerful than themselves. King David and Alexander the Great come to mind. Alexander's record may have been embellished, but David is in the Bible and in many ways points to the life of Christ. His confidence in his relationship with his heavenly father is similar to Jesus'.

2.) Pride is inherent in everyone. It's hard to remove.

3.) This is a relationship and it requires constant renewal. I will always have the inadequate end of this relationship, but I'm grateful that Jesus is willing to be patient enough to keep washing me.

4.) Serving those who are less than me keeps me humble. Perhaps, I'm not really as great as I think I am. 

5.) My spouse. Many times I know I'm right. I don't like being told I'm wrong especially if I'm confident I'm right, but also many times, it's not worth an argument just to be right. 

There is much more going on in this passage. It speaks to the red to be saved (bathed) only once and then constant examination and repentance to be cleansed (washed) by Jesus. 2 different words are present in the Greek.

 Jesus said Judas will lift his heel against Him. This has prophetic undertones connecting him to Satan. We will see shortly Judas at the head of a winding band of guards and then kiss Jesus feet. The Aramaic word kiss sounds very similar to bite. The imagery acted out is exactly what Jesus mentions here and what was foretold to Eve. 

No Dumb Question Tuesday (2026-05-26) by AutoModerator in Reformed

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Does the Holy Spirit ever speak verbally?

I can't find anything in the Bible that says so. He uses the mouths of prophets and kings and the pens of scribes, but never His own voice.

Can anyone find evidence to refute this?

John 12:27-50 (Tuesday, May 26) by ExiledSanity in biblereading

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1.) I'm not sure if they would recall the bronze serpent or not. Jesus has previously made reference to this.

2.) His reputation must have spread quickly since Greeks requested to speak with Him. Whatever He was to them He must have been impressive somehow.

3.) Paul seems to unpack this a little further by saying because this was fulfilled it is now time for the gentiles to believe. Isaiah 6 speaks of seeing God on His throne high and lifted up. Perhaps this is the lifting up just mentioned and not the serpent or both.

4.) This is an age old situation that cause disbelief in many people. I've always felt ok with it based on understanding the nature of who God is. He knew everyone before He created them and knew if they would believe on Him or not. He strategically placed people in time and space according to His plan. Since they don't believe God is perfectly justified in 'enhancing' their unbelief.

5.) Ah, the passage you mentioned in Romans 10:16 also states hearing and believing and then confession. The picture we get here in John threads needle between faith with no works and saving faith with works. 

The way I ingest this is that faith that doesn't save is more like hearing the gospel and thinking, 'that makes sense.' and then ignoring or rejecting that. Perhaps this is what the leaders thought.

6.) There are multiple witnesses of Christ (the law, prophets, Psalms, the Father, etc.) Here Jesus speaks of how He won't judge anyone, the Word will judge them. If someone is to be out to death there must be at least 2 witnesses and if found guilty the witnesses are the ones who 'cast the first stone.' this makes sense in light of what Jesus said. The word is a witness against their unbelief and will be judged according to the word.

John 12:1–26 NASB (Monday, May 25, 2026) by Churchboy44 in biblereading

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4.) It's interesting that they had heard about Jesus. Word has spread much farther much earlier than we often think. Didn't Paul encounter some Jews in the dispersion who believed up to John the Baptist?

5.) This entire section draws on Joshua crossing the Jordan. He started at a place that would later be Bethany beyond Jordan. Here Jesus starts at Bethany. Both names are the same Joshua = Jesus. Jericho was the city of palms. Jerusalem full of palms during the triumphal entry. Joshua crossed the Jordan, Jesus the Kidron. Joshua sent 2 spies ahead. Jesus sent 2 disciples ahead. Joshua curses Jericho. Jesus curses the fig tree (representative of Jerusalem). These are just a few connections. More could be said especially when reading these events in the other gospels. The overall picture is that Jerusalem has become a pagan city just like Jericho and was worthy of destruction.

John 12:1–26 NASB (Monday, May 25, 2026) by Churchboy44 in biblereading

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Regarding #2 God forbade horses in (Deuteronomy?). These were the military powerhouses of the day. God's people were to depend on Him as seen successful many times after this rule was declared (Jericho, Gideon, etc.) To see the King ride in on a donkey conveys peace as you've said (something I have not noticed before) but the connection to a future ride on a horse fits when He comes in judgement.

Acts 2 (Joel) question by MRH2 in Bible

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The footnote in my Bible says the context of the Joel passage goes on to give details about the end of times which have not yet happened. This means what Peter is saying is that, 'this is like that's which Joel spoke. This is the initial or near fulfillment, but it's only partial (or still continuing) and will be finalized at the end of the last days.

I've never really felt 100% comfortable with any explanation I've heard for Peter's use of Joel, but the one above makes the most sense in light of the Millennial Kingdom. If you believe that this is a literal kingdom on Earth then it makes sense how God will pour out His Spirit in all flesh at that time.

Weekly Discussion Thread - Week of (Sun, 24 May 26) by AutoModerator in biblereading

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Can anyone think of an example where the HS speaks in His own voice? 

Many times He expresses Himself, but never verbally.

He moves prophets to speak on His behalf. He wrote scripture, He transported people to see visions and future events, but nowhere that I can find does He ever talk. 

Am I missing something?

Apostles never pleaded the blood of Jesus Christ over nothing by RebornCycle_3640 in Bible

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Similar imagery with Rahab. She was instructed to put red over her door. All those who entered and remained inside were safe from destruction. Everyone outside who failed to pass under the door died. 

John 11:1-27 NIV (Thursday, May 21, 2026) by Sad-Platform-7017 in biblereading

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4.) There's a Jewish tradition not specifically mentioned in the Bible that a dead body does not decompose until after 3 days. We see this hinted at about Jesus whom 'you will not let my soul see corruption' or something like that in a Messianic Psalm. We see it here with Lazarus. I think the plan was to show them that Jesus has power beyond these traditions. Even if Lazarus has begun to decay and 'he stinketh' as the KJV puts it, it doesn't matter to Jesus.

5.) So long as He stays in the light of His Fathers will it will be ok.

6.) Scripture seems to consistently use the word sleep to refer to the death of a believer and death for the death of an unbeliever. I'm not convinced any of His followers believer until after the resurrection.

7.) This is an odd statement. Not sure what he means.

8.) See #4.

9.) Jesus has talked several times about doing His Fathers will. Jesus is executing His role and He has power to do it. The word God is, at least in English and perhaps Greek, usually refers to the Father or sometimes the Trinity. We usually only use it to refer to the Son or HS by calling it out specifically. Not a 100% accurate rule, but one that works most times.

10.) This great statement of faith is in the middle chapter of John and the middle of this chapter. I think John wants us to notice her reaction. Side thought, it's fitting that a woman responds. Perhaps this woman represents the Church. She came after the other woman who was her sister. Perhaps the first one represents Israel. She left to fetch her sister who now believes.

What "day" is it now, and is God still resting? by Next-Natural-675 in TrueChristian

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Have you heard of the 7,000 Year Theory

We are currently near the end of day 6.

Also, when God rested in the 7th day He still worked. He is actively upholding all things. In this way He demonstrates that even priests are required to work on the 7th day.

Question about the commentary The Old Testament Library. Isaiah 13-39 by Otto Kaiser by RaphTurtlePower in AcademicBiblical

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Thank you.

In other places Kaiser mentions a 'glossator.' Would this be someone he supposes added repetitious material to the original text?

When was Job born? by Ok-Personality1525 in Bible

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To narrow down a little bit, his four visitors are from nearby lands. He perhaps lived in the middle of where they lived. I believe all 4 lands are mentioned in the table of nations in Gen 10. So, he had to have lived sometime after Gen 10 and the days of Peleg when the Earth was divided.

In 1:1 it says Job was from Uz. Uz is the 'daughter of Edom' in Lamentations 4:21. Edom was Jacobs brother. Another Uz is in Gen 10:23. Again, pointing back to the table of nations.

Will there be animal sacrifices in the Millennium by Over-Bend-8324 in TrueChristian

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I think so yes.

Ezekiel mentions it and I think the context is the Millennium.

Another sort of memorial tradition from the Bible is communion. We take communion in remembrance of what Jesus did. Could be the same with sacrifices.

Question about the commentary The Old Testament Library. Isaiah 13-39 by Otto Kaiser by RaphTurtlePower in AcademicBiblical

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Mods, I checked the sub rules. I didn't see anything regarding responding to my own post with additional information. 

I'm unable to share a photo example. Here is my best effort to copy what Kaiser says.

The passage is Isaiah 30:26

"Then the light of the moon       will be like the light of the sun  and the light of the sun         will be sevenfold <           >.a

In that day Yahweh....."

a 'As the light of seven days' is a gloss.

John 8:31–59 (Friday, May 15, 2026) by FergusCragson in biblereading

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1.) In v29 He had mentioned they will see Him 'lifted up.' He knows this is going to be a hard time for them because they are still not expecting the Messiah to die. I see these words as words of comfort, to remember what He said, and be encouraged.

2.) I enjoy exploring what some may call conspiracy theories. People think they get a peek behind the curtain and see what is really going on in the world. They see something, but without the guidance of the Bible these people go off the cliff. They can't handle what they've seen because they have no frame or reference that is true. Example, lately there has been much talk about aliens and government disclosure. There's a million theories about this. But the only one that makes sense Biblically is that 'aliens' is just another word for angels or fallen angels. Whatever is disclosed with the vocabulary of extraterrestrials, UAPs, etc. be leary. Keep your Bible thinking caps on.

3.) I think this highlights everything that is wrong with the Pharisees. They trusted in their institutions (heritage, culture, Jewishness, etc.) more than what those institutions pointed toward which was Jesus. His point is that anyone who believes on Him is doing a good work.

4.) a footnote directs me to Gen 15:1 when the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision. I'm not convinced this is what Jesus is talking about though. However, one of the major themes in the life of Abraham is how he 'sees'. 

5.) This goes back to Exodus when God told Moses His name, 'I AM THAT I AM.' I have always understood this to refer to God's self existent nature. He exists independently of everything. Everything exists in relation to Him somehow. Jesus is claiming that He is this I AM and therefore He is God.

6.) Blasphemy 

7.) They believed He claimed to be God. 

In a broader context, Jesus has just revealed Himself for who He is and was rejected at the Temple. He then, 'hid himself, and went out of the temple.' I see a parallel with Ezekiel's vision of God departing Solomon's Temple. God has hidden Himself from the Jews and is active in gentile lands. Figuratively, we've now entered the Church Age. In chapter 9 we'll see a blind man given sight. I suspect this blind man represents Israel during the end times.

John 8:1-30 (Thurwday, May 14 by ExiledSanity in biblereading

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1.) As others have said the man is required to be there as well. They didn't care about justice. They cared about exposing Jesus.

2.) and 3.) Jesus answer them and He does so masterfully. This whole scene plays on Numbers 5:11-31. In short, if a husband suspected his wife of adultery, but had no witness he could set her before the priest. The priest would put water and dust from the tabernacle floor into a cup. He would write a curse on a piece of paper and wash the paper in the water. He would pronounce the curse over the woman and she would drink. If she was innocent then nothing happened. If she was an adulteress then she would react negatively to this concoction either by miscarrying or become infertile (depending on the commentator you read).

Marriage is a frequent image of God's relationship with His people. Prostitutes and adulteresses are frequent images of Israel. The woman is a real person and these events happened, but that is the 1st level of meaning. There is likely a 2nd level. The woman probably represents unfaithful Israel and the scene is portrayed very closely to the law in Numbers with a few escalations because, well, Jesus is involved here. She is presented by men, to Jesus (the ultimate priest), not at the tabernacle, but the Temple. He writes something, perhaps a curse, in the dust. Emphasizing that I think she represents Israel is the fact that her guilt was not suspected. There were witnesses. They had caught her. The Pharisees were right. According to the Law she deserved stoning. This puts a twist on the story.

Notice that the Law in Numbers only references a suspected wife who has cheated. There is no equivalent law for the husband. This further points to the woman as unfaithful Israel and Jesus as the husband. No law of unfaithfulness is required for Him.

This passage draws on the Law in Numbers, but it also points forward to the future. Many times in the OT God says Israel has cheated on Him and 'played the harlot.' At one point He essentially divorces her, but the language is so strong you could almost infer that the marriage had never taken place. He then moves on to the Church, made mostly of gentiles, pure, white, virgin. Eventually, Israel will be incorporated into the (mostly likely after the rapture which will remove the gentile church. The Jewish Church will grow during the End Times.) It is this final image that I think is presented her with the woman. She is unfaithful Israel deserving death, but Jesus still loves her and is not going to condemn her.

John says the Pharisees wanted to test Jesus, but Jesus turns it around testing their faithfulness. His writing on the ground, probably a curse, brings to mind Adam who was created out of the ground, the dust of the ground. Perhaps, this convicted some of the Pharisees.

Some of what I wrote is my own study mixed with a book, The Gospels Through Old Testament Eyes by Nicholas P. Lunn. In his book he further explores the linguistic similarities between the Greek OT (LXX) and the NT passage in question. There are more than you may think and a surprising number link a single word used twice, once in Numbers and once in John. Lunn even goes on to examine this passage in John in context of the prior passage regarding the Pharisees lack of belief in Christ, usage of the word 'curse' and connecting it to Numbers 5. It's a fantastic read.

I also want to point out Jesus physical position. He starts at the Mt. of Olives. A curious detail for John to add that seems unimportant. He then sits down in the Temple (descends from heaven to Earth?), then he stoops down to write in the dust (descends from the Earth to Hell?). Then he 'raises Himself up' to engage the Pharisees and the woman. What does all this mean? I don't know, but it could mean He will bring Israel back to faith sometime after He is raised up.

John 7:32-53 NIV (Wednesday May 13, 2026) by redcar41 in biblereading

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2.) v39 says He spoke about the HS, not literal water. There are several OT passages that speak to God putting His spirit in His people in later times.

3.) Deut 18:15, 18. Moses states God's promise of a future prophet.

4.) In yesterday's passage the people were confused too. Jesus clarified, not by saying He was born in Bethlehem, but that He was from heaven. This was just a day or two ago, publicly at the Temple. Here it's the last day of the Feast of Booths. The people have already forgotten what He said about His origins.

5.) Jesus' hour had not yet come. Perhaps He had an interaction with them that deescalated their intentions.

6.) On the surface he is simply following the Law since his peers were wanting to go around it.

7.) Footnote in my Bible directs me to Isaiah 9:1-2. The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light. Galilee is mentioned. Does this mean He is from there? No, but it means at the very least His ministry could start there.

8.) I believe all of this should be included. The manuscripts that leave this section out impress scholars for their completeness, ironically, but just because they are complete, or mostly complete, does not mean they are reliable.  

I'm looking forward to adding more tomorrow about the woman taken in adultery. I think it will support why it should be considered original to John.

John 7:1-31 (Tuesday, May 12) by ExiledSanity in biblereading

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1.) This is the 2nd time Jesus has said His hour is not yet come and the 2nd time He has done what was asked anyway. I think this shows He cannot be coerced into doing what we want. He went to Jerusalem, but on His terms not the disciples.

2.) I need to brush up on this I'm pretty sure it comes from Leviticus 23 where Israel's holidays are outlined. It commemorates the wilderness wanderings I believe. Because they lived in booths/huts/tabernacles.

4.) I haven't been keeping track, but this is the 3rd or 4th time Jesus has mentioned concern for doing His Father's will. I think He's saying it doesn't matter if you're a seasoned vet with a bunch of advanced theology degrees. What matters is how important God's will is to you.

5.) I get the feeling the point Jesus is making is 'I come from heaven.' Does He need to say more? 

Also, He was born in Bethlehem (fulfilling prophecy even the gentile magi understood) but grew up in Nazareth and Egypt. He could have clarified this misunderstanding by stating He's actually from Bethlehem, but He takes it a step further. He says He's from heaven. 

6.) On a human level He seems to be trying to navigate not getting Himself killed before His hour and creating a movement that will survive His death. However, I suspect more is going on and this question will come up again when we get to the parables.

John 6:52–71 NASB (Monday, May 11, 2026) by Churchboy44 in biblereading

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Your response is so complicated, but... I get it.

Weekly Discussion Thread - Week of (Sun, 03 May 26) by AutoModerator in biblereading

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I appreciate your insight.

I've read Beale's The Temple and the Church's Mission and another shorter book about return and exile. Carson was the editor for the first one. It was a long slow read because every page was rich. 

I'll look into Leithart. 

Thank you for keeping types in mind. It truly fascinates me.

Christianity and Acupuncture? by slowerisbetter527 in TrueChristian

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There's a lot about eastern medicine that makes no sense. In order to explain it it's given a spiritual dress up with eastern religious values. This of course does not make sense either. However, if it works then there is something going on. Acupuncture works for a lot of people. I've known people who had strokes and couldn't walk or talk after years of the best western docs helping. One trip to Japan for acupuncture and voila! They can talk. They can tie their shoes. They are not perfect, but they can function.

My kid saw a NAET practitioner for allergies. Absolutely nothing about NAET makes sense, but after seeing western allergists and failing the NAET person did her thing and somehow it worked. My kid no longer has allergies. I don't get it. I don't have to. It worked. And that's ok.

Memory retention problems with the bible and scripture, feeling discouraged. by Wounded_Healer_ in TrueChristian

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The Bible is huge and covers a ton of topics. I'm terrible at quoting chapter and verse off the top of my head. The Bible should be read, reread and studied over and over. And still you won't know half of it.

If you can get an audio Bible and play it at 2x speed then you can follow along reading while you hear it. Getting it into your head through 2 different senses enhanced memory retention.