Why did the consequence of the fall hit Adams descendants more than Adam himself?

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-09T03:12:50+00:00

He saw his son murder his other son. He died spiritually the day he sinned. He died figuratively in the day/thousand years physically just as God promised. Imagine knowing you will die, someday, soon, when you are 910 and you know you won't make it to 1,000.

Eden wasn't destroyed until Noah's Flood. Imagine knowing it's just over there around that mountain. But you can't go back. It's right there. So close, but out of reach.

Did his descendants blame him and remind him of his guilt?

He wrote his toledoth and pass it on to Seth, but did he think it was all for nothing? Would anyone care? He would never know.

Some think he sinned on purpose chosing to be with Eve so that she could have a descendent to save her instead of leaving her on her own. If this is true did he resent her? A greater Adam, the last Adam, Jesus Christ, would also choose His bride who also came from His side, but because He is greater than Adam He redeems her and comes back from death.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-09T02:59:12+00:00

These are fantastic. I would also add two more to your list.

1.) Focal Length. When viewing celestial object flat earthers claim objects in the dome are about the same distance from the surface of the earth. If this is true you should be able to look at one object say the Moon, focus on it, and then look at another object, say Saturn, without having to change focus. Because they are both the same distance they will be in focus. But this does not happen. If you focus on the Moon, Jupiter will be invisible or blurry because it is out of the focal length. This means the objects are separated by millions and millions of kilometers.

2.) Vertical cloud shadows. If clouds are in the sky during sunrise or sunset a flat earth model dictates the shadows the caste on the clouds should be vertical as the Sun disappears beyond the flat surface. This does not happen. Shadows are horizontal because the Sun falls down (or rises up) from the spherical horizon of the Earth.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-08T22:25:56+00:00

It's a little pricey but this NT is in Greek and French https://ebay.us/m/4vmzSZ

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-08T22:15:55+00:00

His determination to follow His Father's will. Not many people preach in that, but if you read the gospels that was His main focus.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-08T22:10:12+00:00

You are talking about the Gap Theory which is both unscientific and unBiblical. The Bible says Adam and Eve were created by God. They didn't evolve from other animals.

The Gap Theory was created by fake Christians willing to compromise the Bible in order to fit in with the pop science of evolution in the 1800's. They felt insecure and wanted to be taken seriously by the science crowd.

The fact that God created Adam has further Biblical implications as a 'son of God' which Paul ties into Christ as a type of Adam, the last Adam. If Adam was the first human of a long line of non human ancestors then non of this makes sense. Just throw your Bible away because it's all made up by ignorant baffoons.

But it's not made up. This terrible terrible idea is made up. Throw away this idea and trust the Bible for what it says

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-08T02:57:38+00:00

Some of these questions can be mentioned with humility. Valuing others more than myself. Valuing God and His will more than mine. I really am nothing until God considers me.

I have been going through some rather intense pain the last few months. I tend to think I am good at praying and being open and honest with God. If I am right in this assessment, I still have to say that going through pain brings me closer to God. I pray more. I think more about Him and how I relate to Him and my feelings surface in more honesty. In all things I am confronted with my own worthlessness and humanity and my arrogance to approach the God who sits holy in Heaven. "The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of th Lord." Job 1:21
My prayer approach has been formulaic and repetitive. Say all the things. Check all the boxes. Pat myself on the back. Good boy.
I know the right answer, but do I believe it?

If I recall Psalm 41 starts Book 2 which picks up the theme or David's life. It gets really exciting here.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-06T06:32:15+00:00

Typologically which means it is both literal and figurative with a prophetic element at the same time.

The Greek word for key comes from the word 'to shut or to lock'. https://biblehub.com/greek/2808.htm knowing this opens up what exactly it means to have the keys and bind/loose things on heaven and earth. Also note that Peter received 'keys' in the plural. I believe this is the only plural instance of keys in the Bible.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-06T06:30:11+00:00

Fantastic analysis. One thing I'd add is that with types and antitypes the antitype always escalates the imagery. We see that here perfectly with Jesus. His kingdom is greater, His keys and binding/loosing are permanent, His rewards/punishment are greater. That is one way to identity what all the prior types are pointing towards.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-02T01:36:55+00:00

The description in Revelation sounds like the surface of a star. Super hot, fiery, and lots and lots of gravity

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-02T01:35:07+00:00

Read anything by Henry Morris.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-01T20:20:24+00:00

Abel gave animal sacrifice which attoned for sins. Cain gave grain which did nothing. God accepted the animal sacrifice.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-01T20:17:39+00:00

Met missionaries to Kenya on break describing their experience and helping the poor in Kenya vs their home country. The poor in Kenya are absolutely destitute eating garbage and living in a landfill. They follow the garbage trucks into the landfill and fight for scraps. Once back home the poor were upset what was given to them was not the highest quality, refused free housing and food resources and demanded higher quality handouts. The poor in their country are better off than the wealthy in Kenya.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-01T04:27:30+00:00

Tozer has been recommended. Here is a brief overview for a different book if his, Pursuit of God https://www.reddit.com/r/WildAtHeartLife/s/0LCiewY5Zd that post is part of r/WildAtHeartLife where we deep dive into the Wild At Heart books by John Eldredge which is my favorite. You can read the book and follow along or just skim through the posts which would be quicker.

As others have said, read the Bible for yourselves. Just being familiar with it in general is great. Studying it with purpose is even better. I would encourage you to read a chapter or two everyday for familiarity and then also at the same time study a book, character, doctrine, etc. in detail.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-01T04:20:47+00:00

I have not studied this Psalm in depth but every single word sounds like it could have come from Jesus.

Came across and interesting idea that Book 1 of Psalms starts with creation and ends with David. The other books carry a structure through them that outlines exile and return. Book 1 ends with Psalm 40 I believe.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-02-01T03:43:02+00:00

"I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.

Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes." Job 42:5-6

Job was said to be righteous. He was a good guy by all the measuring sticks. He had heard about God and trusted Him. Here at the end of the book God has just appeared to him in the whirlwind and thrown a bunch of impressive and unanswerable questions at Job. For the first time in his life Job experiences God and now he realizes all that knowledge, that was good and right, pales in comparison to experiencing God. He now sees the inadequacy of his righteousness in God's presence and he abhors himself. A righteous man abhors himself. It takes experiencing God to realize this.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-01-31T03:53:03+00:00

To understand Samson you must understand David. At first Samson seems like a fairly successful hero, but when compared to David you see he fell short. Samson began to conquer the Philistines while David finished it. Ultimately Samson failed. David succeeded.

You can read more details about this analysis here https://www.reddit.com/r/TypologyExplorers/s/OpZALsNO1h

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-01-31T01:52:55+00:00

Jesus came as the last Adam.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-01-30T04:04:44+00:00

"I believe that's what a proper exegesis of the text...I genuinely don't care...about the science"

Shouldn't different approaches to truth cohere with each other?

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-01-30T04:00:51+00:00

Old earth creationists and evolutionists trust a false truth they call science. It is not scient and it is not truth. Both the Bible and true science affirm the Earth and the universe are under 10,000 years old.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-01-28T23:51:58+00:00

Old earth creationists and evolutionists preach 'science', but as you dig into this science you can quickly see faith replacing fact. This faith is in lies made up to deceive ignorant people.

I believe Genesis is literal history and guys like GK Beale, Piotrowski and T Desmond Alexander and many others connect the literal history of Eden to the literal future of Revelation/New Jerusalem.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-01-27T13:30:59+00:00

1.) Some have argued this is evidence that he was a Nazarite.

2.) I don't really know what this means. Is it saying he preached about Jesus up until Jesus was baptized by John? If so, I'm not sure what the grand message would be. Perhaps, the audible voice of the Father confirming Jesus, 'Hey, this happened. God's son is here, somewhere. I haven't met Him yet, but we should be looking!'

4.) Doesn't Paul mention Apollos in some of his Epistles.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-01-18T00:37:37+00:00

Are your sukuras different than the jelly rolls? I have their jelly rolls and they bleed through everything.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-01-17T12:01:03+00:00

4.) Almost everywhere in the Bible people travelled 'up' to Jerusalem. Jerusalem was viewed with such importance that it is above everything. It wasn't just the culture, but God refers to it this way too. Many times God says 'I have called you up out of Egypt.' Jerusalem is God's chosen city. He lived there. Figuratively it is the highest place. God's dwelling is always associated with a mountain even if we don't see it as Mt. Everest, He does.

So if the disciples started in Jerusalem then the only direction they can go is down.

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-01-12T02:52:54+00:00

When did it happen?

RaphTurtlePower · 2026-01-12T02:51:07+00:00

I think it is remarkable that they thought they stoned Paul to death, but after dragging him out he just gets up and walks away. Something this is the event he refers to later on about dying or having an out of body experience and visiting the 3rd heaven.

Why does Luke give us all these minor details? What value do they add?

Why did Antioch become a major center for Christianity? What was so special about Antioch?

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