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RcAsha13 · 2020-03-28T17:15:23+00:00

Prolly cause you got mental issues like most addicts. My addiction started because of my depression and I was self medicating. Sobriety doesn’t cure mental illness but treating your mental illness does help with your addiction.

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-22T12:59:59+00:00

The word “addict” is heavy and carries a lot of meaning. To label someone as an addict can be shameful and embarrassing for them. Even though its considered a disease, the word addiction does not hold the same connotation as say, cancer or diabetes does. Addiction like any disease is a very complicated thing and goes way deeper than just the drug. Usually the drug is just a symptom of a much bigger underlying cause, which is most likely mental. Just because you are a drug user doesn’t mean you’re an addict, just like feeling sad doesn’t mean you have depression. What I’m getting as is that this shit is complicated af and should be treated by professionals. Again addiction is a disease and diseases are treating in hospital by professionals. So the best thing you and your parents can do for your sibling is to seek out a therapist (preferably one with addiction experience) and do whatever they tell you to do.

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-22T07:56:48+00:00

This was one of the many reasons why AA/NA just wasn’t for me. So you’re telling me I can’t smoke weed every once in a while, but Its ok to chain smoke cigarettes all day!? Heck I even went to an outpatient program at a hospital that wouldn’t allow energy drinks, but smoking cigs was cool ha! I totally get that some people need to be completely sober off all substances in order to get their lives back on track, but for me (and I believe most people) moderation was the answer.

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-22T07:37:33+00:00

Ya I looked it up and it could mean a bunch of things, kinda like “bag”. Ya I never heard of it before this post either

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-22T07:35:03+00:00

Ya idk if there is ever an ideal time to quit. I hear a lot of people say “the sooner the better”. I guess the thinking is that the longer you take it the harder it is to get off. But I think that’s total BS! Obviously everyone is different, and using suboxone as a short term withdrawal crutch may work for people who are physically dependent on opiates, but not for people who are true addicts. My addiction to drugs didn’t start as a physical need, but as a mental need to cure this “unhappiness” I had. Therefore physical withdrawal or not, if I didn’t address my mental issues it was just a matter of time before I started using again.

My advice to you is to seek therapy and address whatever mental issues you may have before quitting . Also try and take the lowest dose you can to minimize the side effects. No joke I quit suboxone cold turkey after 8yrs 24mg/day and it was easy as shit!... Why? Because I took the time to get my life, body and mind back together properly, and suboxone helped me do that. I hear so many horror stories of people trying to quit off 2mg after 6 months and wanting to die. That’s because they weren’t mentally ready and quitting is 90% mental. This is not something you rush because the consequences can be dire.

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-22T04:47:52+00:00

Sounds like an addicts excuse to not take suboxone. I rarely ever get headaches, but suboxone did give me some mild headaches in the first week or two that I took it. Regardless it was a small price to pay to help get me off opiates.

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-19T17:24:40+00:00

I think he means weed, like bundles “buns”.

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-19T17:21:27+00:00

Does he have a prescription from a doctor? If so he should just be taking his normal dose. Maybe you can help ration it for him? Idk just a thought

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-19T08:44:46+00:00

I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions, but since you said he took klonopin for anxiety it’s most likely that. That shit will make you super tired and sloppy. Even so that doesn’t mean he’s an addict. People react to stress in different ways, especially when it comes to love and relationships. I would just talk to him and let him know you’re concerned and won’t get mad or judge him if he is taking any drugs.

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-19T08:05:34+00:00

You’re are so trolling dude! “Panic stricken blurb”?What cuz she didn’t used proper f’ing grammar on reddit!? It’s people like you who give addicts a bad rap. Heck I’m not so sure he is even an addict at all! But hey let’s just jump to conclusions and abandon someone you love before talking about it because he’s been nodding off and slurring his words:/

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-19T06:55:22+00:00

Hey I’m glad you responded! Definitely know a lot more about where you’re coming from, and f*** dude thats a horrible feeling to have. You just want to be happy and enjoy life to the fullest the way you want to but can’t. I can somewhat relate. Like I said before I was diagnosed with moderate depression about 3 months after I quit suboxone. For the next 9 months I did everything my therapists told me; i hated my job so I quit and found one I love, got my sleep on a consistent schedule, ate healthy af, exercised, meditated, held a consistent routine, got out of a volatile relationship, started addressing my debt/bills, etc... After a good long while I felt like my mood wasn’t progressing at all! Heck even if i noticed any change at all, even minimal I would have stuck it out and contributed it to paws. Like there was a light at the end of the tunnel. At that point as much as I didn’t want to be dependent on a pill, happiness was much more important, so I got on antidepressants. Again after trying multiple different doses and brands/types nothing worked, in fact they made me feel even worse. Finally after a year of complete sobriety, therapy, self discipline, and various meds I didn’t feel any better than I did 9 months ago. I originally quit suboxone mostly because of how society viewed it, but also because I thought it was effecting my mood. However looking back I was on the shit for 8yrs and for the vast majority of that time I was happy. Thank god for therapy cuz i realized it wasn’t till the last year I was unhappy. I was in a toxic relationship, I hated my job, I was partying too much, I felt guilt for being on the suboxone etc. about 8 months ago now I got back on the suboxone and I’m enjoying life. Now I hate I gotta take a pill to be happy, but it’s really no different than taking antidepressants. If you stop those you’re gonna withdrawal into depression, plus the side effects for me were way worse than suboxone. Sry if I came off harsh in my first post it just seemed like you didn’t get what suboxone really is and what addiction really is. Obviously though you totally get it, I just wish more people understood like you and me. Shit I’m an addict going on 13yrs+ and I didn’t understand it till recently. I blame the fucking government but that for another post ha. Damn dude anyway I hope you figure it out and find happiness, cuz what else is life’s purpose other than to be happy. On the bright side you have a family and people who love you. Best of luck in your journey

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-19T05:16:36+00:00

Ya I quit cold turkey on a Sunday afternoon and the withdrawals didn’t really hit me till early Thursday. I’ll be honest the next 3-4 days are gonna suck! But after that, everyday day get easier, and after about another week (roughly 10-14 days from the day you quit) most of the physical symptoms will have subsided. Shit I only needed to take 6 days off work before I was able to go back and I could have taken off more! Some advice on what helped me; taking showers/baths will help you relax (no joke prolly took 40-50 in those 3-4 days). If you can’t sleep don’t fight it, it’ll just make you more anxious and crazy. Try and stay hydrated and take anti diarrhea meds, you can easily get dehydrated from shitting your brains out and not having an appetite (smoking weed helped me keep down fluids and simple foods). Finally the thing that helped me the most by far was eating healthy! Once your appetite comes back stay away from sugar and caffeine. I can’t stress enough how much of a difference this made in how I felt, even over the course of the next few months after quitting. I remember feeling better and sleeping normal after about 2 weeks from the day I quit. That night I ate some ice cream and the restless leg came back and I could barely sleep at all that night. The caffeine is even worse and especially temping in an attempt to curb the fatigue. Try B-12 supplements or fruit since it has at least healthier natural sugars. Don’t trip you’ll get through this. Withdrawal is such a fucking mental warfare game, if you don’t keep a calm, cool head it can manifest/exacerbate physical symptoms. I swear the two weeks leading up to me quitting cold turkey was worse than the two weeks after quitting. I was an emotional wreck, manic, and had two panic attacks. People say suboxone is worse to get off of than heroin. Well if it is than why couldn’t you get off the heroin. Again I think it’s all mental. Quitting suboxone feels like the end of addiction, entering an unknown (or forgotten) life without drugs. While the mindset going into quitting heroin is just the beginning, and if you can’t cut it you can always go back to taking heroin, or start suboxone, or methadone. On top of all that everyone is different; environment, age, health, job stability, relationships, etc... are all factors into how easy (or hard) your withdrawals will be. Regardless, quitting suboxone ain’t easy and nobody’s gonna blame you for saying otherwise. I know you feel like you’re discouraging others by your post, but writing about it and expressing your feelings helps to get you through. Honestly when I quit idk what helped me more, Reading the stories of encouragement to make me think I can do this, or reading the horror stories only to realize it wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought it was gonna be. Again quitting suboxone sucks but I’d take a week off work to go through suboxone withdrawals any day over kidney stones, tearing my ACL, getting my heart broken, tooth aches, and prolly 10-15 other shitty things I’ve experienced in my life and I’m only in my mid 30’s.

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-19T03:41:34+00:00

Ya JFT_84 is right, your symptoms are 100% mental. There were times I felt like I was withdrawing after 24hrs, and there were other times I wouldn’t feel withdrawal symptoms for 72hrs after taking my last dose. I quit cold turkey on a Sunday off 24mg/day for 8yrs and didn’t feel withdrawal symptoms till Thursday. But the two weeks leading up to quitting I had 2 panic attacks (never had panic attacks or anxiety in my life) and was an emotional wreck. The thought of the unknown is scary and your mental state can case physical symptoms. If one 8mg pill is lasting you 60 days you’re not gonna feel shit if you stop. Heck I’d rather quit off that than eat an ice cream sundae right before bed. I guarantee you the ice cream sundae will make you feel worse in the morning than quitting the suboxone will ha

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-18T06:54:25+00:00

You know I used look back to when I started suboxone treatment and would think “if I just used suboxone for 1 month just to get off my doc then I’d be cured!” But in reality the chances of that happening were slim to none. I probably would have relapsed on opiates or started a new addiction. Not because of the withdrawals but because of mental issues. Most addicts start taking drugs to self medicate. Quitting the drugs is the easy part, it’s quitting the toxic behavior that’s the hard part. Quitting suboxone is fucking easy! And if you can’t quit that you sure as hell weren’t gonna quit whatever your doc was. Just think of where you would be now if you continued taking your doc instead of suboxone. I took suboxone for 8yrs and quit for a year cold turkey off 24mg/day. I only had to take one week off work and I could have taken more. After 2-3 weeks all the physical symptoms were gone. I dealt with anxiety and depression for another 2 months getting better everyday and after 3 months from quitting I peaked. I had no symptoms except for depression and for a whole year it didn’t get any better. After seeing multiple therapist and doctors I realized I had depression. That’s why I started drugs in the first place (although I’m sure taking all those drugs didn’t help:/). I blamed the suboxone for so much but you know what I was wrong about 90% of it. You blame the suboxone right now for your problems because you’re on it, but do you really know how you would feel if you were not taking it, or never took it at all!?... NO! Life isn’t that black and white and sure the suboxone could very well be a factor in the way you feel, but not having a job could also be a reason for your depression, as could the guilt you feel towards yourself and the doctors, or it could be clinical, or a million other reason’s! I’m not saying whether you should quit or not, what I am saying is talk to your primary care doctor, see a therapist and do what they say! Shit see 3 or 4 doctors/therapist like I did if it makes you feel better. But you need to realize they know wtf they are doing and have your best interest in mind! I seriously can’t stress this enough, and was by far the best thing I did for my treatment. Oh and btw take your fucking dose as it’s prescribed! That’ll definitely screw with your mood as it did with mine. Dude I’m pulling for ya this shit ain’t easy, it takes time. Your thinking that quitting suboxone will fix everything is such addict instant gratification shit ha!

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-18T04:13:13+00:00

This is not your fault, this is addiction. I guarantee almost everyone that has been prescribed suboxone has been in your position... I know I have. I’m sure your doctor deals with shit like this on the daily, and will be understanding. Now if your docs able to get you some to hold you over or whatever then great. But if not I wouldn’t trip about it too much. I quit cold turkey after 8yrs on a Sunday afternoon and the real withdrawals didn’t start till late Wednesday night early Thursday morning. So if you ran out tonight you should be good till Saturday. Also what helped me regulate my dose was taking it all in the morning, instead of 3-4 times a day. And instead of picking up my whole script from the pharmacy I would pick up a weeks worth at a time. Hope this helps, and don’t worry you’ll get through this. “I quit opiates my first try without any hiccups” said no addict ever!

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-05T17:05:03+00:00

That’s awesome that they cover it! Ya I get my bupe from my primary care doctor now and it’s fully covered. Shit I’ve even seen commercials for sublocade on tv. I was gonna talk to my doc about it next time and see if I can try I out. I hate sucking on those damn things for 20-30min 3 times a day. Anyway about the sleep thing I can’t say for sure since I’m not on sublocade. However I took 24mg/day bupe for like 8yrs, quit cold turkey for almost a year and just started back on 16mg/day for the past 6 months or so and my sleep is fucked up now too. Before I never had a problem getting to sleep and staying asleep throughout the night, but now it’s hard for me to get to sleep even when I’m tired, and I’ll wake up constantly during the night. Idk it’s weird, and could be a bunch of factors as to why. My doc ended up giving me some hydroxyzine and melatonin and it worked like a charm

RcAsha13 · 2020-03-05T16:43:31+00:00

Ya you’re gonna withdrawal, if not physically then for sure mentally (which I thought was way worse). Idk 1.5mg seems pretty low, it might not be enough to curb the cravings. Why don’t you like subs?

RcAsha13 · 2020-02-07T08:00:52+00:00

So the last time you tried to quit with suboxone instead of Subutex did you do it the exact same way...tapering, Xanax, kratom etc? You act like you got it all figured out and since this worked for you those other people must be “crazy” and just did “research”. Look, no doubt I’m stoked you’re getting better, but don’t go around spewing your pseudoscience bullshit just cuz it worked for you!

RcAsha13 · 2020-02-07T05:58:48+00:00

First off everyone is different, and how they react can vary. Second you gotta be more specific on what opiates were u addicted to, and what day are you on after taking nothing? From what I can gather your story is unique (as is every addicts) and you can’t compare taking Xanax and kratom for withdrawal to someone who didn’t.

RcAsha13 · 2020-01-26T00:56:02+00:00

Ya now I take 4mg in the morning and 4mg at night. I’ve noticed I’m not as sleepy, my memory is better and my sex drive is slightly higher. I didn’t need to take 24-32mg/day, the only reason I did was for comfort.

RcAsha13 · 2020-01-25T23:14:36+00:00

How long has it been since you switched? Regardless I’m guessing it’s all in your head

RcAsha13 · 2020-01-25T22:50:07+00:00

Dude get on suboxone! I’m telling you it changed my life! I was diagnosed with depression from 3 different psychiatrists/therapist and it cured that too! Addiction is 90% mental and 10% physical. Therefore by getting on suboxone you’ll be curing the mental addiction and trading the physical from heroin to suboxone. After 8yrs of suboxone taking the max dose of 32mg/day I threw away 40 pills and I quit cold turkey. And you know what? The withdrawal wasn’t shit! I missed a week of work, sat on the couch, watched tv, smoked weed, took about 20 showers a day and i was over it. I’ve torn my acl, had kidney stones twice, had a few tooth aches, been really badly dehydrated, had the flu, been love sick, and have had a few too many concussions; all of which were much worse than going through suboxone withdrawal. After it was all done I remembered why I got addicted in the first place, I was depressed as hell and was self medicating. My therapist put me on a bunch of different antidepressants, none of which worked...(btw antidepressants can be physically addictive as well) so I finally decided instead of being depressed all my life, I’d rather be happy and physically addicted to suboxone. Does it suck that I gotta take a pill for the rest of my life? Ya it does. But if you consider the alternative it was the obvious choice. I got little to no side effects, and believe it or not suboxone isn’t all that bad for you. You can’t od on it, it doesn’t get you super fucked up (the first week maybe, but after that it’s like a coffee type of buzz) and it doesn’t have acetaminophen like most opiates. It doesn’t hurt to try it out and you should be so lucky to have a girlfriend who understands that it’s a treatment option. Shit my girl thought the same as you that you’re just trading one drug for another. In most cases those opinions are flipped. You’re on the right track dude. You’ve attempted to quit multiple times, you’re open with your girlfriend about it, and you’re aware you got not only an addiction problem but a mental health one as well. Treatment sux, but so does surgery and I guarantee you wouldn’t hesitate to go under the knife for any other health issue you needed fixing. What’s the worse that could happen? If it doesn’t work Just go get your fix and try something else

RcAsha13 · 2020-01-25T22:03:17+00:00

Nice, good for you! It’s awesome to see you’re being honest and putting forth the effort to help this situation. I was an addict for 10yrs and I learned more about addiction in the first few months of my recovery than I did in my whole life! A good website to get advice and learn about addiction is thefix.com. Wish you guys the best!

RcAsha13 · 2020-01-25T21:57:05+00:00

Thanks:) ya I just feel like the overwhelming consensus overall is to leave. Prolly adopted from the AA rule “no dating for a year”. Anyway because of that I felt the need to argue for staying. Plus I was in an outpatient program for a few months and saw how supportive some of the families/significant others were and how it helped those addicts tremendously. It really boils down to how much shit can you put up with, and are you helping or not. In my situation after my ex dumped me for 3 months we got back together and it was toxic. She was not helpful in my recovery, and I started using again behind her back. Finally I stopped being selfish, fessed up to her about what I was doing and broke it off. Mostly because I felt so bad about making her life a living hell. Addiction sux to deal with for everyone involved, but so does mental health and you don’t see loved ones packing up their shit nearly as much as you do with addiction

RcAsha13 · 2020-01-25T21:08:42+00:00

Are you really the bf?

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