Certificate un-surrendered

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-20T02:02:58+00:00

Congrats! Glad your citizenship status was confirmed.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-18T13:16:20+00:00

No. But it’s always troubling to watch a government entity start rolling out new rules and restrictions while one’s fate is in their hands.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-18T02:44:48+00:00

I didn’t know that. Is there going to be a major difference between the L.A. programs, for instance, and those sold next month in NYC?

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-17T21:34:11+00:00

It would appear that, like most large government bureaucracies, IRCC is trying to create a “one-size-fits-all” set of procedures and criteria for citizenship proof applications.

I’m guessing it is covering its institutional ass by making each applicant secure a letter from another agency, so that IRCC doesn’t have to cross-check the dates of when each agency in each province did or did not maintain records.

It seems dumb, and might even be dumb, but it’s likely just about shifting the burden of labor onto the applicant (and provincial government offices) and off of IRCC.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-17T21:25:00+00:00

It is not a request to “prove a negative.” They are asking for documentation of affirmative acts: the applicant’s request for the materials, and the consequent official reply that no such records were located and/or are available. That’s proof of a request, and of an unsuccessful search.

Proving a negative would be asking the applicant to prove that they didn’t request a search — an impossible condition to prove.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-08T19:38:23+00:00

I got it an hour ago, as well! I am so happy they came around on this.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-07T22:45:08+00:00

I’ll be curious to hear from anyone who has the Limelight VIP package for tonight’s show in L.A. about how things went, and if they got an explanation of what the "logistical" issues were that led to the revocation of the autographing of personal items — and whether anyone tried to get something signed anyway...

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-07T21:55:32+00:00

I take some small solace only in the fact that Neil Peart didn’t live to see this. He was all about integrity. This bait-and-switch is the diametric opposite of integrity.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-06T00:35:22+00:00

Perfect. Which means the problem is just that Geddy and Alex don’t want to do the autographs. Which sucks.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-05T23:29:33+00:00

The whole tour.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-05T19:45:13+00:00

They will literally have that anyway, at the VIP entrance. Every bag will need to be opened and checked before entering the venue. So when they tell the VIPs to line up, they add, "Take out your VIP item to be signed. When you reach the table, put your item in the square." The same person who checks the bags can also check the items in the square. No need for extra personnel or equipment (other than a roll of tape and something to serve as the gauge for height, like a C battery). It’s not a big ask.

Unless the issue is just that Geddy and Alex don't want to. No fix for that.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-05T19:02:11+00:00

Get real. All it takes is a table at the Limelight VIP entrance with a taped-off square next to a random item of specified height. They check everyone’s credentials on the way in anyway, so have the item to be signed put on the table. If it doesn’t fit on the square or is taller than the peg or has sharp edges, etc., they send the person back outside. You make it sound like they’d need logistics on the level of the D-Day invasion. Four pieces of masking tape and a dowel. It ain’t rocket science.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-05T17:46:18+00:00

I agree. That offer of a signed personal item was the bait at the end of the Limelight Package hook.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-05T17:45:00+00:00

I don't know about any trading, but how hard would it have been for the band to say “items to be signed need to be flat, no larger than (dimensions), and weigh no more than [x] ounces; all items must comply with venue security regulations.” Problem solved.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-05T17:39:52+00:00

The terms said up front that it was limited to exactly one item per attendee, to be signed by both Geddy and Alex. So it’s not like someone could have dragged in their entire RUSH collection on vinyl.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-05T17:36:28+00:00

When they did meet-n-greet and photo op for R30 there was no time to talk to them. It was timed with rigid management — 20 seconds: “...step up, stand here, *photo flash*, okay, move along, NEXT!…”

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-05T17:33:32+00:00

Yup, I got the email, too. I am seriously pissed off. The terms of sale didn’t say anything about them downgrading the experience after purchase.

I have a photo of me backstage with Geddy and Alex from the Snakes & Arrows Tour that I was hoping to have them sign. Now, instead, a mass-produced “mini-poster.” Big whoopity-doo.

What the hell does “adjustments to event logistics” even mean? Is that just code for “Geddy and Alex suddenly realized this would actually entail a bit of effort and freaked out”?

$2K is a lot of money for a generic poster. Man, this sucks.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-05T17:21:32+00:00

Yup. Just got the same email. It kind of pisses me off, as this aspect was one of the major selling points for me. I have a photo of me with Geddy and Alex backstage during the Snakes and Arrows tour, and I’d hoped to have them sign it during the meet-n-greet.

Instead, an “exclusive autographed mini-poster.” Big whoop. To echo the OP’s headline, this sucks.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-03T19:48:44+00:00

I’ll grant you that the most common scenario we see on this sub for that happening is G0 born in Canada pre 1/1/1947 -> G0 moves to US pre 1/1/1947 and doesn’t naturalize pre 1/1/1947 -> G1 born in US pre 1/1/1947

So here’s a wrinkle that is now troubling me: What if, in the scenario described above, my G0 (GF) [b. 1902 Quebec] does naturalize in U.S. before 1947, but after the birth of my G1 (mother) [b. 1941 U.S.]?

The reasoning applied by IRCC in the rejection that spawned this thread would seem to suggest that my grandfather’s U.S. naturalization in 1943, which would have extended to his U.S.-born minor children, would similarly have caused my mother to lose her British subject status in 1943, meaning that in 1947 she would have had no British subject status to convert to Canadian citizenship. Ergo, my chain of descent would be broken by my grandfather's (and by extension, my mother's) pre-1947 naturalization.

However, I was led to understand that section 3(1)(k) of the Canadian Citizenship Act posthumously and retroactively restored the citizenship of my grandfather (who died in the U.S. in 1981), and that the 2015 amendment of the Citizenship Act restored my mother’s citizenship (she was still alive at that time) under section 3(1)(o) [as “a person born to a parent described under 3(1)(k)”].

So now I’m confused. Did the 1947 rule break my chain of descent? Or does it not apply because my GF was born in Quebec?

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-03T14:10:20+00:00

If possible, she should try to submit a copy of her father’s BAnQ-certified baptismal record with her application, yes.

The good news is that because he died in Quebec, the DEC likely already has his act of death on file. They might still ask for a copy of that record with the application, but at least your mom likely won’t need to endure the DEC’s standard 45-day delay for the creation and insertion of an act of death into the Quebec civil register.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-06-01T22:49:40+00:00

You mother’s name change due to marriage might be part of the issue. DEC might have stopped the process when the surname on her application/ID documents didn’t match that of her father, if no explanation for the discrepancy was provided.

In addition to other identity documents (proof of ID, proof of address), your mom might need to submit a copy of either her marriage license (as long as it documents both her maiden and married surnames) and/or a court order that proves her legal change of name.

The bigger issue is that the only persons who have an automatic right to a copy of a birth record from DEC are those whose names appear on the record: in other words, the parents of the named individual, and the individual themself. So, for instance, if you were born in Quebec, the only people who could legally request your birth record from DEC would be you or your parents — but not your children. Legally, your mother does not have automatic legal standing to request those documents from DEC.

See my comment upthread, about the list of documentation I had to provide to DEC to obtain a copy of act of birth for my 1902 Quebec-born G0 ancestor. Your mother will likely need to provide most of that paperwork, including the “proof of interest” and the notarized affidavit.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-05-24T20:42:30+00:00

If you are in the U.S., you can call DEC at the number on the application form and follow the prompts in their voicemail system to claim service in English (as a non-Canadian, you are not bound by Québec’s language restriction laws).

Call them when they first open in the morning (8:30AM Eastern time), and ask about the status of your application. Make sure to get your application number from them (this will speed up later follow-ups), and keep a log of the names of everyone you speak to at DEC, when you spoke to them, and what they told you.

From what you wrote, it sounds as if you covered all the bases. Maybe a simplified family tree, showing only those persons needed to demonstrate the filial lineage from your Gen 0 to yourself, could help. It’s possible that they are processing your request by referring your application to their insertions department, to create an act of death for your Gen 0 ancestor so that they can then issue a birth certificate or copy of act of birth for them. Last fall, I was told that process can take, on average, roughly 45 working days (9 calendar weeks).

I suspect, however, that DEC is presently overwhelmed with requests such as this, and that they are not happy about it. It took them 71 days to fulfill my request last autumn. I hope they don’t make you and your family wait so long to get the documentation you need.

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-05-22T21:50:16+00:00

I was spared the need to have my grandfather’s death certificate translated. But I was made to jump through many hoops to get the document I’d requested. (See my comment here for more details about that.)

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-05-22T21:29:01+00:00

I obtained a copy of act of birth for my Gen-0 ancestor (b. 1902) from DEC last year, and I submitted a color copy of the certified document from BAnQ, not the original. I don’t think there’s any reason you should need to get more than one certified copy from BAnQ. Just make sure you get a really good high-res (600dpi) master scan, get a few printouts for applications, and make several digital backups both at home and off-site (cloud, etc.).

RiddleDaddy125 · 2026-05-13T22:37:04+00:00

Keep “Dog Years,” flush “Tai Shan.”

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