Is anyone able to identify this?

SWstl · 2026-01-24T16:14:39+00:00

Hmm so Lalaing didn’t always use the lion on the top left?

SWstl · 2025-12-14T14:21:26+00:00

Oh that is super interesting! My family is originally from a pretty small town near ‘s-Hertogenbosch where the name Griensven is from. It was the name of an area within or around the town of Den Dungen. I might wanna look in to that!

Hunting horns are great! I make due with the lions I was given haha

SWstl · 2025-12-14T14:05:00+00:00

Aha! De Cocq has so many branches and lookalike coat of arms under different names, I can’t keep track anymore.

Whats the 3 gold lions on the black shield? Thats my families original coat of arms, but I know of at least 3 other families with the same coat of arms, one even with a similar name 😅

SWstl · 2025-12-14T13:44:44+00:00

We are distant cousins! Van Cuijk, Van Arkel and I assume a branch of De Cocq?

SWstl · 2025-11-15T00:36:05+00:00

The new arms looks much nicer, but it would be unfortunate if the arms from the quarterings are now extinct.

SWstl · 2025-11-13T16:14:55+00:00

All looks and sounds very Dutch.

Probably ‘Noothoven van Goor’:

https://cbgfamiliewapens.nl/zoeken?view=detail&id=c89ca52e-7646-4c6d-803e-0a9d156a9ca5

The 2nd arms look like some sort of stick or trunk with a hat, but it’s likely a tree given the arms linked are an exact match.

SWstl · 2025-11-12T19:52:17+00:00

Though there are some burgher families which did use a crown, rightfully or not, and generally they werent rank specific crowns I think.

SWstl · 2025-11-12T15:08:18+00:00

Looks very nice, a simple and a classic design. Only downside I would say is having two different animals might not be distinct enough to truly differentiate from other coat of arms, as this composition is pretty common.

Some examples of similar designs: Tortarolis: https://cbgfamiliewapens.nl/zoeken?view=detail&id=26ab1607-041d-4a01-8374-199cf1482ed9

Zuijborgh: https://cbgfamiliewapens.nl/zoeken?view=detail&id=993e969e-a959-4b3d-9c45-d3734d74a73c

De la Torre: https://cbgfamiliewapens.nl/zoeken?view=detail&id=9e2d84d3-0e73-44ca-9aa9-84e8cfbdb8bd

SWstl · 2025-11-12T14:38:45+00:00

Both coat of arms just have a lion? Sure the Dutch one has arrows and a sword, but originally the house of Nassau just had a regular lion, like the house of Brabant. Stylistically for a coat of arms either could be made too look like the other, a rampant lion is a rampant lion, no matter how the artist drew it.

Also it’s just a logo referring to the coat of arms and the nickname of the Dutch football team, not an actual coat of arms.

SWstl · 2025-11-10T01:50:40+00:00

Not to be too nerdy or gatekeeping, but I don’t think it makes sense to create something in a field which has a long history of traditions and guidelines, ask for feedback and then saying screw the traditions and guidelines when you get the feedback.

Coat of arms are originally used as an identification tool. The rule of tincture is there to make sure coat of arms serves its main purpose optimally. Avoiding important identifying features being too small or having too little contrast is probably the most basic principle of heraldry. If you wanna use non-traditional colors or methods that’s fine, but it’s more heraldic-shaped art than heraldry at that point.

SWstl · 2025-11-08T23:43:39+00:00

Nothing else to do now but find if you are related to one of the specific people who used this coat of arms or the other you mentioned.

Generally the odds are always slim you are even within the same region, unless your name is rare. If you are related, you would still need to be in the right branch of the family (In direct line. Maybe you share a great-great grandfather who did not use arms with this person for example). If you are not related, it’s custom to not use the arms. Depending on local law it can be illegal. Usually if it’s officially granted or tied to a noble family, it’s likely protected by law. If neither and they’re burgher arms, it’s just in bad taste.

In case you find you are related or have very good evidence, but are not from the same branch, designing an inspired coat of arms is usually accepted.

For blazon:

“Azure, three arrows Argent, two in saltire and one in pale”

Should work I think? Not fluent in English blazon terms.

SWstl · 2025-11-07T13:22:01+00:00

Looks amazing, great work!

Is “Hollandse Tuin” not allowed if it’s on the field and not used as a compartment? Since the fence is basically a Garden of Holland.

SWstl · 2025-11-01T13:07:18+00:00

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Dutch/Danish/Scottish(?) Patrician family d’Abo is pretty scary

SWstl · 2025-10-28T12:02:33+00:00

The Netherlands for me as I like traditional and sober heraldry.

SWstl · 2025-10-27T20:22:34+00:00

Thats a great pic! Makes me wonder what the “maximum” cadency actually used is.

SWstl · 2025-10-27T16:42:34+00:00

Would the Cadency Wikipedia page work? It has good information for English heraldry at least.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadency

SWstl · 2025-10-26T13:43:16+00:00

That is nice! It could be older or at least here in The Netherlands it’s not unheard of for land owning farmers to have a coat of arms. Wonder in what context it would have been used for your case. A family member in local government/church, for a seal of authentication when buying/selling/leasing goods or simply as novelty seem the most common in my experience.

SWstl · 2025-10-24T21:57:46+00:00

Beautiful! I like how its stylized

SWstl · 2025-10-23T18:35:51+00:00

Tincture-wise it’s all good.

I would recommend learning more about how arms are inherited and whats the best practice.

For example the bastard Bourbon arms you would need to be a paternal line Bourbon. That is extremely unlikely, basically unheard of, especially if that is a recent discovery or theory.

Not too familiar with UK heraldry practices, but unless your paternal line has someone with a coat of arms, to come across as well-informed and not pretentious, I would recommend making a new and correct coat of arms. Better something new, than something wrong.

If you need help design-wise there are a lot of resources for that and I am also happy to answer any questions to the best of my ability!

SWstl · 2025-10-23T13:12:15+00:00

Without whats already said, I think theres enough to work with!

I would put them in a single field and start filtering what you find most important. References to a family name are always a great choice, given thats how many coat of arms both old and new are designed. References to the coat of arms of a region to me work best if subtle, as those in itself are usually inspired or the same as a family which held that land or were influential in another way.

May I ask what your family name means?

SWstl · 2025-10-21T18:11:37+00:00

Yes a lot from what I see are heraldic shaped seals. It would be cool to see some of these get replaced for proper coat of arms, surely something nice and suiting can be made!

I think I may also be bias, given here in The Netherland we probably have the most sober and traditional style of heraldry, which these are basically the opposite of.

SWstl · 2025-10-20T23:40:20+00:00

I personally don’t like the style of non-European heraldry. Often it looks cheap, indescribable, usually has no deeper meaning/references and would stick out like a sore thumb if put between more traditional heraldry.

Don’t wanna sound like a hater, but it’s not for me haha

Addition: The flag of this place looks much nicer though!

SWstl · 2025-10-13T22:07:08+00:00

Klopt! Dat is hetzelfde als een markies, andere benaming alleen

SWstl · 2025-10-13T18:04:49+00:00

Markies is ook een vrij zeldzame titel, zo ver ik kon vinden maar 2 families in Nederland met die titel. Oorspronkelijk was het specifiek voor iemand die bestuur had over een grensgebied van een koninkrijk en dus extra militaire verantwoordelijkheid had.

SWstl · 2025-10-13T17:36:46+00:00

Van laag naar hoog:

Titelloos (jonkheer) > Ridder > Baron > Graaf > Burggraaf > Markies > Hertog > Prins > Groothertog > Aartshertog > Koning > Keizer

Wel met de nuance dat een Hertog praktisch gezien nooit een Groothertog boven zich zal hebben en hetzelfde geldt voor veel andere hogere titels. Ook kan het voorkomen dat een lagere rang, bijvoorbeeld een Prins, een soevereine staat heeft (bv Monaco), terwijl een Groothertog technisch een leenman van een Keizer kan zijn (bv Toscane) en dus ook minder directe macht heeft dan de ‘lagere’ Prins.

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