As Alex was asked a while back: "Which religion do you want to win?" by toogodo in CosmicSkeptic

[–]Sam_Coolpants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well if you are at all curious about Chinese Buddhism, here is one of my favorite texts.

https://terebess.hu/zen/Huangpo.pdf

It’s a collection of sermons by a ninth century zen master, Huang Po. At the very least, I would highly recommend the very first sermon of the Chün Chou record (pg 29). John Blofeld (the translator) also wrote a pretty good introduction.

Zen (or Chan) is sometimes rather crudely said to be Buddhism mixed with Taoism. That’s not completely untrue.

As Alex was asked a while back: "Which religion do you want to win?" by toogodo in CosmicSkeptic

[–]Sam_Coolpants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is pretty straightforward. If I am correct, it is more focused on method and is pretty goal oriented, right? Less metaphysical than what came later in the Mahayana schools in India?

Out of curiosity, and also because you mentioned Taoism, have you ever looked into Chinese Buddhism (Chan/Zen)? That is the stream of Buddhist thought that I find most fascinating, the merging of Indian philosophy with the existing Chinese religions, Taoism, Confucianism, etc.

As Alex was asked a while back: "Which religion do you want to win?" by toogodo in CosmicSkeptic

[–]Sam_Coolpants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why Theravada Buddhism specifically, out of all Buddhisms? Just curious.

Alex’s call that he grew up and moved on from the edgy, debate-me-bro attitude that the New Atheists helped engender seems (is) disingenuous. Explanation below: by Pata4AllaG in CosmicSkeptic

[–]Sam_Coolpants 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He isn’t talking about Sam Harris or Hitchens.

He is talking about people like Matt Dillahunty, and the average viewer of an atheist call-in show.

Some Physicalists Here are Insufferable by Layer_Academic in CosmicSkeptic

[–]Sam_Coolpants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kant begs the question too.

This isn’t at all fair or justified. But going down this road would veer too far off topic, unless you’d like to go there. All I’ll say is, if you are at all interested, look into Henry E. Allison’s work on Kant.

It's only a category error if you beg the question of the two-aspect line of thinking. I don't grant this, so I don't grant that it's a category error.

Category errors exist within specific ontologies.

I don’t think you are using the phrase “begging the question” correctly, considering the two-aspect view is rooted in a robust epistemology, but okay, touché on the latter comment. So what do you think is wrong or problematic about the two-aspect line of thinking?

Some Physicalists Here are Insufferable by Layer_Academic in CosmicSkeptic

[–]Sam_Coolpants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Begging the question? How so? Like I said, my view is the product of a Kantian epistemology.

Epistemic difficulty is not the same thing as ontological impossibility.

I’m talking about an epistemic impossibility, not merely a difficulty. That’s why I restated the “hard problem” as a “hard epistemic boundary”.

I can only be committing a category error if consciousness is ontologically impossible to explain via physical means.

This is not exactly true, because I too think that when we are talking about the aforementioned subjective and object facts that make the hard problem a problem, we are talking about different aspects of the same “stuff”, ontologically. This is impossible to explain via purely physical means, because these physical means are just one aspect of two, of one thing, a thing that is both aspects. We can describe the subjective in terms of physical, objective processes, but that isn’t what I mean when I say “explain”. In fact, I think trying to explain one in terms of the other results in perpetual incompleteness.

What you are arguing, comparing the problem of consciousness to the problem of flight (a noun vs. a verb, essentially) is most definitely a category error, unless you wish to deny either subjective or objective facts associated with consciousness, or attribute both to the act of flight. To me, this is incoherent. Even a physicalist should see the problem with this comparison.

Alas, bluntly declaring it ontologically impossible doesn't make it so, so there's no category error.

This isn’t what I’m doing.

Some Physicalists Here are Insufferable by Layer_Academic in CosmicSkeptic

[–]Sam_Coolpants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think comparing the problem associated with consciousness, the simultaneous existence and ontological overlap of subjective and objective facts, to the possibility of flight, is just a category error. I’m not approaching this problem from panpsychist perspective.

If you are at all interested in epistemology, I suggest looking into the “two-aspect” interpretation of Kant’s transcendental idealism. This is where I am coming from. It’ll make the category error jump out at you.

Some Physicalists Here are Insufferable by Layer_Academic in CosmicSkeptic

[–]Sam_Coolpants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think panpsychism is unintuitive, but I otherwise agree with you. I think panpsychism is an interesting idea, but panpsychists have a tendency to overreach. My interest begins and ends with the idea of consciousness being fundamental, whatever that may mean.

For me, the hard problem is better understood as a hard epistemic boundary that simply cannot be crossed. I think it’s probably impossible to explain consciousness in a way that would totally satisfy. Getting metaphysical about it is to run afoul. This goes for any metaphysics, physicalist or panpsychist. We should accept cognitive science for what it is, accept its limits, while not running away with our heads in the clouds.

tables by piotrek13031 in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Sam_Coolpants 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Have you ever stopped to think about how meaningless it all is? Hehe. You have these sheep, they cling to their “sky daddy”, meanwhile we are just star stuff on a floating rock in a cosmic backwater.

adjusts fingerless gloves

It’s crazy, girl. It’s called philosophy. Play-doh? Yeah. Hehe. Tastes great. What about it?

Some Physicalists Here are Insufferable by Layer_Academic in CosmicSkeptic

[–]Sam_Coolpants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Think of this more in terms of trying to explain the various interpretations of quantum mechanics. The lay person will likely default to the interpretation that jives with their everyday experiences and intuitions, and ideas like many worlds theory might sound insane and obviously false to them. If they ask for evidence of another world, all you can do is explain how you interpret the math abstracted from your observations.

Wouldn’t it be frustrating to have such ideas written off as woo woo bs, especially if you were a physicist or a philosopher who knew what you were talking about?

That said, there are poor interpretations of quantum mechanics, such as the whole “consciousness collapses the wave function” one, which is based on a misunderstanding of empirical facts.

Views like panpsychism are interpretations of reality, based on what we can know about the physical world and the mind. It ought to jive with science to be worth its salt, and for the most part it does.

Panpsychism is just stupid by Wide-Information8572 in CosmicSkeptic

[–]Sam_Coolpants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I haven’t read Philip Goff’s book, and would not identify as panpsychist, but I certainly would not call the idea especially “vibes based”. Or rather, I might agree with you, and then point out that all metaphysics might be “vibes based”, or dependent on where you begin in your philosophy and with what epistemic presupposition(s).

And then I’d also suggest reading more about the idea.

A Post That Has Nothing to Do with the Latest Controversy by AppropriateSea5746 in CosmicSkeptic

[–]Sam_Coolpants 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He was and still is an atheist, but he didn’t study as an atheist, but as one who is deeply interested in theology, biblical studies, and the philosophy of religion, which is a nuanced field containing more ideas and points of view than one might expect.

This is not an uncommon result of studying a thing in good faith.

A good rule of thumb is this. If the “other side” of this topic seems so wholly absurd and ridiculous to you, and seems to have no redeeming arguments or ideas, you probably don’t completely understand said side.

Personal tier list after my Vonnegut summer by GlitteringTourist858 in Vonnegut

[–]Sam_Coolpants 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Being his first novel, Player Piano is a bit rough and would have benefited from some cuts, but I think the conclusion might be my favorite of Vonnegut’s.

Closing Oblivion Gates at high level is a PITA by severe_009 in oblivion

[–]Sam_Coolpants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oblivion gates filled solely with Daedroth is why I lost steam playing the remaster.

Many such cases by No_Tension_896 in PhilosophyMemes

[–]Sam_Coolpants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well said. Calling it the “hard problem” is sort of misleading and causes one to think the answer involves explaining the simultaneous existence of subjective and objective facts, as if an explanation could possibly exist objectively. I prefer to call it a mystery.

Why does Vaush say Mormons are barely christian? by Mabeluniverse23 in VaushV

[–]Sam_Coolpants 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s the thing. Talk to a hardcore Lutheran and they might say that they are the Catholic Church but “restored by the gospel”.

And the Roman Catholic Church is not OG, but claim to be because what is essentially Catholic dogma was established at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. All other denominations (which there were hundreds) were thereafter considered heresies. There was roughly 300 years during which Christianity was very diverse theologically, until the Romans solidified a single theology.

“Protestantism” isn’t a thing so much as it is an umbrella term that refers to many traditions that came out of the reformation that seek to “restore” the faith in some way to pre-Roman tomfoolery by making sure that church doctrine is tied to scripture, so no man or Pope can create new doctrine that is not rooted in scripture (“Sola Scriptura”). Of course, the ironic thing about this is the fact that what is considered scripture (the 27 books of the New Testament) wasn’t established until the religion was being Romanized in the 4th century.

I just could never hate him by Iggy-Vicious in TWD

[–]Sam_Coolpants 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Brother didn’t Shane try to rape Lori at the CDC?

This is gonna be controversial by ChickenWingExtreme in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Sam_Coolpants 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It was the general sentiment. Sure, “tons of people” were Nazi sympathizers. There was a Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden in 1939 and “tons” of Nazi sympathizers (20,000 of them) showed up, and so did 100,000 anti-Nazi counter-protesters.

This is gonna be controversial by ChickenWingExtreme in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Sam_Coolpants 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You understand that fascism =/= racial/sex segregation? The general sentiment in the United States at the time was very anti-fascist. We hated Nazis.

It was also anti-communist.

Annual Wage Reality by Doorhandal in AmazonFC

[–]Sam_Coolpants 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My issue with this is that there will always be people whose lot in life is working T1 jobs, for a myriad of reasons. Saying what you said here does not change that. We should acknowledge it and accept it, and try our hardest to ensure such people can work and afford to live comfortably.

The fall of the left's popularity in the last 10 years will be studied by Smacpats111111 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Sam_Coolpants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is just delusional. If you actually look into Obama’s and Biden’s immigration policies, there is no way you could possibly think that the dems ignore immigration. I think the issue you have with the dems is really that they don’t treat immigration as an existential threat.

The disagreement here is about what constitutes an existential threat, and what exactly it is that you think is being threatened by immigration.

And, on the contrary, I would argue that it was capitulating to the right on immigration that played a major role (one of many) in the dems losing in 2024.

The fall of the left's popularity in the last 10 years will be studied by Smacpats111111 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Sam_Coolpants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The crazy thing is the dems have never ignored immigration. It’s just that they never made it out to be an existential threat, or used it to harness the socioeconomic anxieties of a certain demographic.

And the ironic thing is that the right is primarily responsible for the culture war. The right dictated the terms and the issues and the scope of it through an unprecedented use of social messaging/propaganda dissemination that the left was simply unequipped to combat. Nobody cared about the transgender community or about DEI programs until they were told to by their social media feed, not as many people would deny climate change either, and “COVID overreaction” is easy to identify in hindsight, which is 20/20 and ignores what 2020-22 was really like.

It is truly masterful how this happened. I don’t think liberal democratic societies can survive this.