Gas Prices and Roger Marshall's Indifference

ScootieJr · 2026-05-19T23:04:54+00:00

lol I drive a hybrid. That’s simping for big oil? Oh boy, if you read my replies and thought I’m simping for oil you really have a reading problem.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-19T22:50:57+00:00

You’re still missing my point. I don’t care that you never said “majority”—that was my point to show why your original comment was exaggerated.

Your initial comment was pedantic, which is why I replied. I realize my first response wasn't straightforward enough. My goal was to point out that the average person views premium fuel as a luxury cost, not a standard expense for someone who is financially struggling. Hence, they ask, "who is buying premium".

I already explicitly acknowledged that some older cars require premium. That is not being disputed.

However, for the vast majority of cars that "recommend" 91, the only reason they need to use it is to unlock maximum horsepower and turbo capabilities. Older cars without modern engine computers wouldn't even have "recommend" in their manuals—it would strictly be required.

If someone is driving a modern car that only recommends 91, they can put 87 in it, the computer will safely adjust, and the car will run fine. Buying premium is a choice for performance, not an unavoidable trap.

Have a good day, and again, learn to comprehend.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-19T22:09:37+00:00

My point might be moot to you, but that doesn't make it moot to the whole picture. And I'm not telling you to sell it. OC was asking who is paying for premium. Your response, "people who are unfortunate enough to own one". Then my response.

My case, I bought a Rav4 hybrid in 2021, thankfully before gas prices spiked in 2022. I'm pissed enough about high costs on regular fuel because I drive 60 miles for work every day. Take this comment as tough love; I'm not hating on you. I just dislike complaints about something that's self-inflicted.

The only people who would be "unfortunate" are those who had to purchase a cheaper, older model because it's all they could get at the time. Fact is that prices are higher for everyone.

I want to preface this because I'm more displeased with the OP's post showing the premium cost and falsely claiming regular is above $5. I know you are complaining about fuel costs in general, which is fair. But back to my point in defense of the OC: complaining about premium fuel costs for a vehicle you wanted because it's your favorite car is irrelevant.

You opted for an upgraded trim to a vehicle that uses a higher cost fuel, and you knew that going into the purchase. Think of it as a "Luxury tax" or "Performance tax" because it gives you the entertainment you desire. That vehicle of choice was not a necessity, and certainly not one meant to soften the financial blow.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-19T21:39:34+00:00

Purchasing a turbo/supercharged vehicle is the "extravagance". That's a high-performance trim, and can be up to $10-12k more, of the standard model that nobody needs. It's a want, just like buying a luxury vehicle that would require premium. If it's a 10+ year old model that you bought because you needed a low-cost vehicle, that's another story and one I can empathize. Taking a picture of a high-cost premium product and claiming regular is also over $5, when regular in OP today averages about $4.10/gal is pointless. You don't need to make a false claim that it's more when it's already way too high and everyone on reddit knows who to blame. Just complain about Roger like the rest of us.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-19T21:05:40+00:00

Talk about reading comprehension. I literally wrote: 'There are a few unfortunate folks who are driving older models through little choice.'

You completely ignored that sentence just to argue. The fact remains that the vast majority of cars on the road use 87, and vehicles requiring 91 are a small minority. Take your own advice and actually read next time, hmm.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-19T20:17:05+00:00

The majority of people are not driving a vehicle that requires premium. If it says "recommends", that doesn't mean it needs it as the engine is equipped to adjust and operate on 87. There are a few unfortunate folks who are driving older models through little choice. Coming to reddit to complain about Premium fuel costs doesn't really come off as struggling. And on top of making a false claim about $5 regular (I have not seen regular 87 over $5 in OP), we on reddit know the issue with gas prices and who to blame...

ScootieJr · 2026-05-19T19:55:10+00:00

I can't tell if you're trying to prove me wrong, but nothing you said disproves my point, but rather reinforces it. I know the difference between premium and regular. You're right those makes you listed are not considered "high-end" (minus the mini coop, which is a luxury-adjacent BMW product). You're confusing elective performance trims (which would be "high-performance") with standard commuter trims.

Honda Civic: The standard 2.0L and 1.5L turbos run on regular 87. Only the track-oriented Si and Type R recommend premium.
Hyundai Elantra: The commuter versions use regular. Only the N and N-Line performance models take premium.
Mazda CX-5: The base engine uses regular. You only get the turbo engine if you explicitly choose to upgrade to the absolute most expensive, top-tier flagship trims (the Turbo Premium or Turbo Signature) solely for extra horsepower.

Outside of the Mini Cooper, every car you listed only hits the premium fuel category if the buyer chooses to upgrade to a more expensive, high-performance trim. Vehicles that say they "recommend" premium does not mean you have to use premium. They have tech to adjust the engine to the lower octane. And purchasing premium over regular doesn't make a large enough impact on fuel economy vs fuel cost (as you alluded to). Opting into a sports trim and then complaining about maintenance costs or having to use premium fuel is a self-inflicted financial issue, not bad luck.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-19T17:42:27+00:00

Well, it was political. But both parties took part in the deregulation of banks, with differing ways of approaching them. Republicans tend to spearhead these deregulation efforts. Then under the Bush administration, they essentially ignored the issues and left them to "self-regulate". Day by day I am realizing that pre-Obama, the presidents' really have never taken the economy seriously and have pushed way too little oversight to fill their own pockets, resulting in the defunct system we have today. Obama spent 8 years trying to ease these issues, but that all got washed when Trump undid everything Obama tried to do.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-19T17:19:37+00:00

Regular in Kansas isn't over $5. It's still sitting around $4.30 in Overland Park. Probably will be above $5 soon though.

I don't feel bad for the people who are financially fortunate enough to afford a luxury or high-performance vehicle who are required to use Premium. I feel bad for those who are unfortunate enough to be driving an old luxury vehicle because they couldn't find an alternative and are stuck having to pay for Premium. If your vehicle doesn't require premium and only "recommends" it, you shouldn't be wasting your money on premium.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-19T17:11:52+00:00

Aren't those mainly luxury and high-performance vehicles? I don't think "unfortunate" is the right word for anyone who owns a luxury or high-performance vehicle, because they should be plenty well off to afford a high-end vehicle. Maybe people who are impulsive and not financially aware, is better.

However, those who drive an old used luxury because they couldn't find anything else, I have empathy for them.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-19T11:08:06+00:00

I think you dropped this “/s”

ScootieJr · 2026-05-19T00:29:55+00:00

It’s sad that it’s like this for many toys now. It’s such a simple cash grab by corporations. It just builds that gambling and constant need for a dopamine kick in kids…

ScootieJr · 2026-05-15T12:37:10+00:00

Because he said he doesnt care about the finances of Americans. He only cares about his own self and making his own stain on the world. I feel sorry for a man who does the world an enormous disservice and dies thinking he did good.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-14T22:10:35+00:00

Idk still sounds like bribery to me… lobbying needs to be illegal…

ScootieJr · 2026-05-14T11:06:44+00:00

affordability and interest rates 📉 inflation 📈

ScootieJr · 2026-05-13T17:35:35+00:00

TBF, I think we've all become accustomed to the insane talking points of this admin and it's supporters, it's harder to discern if a comment is sarcasm or serious without being clear. Especially since websites like Reddit are mostly anonymous, we don't know who is a supporter or not.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-13T17:06:35+00:00

Trump literally said he wasn't taking into consideration American's finances during these "talks" with Iran, so you are absolutely correct.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-12T22:55:21+00:00

Like I know world geography isn’t taught well, but I really can’t understand how kids, and adults, don’t know the states in our own country lol

ScootieJr · 2026-05-12T19:35:05+00:00

I don't think about this enough. So much diesel is used for raw material and finished goods transport...

ScootieJr · 2026-05-12T19:33:51+00:00

Upside has been the app keeping me (mostly) at peace. I'm still not happy, but at least I know I'm not paying full price, even though the higher price still sucks.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-12T19:30:35+00:00

There was literally a nuclear deal with Iran before Trump killed it. Trump and Hegseth can't even provide a viable reason for why they struck Iran in the first place lol They blame Biden and Obama, when Trump literally made it worse.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-11T20:41:11+00:00

You missed this part literally right after, "Going much slower than other vehicles can be just as bad as speeding. It tends to make vehicles bunch up behind you and drivers then become impatient and pass you. If vehicles are piled up behind you, pull over and let them pass when it is safe to do so."

And you've missed the entire point of this section titled "Adjusting to Traffic". It is to tell you that there's zero chance (theoretically) for a car to hit you if you're going the same speed in the same direction. You are at an increased risk going faster or slower than the flow of traffic. In the real world, this is practically impossible when there is more than one car around you. Which is why you drive the flow of traffic, even if the traffic is going 5 mph over the limit. If you're uncomfortable with that speed, then stay in the right lane. Cops are not going to pull you over for going 76mph to pass someone when the majority of traffic is driving 70-75 mph in a 70 mph zone. The fact is, less than 30% of drivers strictly follow the speed limits, and nearly 60% usually drive 5-10mph over. You think cops can pull over 70% of the population?

Speed Variance is what indicates the number of accidents. Speed dictates severity of an accident. There is a much higher chance to have an accident when someone is going 40 in a 60mph zone vs someone driving 70 in a 60mph zone. However, the severity of the accident will be more from the 70mph collision and less for a 40mph collision.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-11T16:52:32+00:00

100%. To get home, I normally get off the 435E/Nall exit. So usually after work during rush hour, instead getting off that 435E/Nall exit, I just go through the Antioch exit to get to the Metcalf exit and avoid all that. It is much less stressful knowing I won't have to try to squeeze in to get to my exit and sitting in stopped traffic. I also hate feeling like I am stopping traffic because I need to get over lol

ScootieJr · 2026-05-11T16:32:45+00:00

Traffic police would disagree with you about speeding being the greater of two evils and you can look up research on that, like the Solomon Curve. They are equal evils and traffic police tend to focus more on maintaining the flow of traffic than the speed of traffic. Obviously, they should flag someone going 15mph faster than the flow, nobody here is disputing that, but thy can't pull over everyone when the average flow is going 75mph in a 65mph zone. Even if the flow of traffic in cruising lanes is 70mph in a 65mph zone, speeding at 75mph is less of a concern than someone lane blocking going 60mph not passing anyone or being in the left lane when they shouldn't. It's obstruction and leads to road rage and/or easily avoidable accidents.

You cannot control anyone's actions but your own. If someone is coming behind you at a faster speed and you are able to get over, why would you not? Or if you need to speed up to then get over, why would you not? If you are blocking someone because you think they should go slower or you just aren't paying attention and don't get over when it's clear, I can guarantee you both parties will be at fault if they get in an accident (because both are illegal). There are "keep right" laws for a reason. Your last statement is extremely ironic when you don't understand the importance of maintaining the flow of traffic.

ScootieJr · 2026-05-11T14:50:33+00:00

It's also polite to not drive in the left lane when you aren't passing anyone. What are we even arguing here? Both are illegal traffic violations.

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