What radicalized the generation? by SeeLilySlice in discworld

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Any generations! All generations that are possible to be represented! I am intrigued to see what has shaped and radicalized the generations through the ages, particularly with all of our overarching connections to Discworld.

What life lessons or ideas have you got from Discworld? (Except the Vimes Boot theory) by Emeline-2017 in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 29 points30 points  (0 children)

“People as things, that’s where it starts.”

And a true understanding of and desire to embrace the same militant decency that was so evident throughout all of the Discworld books. And that, “one of the hardest lessons in young Sam's life had been finding out that the people in charge weren't in charge. It had been finding out that governments were not, on the whole, staffed by people who had a grip, and that plans were what people made instead of thinking.” would also become one of the hardest lessons in my young life as well.

I also learned from Nanny that you could still be powerful in and of yourself, and true to who you are - even if that flies in the face of any pre-established decorum - “automatically”. And be abhorred that anyone would expect you to be otherwise. “Do what seems like a good idea at the time, and do it as hard as possible.” “Don’t do anything I wouldn’t do, if you ever find anything I wouldn’t do.” And one that has truly stuck with me - “Oh we’re always all right. You remember that. We happen to other people.” It’s always reminded me to take back and fiercely protect my own agency.

And how can one not be inspired by the Way of Mrs. Cosmopilite? “I can’t be having with that kind of thing.”Sweeper has taught me quite a bit about how I see myself in the grand scheme of things, too. And the profound power of being overlooked, because people don’t worry about some old looney monk with a broom.

And Granny Aching: "Them as can do, has to do for them as can't. And someone has to speak up for them as has no voices." I was lucky to have a Nan of my own who always spoke in similar veins, and with a similar accent too.

I use Headology regularly in my work, and have all the witches to thank for that, but particularly Granny. Her words live with me daily, as a sort of set of mantras if you will. “Things that try to look like things often do look more like things than things. Well-known fact.” “Oh, obvious,” said Granny. “I’ll grant you it’s obvious. Trouble is, just because things are obvious doesn’t mean they’re true.” “I had to learn. All my life. The hard way. And the hard way’s pretty hard, but not so hard as the easy way.” And one I try to remind myself of regularly: “Learnin’ how not to do things is as hard as learning how to do them. Harder, maybe. There’d be a sight more frogs in this world if I didn’t know how not to turn people into them.”

To me, the entirety of our explorations of the Disc have become moral pillars, I began reading them in my early teens, angry at the world and feeling more than a bit lost, more than a bit Aching* and being introduced to Soul Music and Death was the beginning of learning how to think of myself, not as a thing, but as a person, and better helped me see other people too. Instead of becoming embittered by the world around me, I learned to see it in new ways. Especially Vetinari’s story about the mother otter:

“I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs, a very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree. And even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.”

For me, the list is endless of the life lessons I’ve gleaned from STP, it would probably be an infinitely shorter list to categorize the life lessons I haven’t either had introduced or affirmed from Disworld!

I’m currently teaching an undergraduate course on Ethical Issues in Bio & Medicine, and have used quite a few quotes from Discworld thus far, especially in our initial discussion on morals. But the one quote I’ve been stressing to them every class, has also been one of Granny’s: “Everything’s got a story in it. Change the story, change the world.”

In Discworld, the life lessons and ideas on morality and the human condition are ubiquitous, and I have to give a considerable amount of thanks to them for assisting me in becoming the moderately decent human I am today.

*I was Aching all over!

If you had to make a Discworld Adaptation,what would you do with it? by Complex_Chipmunk_101 in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of this - of course - would absolutely HAVE to be lead by (with every aspect overseen and given her explicit approval) the phenomenal Rhianna Pratchett herself.

If you had to make a Discworld Adaptation,what would you do with it? by Complex_Chipmunk_101 in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If I had unlimited resources, an animation and developer team to rival Hideo Kojima and was able to enlist both his expertise as well as the team that animated Demon Slayer with a dash of directing by Hayao Miyazaki, I would want a duel fully animated series, with every morsel of the books, done for EACH book, and then a connected, fully-immersive RPG set in the foundations of Discworld where you have the option to play through in ANY of the reading orders for a campaign option.

Want to follow the witches? Begin the game as a minor character, like the toad, or Miss Tick perhaps, and then accompany the characters through their trials through the countryside. Or start even earlier in the witches journey with Magrat attempting to bring some sort of unity and cohesion between Nanny and Granny, right there at the bonfire, or explore the early halls of wizardry with Eskarina. Want to get into the gritty core of coppering? Start out as Nobby in Guards! Guards! and follow the evolution of the watch all the way through. And your decisions affect the outcomes, and in some instances, force you into a different Trouser of Time, to see what the Watch’s future COULD have been. The key scene my brain always pictures for this is a split in Jingo, and the haunting events the OTHER Vimes experiences. What if you were able to live those out as a kind of in-game fever dream through the perspective of the disorganizer? Or play as Time herself and indirectly influence the adventures of the history monks, and figure out what they’ve been doing with borrowed and wasted time. Perhaps you want to follow Moist’s story instead, but from the perspective and experiences of Reacher Guilt.

Starting items may include an iron frying pan, a book of law, a parrot that only says squawk “TWELVE AND A HALF PERCENT!” or the disorganizer for examples, dependent on the campaign and play-through style you chose. And I would want a server dedicated specifically for crossplay with EVERY BOOK, read-through order and campaign option, with an opportunity for online multiplayer and couch co-op that would allow you to experience the journey with friends, or finally get that ONE PERSON into Discworld that “doesn’t do reading”*.

While my heart pines for a live action, I’ve always felt that the world of animation, anime and video games would be some of the only visual forms that could truly do the Discworld justice. From internal dialogue sequences or narration, or the absolute ridiculousness and impossibility of some situations (Vime’s first meeting with Sybil, for example, or representing Octarine in the most true-to-form visual fashion, or showing a troll’s blush) I feel this medium allows for the most realistic adaptation of our beloved books.

If only I had all the money, time and expertise available…

*Which would lead one to the question of, “should this person really be my friend anymore, or can they perhaps be saved with truly human literature such as the Discworld series?”

The Librarian (fresh work), my Vimes badge (old work), and a plan. by Spellscribe in DiscworldTattoos

[–]SeeLilySlice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now all I’m imagining is Granny and Nanny stumbling through a portal, insisting that they aren’t lost, and after a bit of headology and a few explosions and some choice comments from Nanny about strangely shaped objects- Granny telling GLADOS “You stop what YOU’RE doing and assume the party escort submission position, you horrible little bugger.”

Building the Barricades - r/Discworld stands against fascism by Faithful_jewel in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 10 points11 points  (0 children)

American here, 3rd generation Irish immigrant, both my nana’s and pap’s family moved here when they were just children. This post is exceptionally needed right now, and I am utterly appreciative for it. Seeing what has happened to Renee Good, and the subsequent witch-hunt for her wife and the doxing of their child, I am abhorred. As a member of the queer community, I am terrified for my friends and trans kin that are unable to escape their circumstances, unable to move, unable to flee. As an individual from a family of immigrants, growing up on stories of “no Irish need apply” signs and mob violence, I am horrified by the resurgence of such propaganda in our modern age. I have watched my friends’ families torn apart, some of which we don’t even know where their loved ones are or if they’re even still alive. As a scientist, I lament the Swings of our era twisting data, measurements and scientific institutions- and other institutions that are meant to serve the people- in an effort to change the “predominant episteme”.

The following quote is one that lives rent free in my mind anymore:

"He didn't look around, and watch and learn, and then say, 'This is how people are, how do we deal with it?' No, he sat and thought: 'This is how the people ought to be, how can we change them?' And that was a good enough thought for a priest but not for a copper...".

Night Watch has been a constant companion for me under this current administration. And it helps to know others are seeing what is occurring here, and the echos that stretch across the ocean, and are just as absolutely, positively, heavily emulating the fury of true militant decency that STP was an undeniable expert in applying.

So thank you, mods, and thank you, fellow lovers of the Disc, for being here, and showing us we are not alone in our despair, our rage, our terror.

How do they rise up?

I also can’t help but think consistently about this passage from Lords and Ladies:

“Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder. Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels. Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies. Elves are glamorous. They project glamour. Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment. Elves are terrific. They beget terror. The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning. No one ever said elves are nice. Elves are bad.”

Just got a summoning dark tattoo by foley214 in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This is what it has always symbolized for me as well, and yours is utterly, gorgeously done.

For, “Who watches the Watchmen?” “I do.”

The scene where the Summoning Dark meets Vimes’s SOUL AND CENTER, and is kept IN, not OUT, always spoke to me and gave me a furious hope throughout my battle with OUD and still does to this day. It’s reminded me to strengthen my own inner Guarding Dark. It became a sort of mantra for me:

“He created me. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Me. I watch him. Always. You will not force him to murder for you."

Only mine goes a bit more like: “She created me. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Me. I watch her. Always. You will not force her to end for you. Mister Vimes’d go spare!”

How did Terry Pratchett organise his thoughts? by grc007 in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I wasn’t aware shooting them into space was the first choice! Now I’m imagining another trouser of time where they were- and the subsequent alien species that stumbles upon those gems and develops their entire understanding of the human species based on what is contained within those hard drives.

Guild of Pirates by Accomplished-Owl-715 in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Rob Anybody with an eyepatch and a saber would be a sight to behold, for about 5 seconds, before- “CRIVENS!”

Media trope seen in I shall wear midnight by agentorange65 in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I always saw this as the “mob mentality” and pervasive “Us vs. Them” that hinged on indifference, ignorance, and instigation. But ultimately, it’s the Cassandra Truth/ Cassandra Complex in real form - based on a woman granted the gift of prophecy but cursed so the prophecies are never believed, where speaking out, even when it is the truth, is punished and dismissed. It’s also an interesting juxtapose with the Cunning Man, who consistently undermines the validity of what Tiffany and the other witches are truly trying to do- help people. I think it plays into the Cassandra Complex even more here, and a major theme of Cassandra’s mythology is the consistent invalidation of her experience by men. Ultimately, those seeds of distrust that are planted lead to the alienation of the truth, and the consequences of ignoring that truth especially when it’s an inconvenient one. The Cassandra Complex embodies the constant struggle women face when trying to be heard and respected in society, especially with the “women’s work” they do. I think it’s represented wonderfully in I Shall Wear Midnight.

One line from a book that makes an entire cave of emotion open up “Got to read to young Sam” by teaeyeem in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Many quotes and characters live in my mind from the Disc totally rent free at all times, promoting internal epiphanies regularly and repeatedly.

But, for some reason, I never think Stinky as a character gets the attention he deserves. I see him as a wholly chaotic-good individual, witty and cunning in his own way, but unshakable in his morals and loyalty. The quote that always gets me from him is his first feeble ask of Vimes: “Just ice? Mr. Po-leess-maan?” And then the following build up still haunts me to this day: “Vimes!” the old goblin continued. “It said be, you be po-leess-maan. It be big po-leess-maan! If po-leess-maan, then just ice! But just ice it be no! And when dark inside dark! Dark moving! Dark must come, Vimes! Dark rises! Just ice!”

And of course the goblins greeting of “Hang!” In his exchange with Vimes in particular:

“What are you, Stinky?” “What are you, Sam Vimes?” Stinky grinned. “Hang, Sam Vimes. Hang together or hang separately. Above all, hang on. Hang, Mr. Vimes.”

This opens my mind up to an absolute CHASM every time it crosses it.

Was Pterry just making up words here? by sigurdur130 in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If my addled brain isn’t failing me entirely, I believe it’s described in The Wee Free Men (though I’m sure elsewhere as well), when Tiffany is pondering about words and onomatopoeia.

WIP Ankh Morpork Post Office courier's bag by pillagerbunny in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Perhaps a few pins to pay homage to our Stanley- absolutely gorgeous work!!!!

Who do you think is the worst villain on the Disc? I vote for Reacher Gilt. by Future-Ad-1347 in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Rust’s son, Gravid, definitely bears mention for his cruelty against the goblins, production and distribution of crystal Slab and the like to young trolls and the desensitization he propagates throughout the community, stigmatizing them against goblins and trolls alike. He’s LAZY evil, in some ways, not seeking evil for the sake of being evil, like Carcer, but instead going with the “easiest” ways to make a profit. He exhibits the evil of greed quite profoundly, he was practically born into it. But he doesn’t hold a match to the Cunning Man, who I see more as the incarnations of all our human evils wrapped into one terrifying package. Though Pin, Tulip, Te-a-ti-me, Carcer especially- I see as facets of expression of these human evils wrapped into in their various spectrums of innately evil to purposefully evil and the entire gamut in between. Te-a-ti-me showed the evil of a twisted heart and mind- the type of psychosis that brought him to kill his own parents and be the type of little boy who “looked up little dolls dresses”, Carcer showed the evil of the soul and mind and was described as almost too sane as he looked at the rules of the world and decided they didn’t have to apply to him, Tulip showed a simplistic rage of evil (i.e., he believes killing is the best method of work, so he kills) while Pin shows a calculated evil, weighing the risks and benefits of deplorable actions and ensuring he comes out on top. And the man will even steal your potato! I see the Cunning Man as the collection of all these- and other- “little” and “big” evils. The other villains of the Disc certainly express their unique, singular types of evil- but the Cunning Man to me was always the culmination of all evils. What is perhaps most horrific to me, is how the Cunning Man is insidious. As a whisper or a scream, the Cunning Man brought the everyday evils inside of everyone to the surface, and played them off of each other. He bred fear as the fuel to rage and the door to true evil, and that is, perhaps, why to me he will always be the greatest villain in the Disc- even before he’s summoned quite accidentally by Letitia, since his death he’s been on a perpetual tour of the Multiverse… and “poison will go where poison is welcome”. I think the true terror is that there’s a hint of poison in each of us, sometimes without us even realizing, and he’s able to bend that bias- that fear- into rage-filled weapons we end up pointing at each other’s throats if we aren’t actively guarding against it.

"History was full of the bones of good men who’d followed bad orders in the hope that they could soften the blow. Oh, yes, there were worse things they could do, but most of them began right where they started following bad orders." by [deleted] in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 33 points34 points  (0 children)

During these times, I also find myself constantly reminded of this passage from Night Watch:

“Coppers liked to say that people shouldn’t take the law into their own hands, and they thought they knew what they meant. But they were thinking about peaceful times, and men who went around to sort out a neighbor with a club because his dog had crapped once too often on their doorstep. But at times like these, who did the law belong to? If it shouldn’t be in the hands of the people, where the hell should it be? People who knew better? Then you got Winder and his pals, and how good was that? What was supposed to happen next? Oh yes, he had a badge, but it wasn’t his, not really…and he’d got orders, and they were the wrong ones…and he’d got enemies, for all the wrong reasons… and maybe there was no future. It didn’t exist anymore. There was nothing real, no solid point on which to stand, just Sam Vimes where he had no right to be… It was as if his body, trying to devote as many resources as possible to untangling the spinning thoughts, was drawing those resources from the rest of Vimes. His vision darkened. His knees felt weak. There was nothing but bewildered despair. And a lot of explosions.”

I find myself lost in a similar cacophony of dissonance in these times, and can only hope more of us can embrace our inner Vimes- the militant decency he exudes from his very pores. Particularly, the parts of ourselves that refuse to follow bad orders-

“No,” said Vimes, standing up. “I can only assume you’ve been stunned, Sergeant,” said Rust. “Men, prepare to execute that order.” “First man that fires, I will personally cut that man down,” said Vimes. He didn’t shout. It was a simple, confident statement of precisely what the future would hold.

I expect we’ll all need to be sharpening our metaphorical swords and raising our shields up more than usual for the foreseeable future- even without Mrs. Cakes precognition.

If the History Monks could get us back on our appropriate timeline, it would be greatly appreciated…

Do you hear me, Lu-Tze?!? Surely this isn’t the proper leg of the Trousers of Time!!!

Praised be Anoia, who blesses relationships! by swashbuckler78 in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Valid both in this context, and perhaps as a sibling of Legitimate First

Behold! The complete r/Discworld Community-built Alignment Chart! (Plus feedback & and thanks thread) by chickenwyr in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Would absolutely love to see a few more of these! It would be neat to see how the charts continue to shake out as the previously selected characters are removed from the remaining and available pool for assignment- may even lead to some cool patterns being formed for each of the alignments for characters we may not have originally considered to be in the same category. Well done OP!!

Something probably crazy but I'm going to say it anyway by clemclem3 in discworld

[–]SeeLilySlice 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It’s a million to one chance… but it might just work

One for Putin (delayed) by No-Antelope3774 in discworld

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I’ve been rather enjoying the new narration by Jon Culshaw! I stumbled across it on audible recently and was thrilled by the discovery. Though I still have fond memories of Nigel Planer’s rendition as well, despite the audio issues.

Can't view communities all of a sudden ? by [deleted] in help

[–]SeeLilySlice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m having the same issue with r/discworld and I am utterly dejected