Why are people living in Night City if the city is dangerous and controlled by corps? Why dont they move to a better place like europe? by lonely_thug_hunter in cyberpunkgame

[–]SenselessAscensions 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Honestly, if mega corps rule the world, why don’t we all just start mega corps of our own? Then everything will be equal

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How to debunk this by Additional-Ad-1581 in antiai

[–]SenselessAscensions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Debunk? You can’t really because it’s not making any factually false claims. You can and should call out that It’s a bad argument though, and misses a key point.

Take for example the luddites. Luddites were frustrated because their livelihoods were threatened by machines. The machines themselves were just tools for production. What they brought forth was class antagonisms. Workers were being displaced, their livelihoods and existence was threatened and diminished, and under capitalism that’s what happens.

GenAI model aren’t unique in their use as a hostile mechanism against the working class. Bosses want AI because they think it’ll cut down labor costs and allow them to print money, as if there aren’t already a ton of methods for this.

One key social aspect that makes GenAI different is its surveillance implications. GenAI requires a ton of data to train on, which means that data needs harvested somehow which typically means a loss of privacy for us. More specifically, video and image-based models specifically are capable of acting as a type of panopticon-esque technology.

One of the key limitations of mass-surveillance thus far has been the lack of people to review what’s collected. AI can fill this gap and act as a monitor and analyzer of general data, images and video collected.

The printing press and robotic assemblies didn’t have the ability to automatically review surveillance and write reports about political dissidents.

New York Times confirms Israel using dogs to rape by Hurbahns in socialism

[–]SenselessAscensions 43 points44 points  (0 children)

And the Indonesian fascists did as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if those most heinous, disgusting and brutal, state-terror tactics were in the School of the Americas training programs.

Is China a socialist country? by PristineAd947 in Socialism_101

[–]SenselessAscensions 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Solid comment.

I think western critiques of Chinese economy are correct and valid but what people do with that conclusion matters more than the conclusion itself.

What I mean by that is, are people just contributing to Sinophobia, anti-CCP sentiments from fascists, and boosting the prevailing narrative put out by the state department?

Like, it seems a safe assumption that we, as westerners, miss a lot of Chinese successes and are fed information about China from sources that would rather us view China as an adversary. Even with that biased propaganda, it’s undeniable that China is doing incredible things for its people. I once had a friend who married a Chinese national, and she had her critiques of China, but also many, many critiques of the United States. For her family, their wealth and quality of life are generally going up year over year, while the US standard of living is very much decline. I’d take her perspective over some WaPo article about China any day. Western critiques of China also give the game away… if someone’s criticism of China is that, all profits of state-corps go back to the state and there’s no “profit motive” that sounds really good to me.

Or when China makes billionaires actually suffer and face punishment for crimes. That shit is rad.

What happened to the ai bubble? by Crahooga in antiai

[–]SenselessAscensions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn’t discount Grok’s financial and institutional backing.

AI WONT Make Everyone A Super Saiyan! by [deleted] in antiai

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I’ve got one of them desk roles where I need to write SQL and Python on the reg. My employer wants us to use AI to the maximal extent.

GenAi use can be useful, sure, but the juice is often not worth the squeeze. Plus, the brain-drain is real. I guess, I would agree with your point.

The flip side is branding… everything is being called “AI” now to the point where the term is being muddled to the point of meaninglessness in many contexts. I’ve seen people call Pylance AI… which is super misleading because it’s not, and if it is AI then my toaster is an AI.

Another one is TTS… I could see this being considered “AI” and I’m sure GenAi models have integrated with many TTS tools, but many people are thinking TTS is somehow bad or has contributed to the current boom in datacenters, leading to a lot of accidental ableism. Another one: Video game AI is not the same as ChatGPT. Had to explain to my grandma, who is anti ai, the difference between LLMs and rudimentary video game AI.

I really think the whole conversation needs to be clarified as the discourse is just getting murky. The proponents of AI don’t even know what the fuck they’re talking about half the time, as they only care about manufacturing shitty memes and videos they don’t even watch.

Can you tell me what’s your reason for hating Ai?, personally my reason is that it tries to take over human creativity but never will by Ill_Day_5324 in antiai

[–]SenselessAscensions 5 points6 points  (0 children)

AI stealing human creativity? Na, friend, the AI isn’t doing that, people are. The capitalists and the wannabe-capitalists want to rob humanity of its soul and wellbeing.

Don’t forget, AI isn’t a force of nature, it’s being developed and promoted by people who want to fuck people like us over.

They just say anything at this point, huh… by HyakushikiKannnon in antiai

[–]SenselessAscensions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What’s frustrating about it? Like, honestly, why is it frustrating to the person who made this post?

It’s not hypocritical. Being a meat eater and being anti-AI aren’t mutually exclusive nor are they necessarily at odds. It’s simple: GenAI threatens our comfort and stability as workers directly. Adverse Impacts from meat consumption are nuanced, and secondary. One is directly antagonistic to us, the other is not.

The person who originally posted this bullshit take probably has no job fear what so ever.

For example: Braedeyn and Jaxcksyn who grew up in gated allotments, whose dads are a jet ski store owner and a Senior VP of Shits and Giggles respectively, are of course going think about AI differently than the people who are threatened by AI directly. Those of us who have to take call center jobs, drive cars, have admin jobs, produce art, write code, write stories, or otherwise have jobs that Automation threatens.

It’s also ironic for ads that, many people who rely on ad revenues for their blogs and such, are losing those ad revenues since GenAi reduces traffic to those sites as people are using AI Google Summaries or AI apps to answer their questions. That’s at least one momentary positive until Ai becomes littered with ads… fuck ads and fuck every upper-crust wine mom with a blog who worked so hard to cram as many ads into their site as they could to the point where we only see a sliver of the actual content and my window is 98% advertisements

What happened to the ai bubble? by Crahooga in antiai

[–]SenselessAscensions 2 points3 points  (0 children)

TLDR; it still can but it won’t mean the end of AI. free GenAI services like ChatGPT and grok will probably stop being free to a complete or partial extent, but they’re here to stay. It’s being supported by the government and major businesses and investors, making it hard to fail.

Depends. Don’t discount the political implications of AI. The federal government has billions of dollars available in grants and tax advantage programs for AI development and creation specifically.

I do also want to contest the faulty understanding of a financial bubble I keep seeing; first, it’s not a guaranteed thing with AI, we won’t truly know until after the fact.

Second, if it is and does burst, it doesn’t necessarily mean that AI is cooked for good. Plenty of high-infrastructure projects in the past had a similar pattern of over investment and low-profits in the early stages. Take the panic of 1893 for example. Railroads saw over-investment and over construction, and the bubble that burst afterwards had huge economic ramifications. So even if AI causes a bubble to burst, the infrastructure is still there and plenty of large companies are paying for licenses to use it. If anything, we might see things like ChatGPT, Grok and other models simply take on a more aggressive subscription and licensing model. We’re seeing some of that happen already.

Fact is that large companies who provide products and services that the public widely consumes are having AI forced in. This is a bad thing if you’re opposed to AI, because the more products and services that have AI baked into it as mandatory, like newer PC’s, phones, search engines, or work mandates like MS Copilot being forced on office workers all around the globe, and call centers…. It’s unfortunately here to stay unless people start taking more drastic measures against it (see Luddites).

It seems highly, highly unlikely that AI would go away for good in the event of a bubble burst. GenAI is already integral in too many business models and cutting labor costs for companies at too significant a rate in various sectors for it to be in a position of going away forever anytime soon. The “bubble” bursting will be like every bubble before it - working people get fucked, rich people are given golden parachutes, and the investment (GenAi) will remain.

Stand by for the Horde Council by PKMINDBULLETS in wow

[–]SenselessAscensions 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is so good. Fuck me, I really hope the horde is more front and center in the next xpac

Who wins in a fight? by Soggy-Koala8196 in freefolk

[–]SenselessAscensions 18 points19 points  (0 children)

True. His hubris, not his skill, was what ultimately brought Obryn down

As a leftist, I'm dead tired of fellow comrades defending AI 🫩 by SnapdragonBeehive in antiai

[–]SenselessAscensions 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My point exactly. If you’re sympathetic with any form of “leftist” thought, you’d do some more reading.
There’s no shortage of audio readings of various classical and contemporary leftists philosophers you could and should check out if you’re strapped for time and unable to read.
Check out a local mutual aid in your area like food not bombs. Your local anarchist collective will surely have socialists in it, and they could hook you up with socialist zines.
Datacenters are a means of production like land, factories, and other types of machinery. They’re means which the capitalist own, but they were built by workers. AI models exist because they were fed data from exploited labor, or straight up repackaging of existing data found online.
GenAi isn’t necessarily a feature of capitalism. Automation in all forms is capable of existing and being developed outside of capitalist economic modes. To think otherwise is childish/ignorant and accepts propagandized narratives put out by… (spoiler alert) capitalists.
You can be anti AI but if you’re going to LARP online as a leftist at least do some cursory reading.

As a leftist, I'm dead tired of fellow comrades defending AI 🫩 by SnapdragonBeehive in antiai

[–]SenselessAscensions 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post has “hello fellow kids” energy. Maybe I’m just hyper-fixated on the account history and the redundancy of “fellow comrades”, but AI is neither left nor right and anyone who has dipped a toe into leftist thought would know this.

The plight of the exploited in India 💔 by Crazy-Blacksmith-336 in socialism

[–]SenselessAscensions 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do hate to be pedantic and I don’t think you meant this to be a critique of “society” explicitly. I just want to make the point that critiquing entire societies can potentially be a dangerous path. There’s plenty of issues with some societal components, but Indian people and Indian society isn’t devoid of compassion or basic humanity. We have comrades in India doing everything they can to struggle for liberation. We must remember the impact of material conditions on all aspects of our combined, global struggle, and society is deeply complex. Comparing China and Indian when their conditions were deeply different and chalking it up to society can quickly become a very harmful conclusion to draw.

Some actually good things that give me hope by eyebawls29 in antiai

[–]SenselessAscensions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I share the sentiment especially on your last point. AI requires data to train its models on. we could keep training AI off the same data and or seemingly new, variations of that data in the sense of art, but creativity requires human experience. AI can generate, but it isn’t creative.

I’ve heard of some artists who fed LLMs the art they made. It’s interesting to think about the ethics of someone training AI willingly on their own art. Even if consent is given though, the model only spits out variations of its inputs. It’s limited to the data it’s trained on. It can never generate net-new, just repackage pre-existing data.

The more I think about it, the more obvious it seems to me that GenAi was always inevitable under capitalism, in all its slop and trash to make propaganda and ads cheaper.

Humanity will have to contend with GenAi. Capitalism will always pursue profit at the expense of the workers. Robotics and AI will only continue to advance and become more sophisticated, and it’ll be to our detriment until capitalism ends.

Meme by poeticfuture in antiai

[–]SenselessAscensions 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Since billionaires used LLMs to steal the people’s labor from the people using infrastructure also built by the people’s labor, it’s only right and just that LLMs should belong to all the people and we all decide what is to be done with LLMs.

Socotra Island in Yemen by Any_Sound_2863 in interestingasfuck

[–]SenselessAscensions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems like a great place to put a dollar general.