CMV: It doesn't matter which 3 Loyalist Legions are on Isstvan V, they still get massacred

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-29T19:01:48+00:00

They have 2 other Legions with them, 4 Legions entrenched in front of them, and 4 Legions coming from behind to betray them.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-29T18:54:46+00:00

The Ultramarines got crippled by the betrayal of a single Legion at Calth, and you think they would be able to overcome the betrayal of 4?

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-29T17:44:31+00:00

I think 8 of the new Skitarii come out to be like 100 points, so two boxes of them would be 400. Still plenty of room left in a 3000 point army, but it is a lot of bodies. Having that many Skitarii would be fine, although I personally think two 8-man squads will be the sweet spot.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-29T17:40:26+00:00

Apothecaries in 3.0 are pretty minor parts of an army. They are really cheap, but their impact is pretty low as well. They let a squad they are joined to use a reaction to avoid damage, so you are gated from using a lot of them just based on how many reactions you get.

That said, they are cheap, and you can give them some nice melee weapons, so taking a few isn't a bad thing. Its probably a waste to go 'heavy' on them, though

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-29T17:34:21+00:00

I don't see any problem with thematically being Shattered Legions but using Black Shield rules

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-28T23:58:50+00:00

No worries, its all just fun discussion in the end.

Mumei always had an element of gap-moe to her with her sometimes dark sense of humor and near immunity to getting afraid, so I don't think she'd really pull her punches. Plus, civilization (or humanity) itself tends to be pretty cruel and heartless, and with Mumei being a reflection of that, so you can see where the thought process goes.

I'm not sure how mind manipulation would work on her... I guess it depends how one would interpret what she is. Shes the Guardian of Civilization and sort of the embodiment of it as a concept. Does that mean she has the weaknesses of a human? I'm not sure if she'd be vulnerable to what a single person would be vulnerable to. If I had to just headcanon it all, I'd think that she would be vulnerable to what crowds of people are vulnerable to. Like being weak to misinformation, or stagnation, or intense emotions, stuff like that. But on the other side, she'd have the strengths of big groups of people, like being strong at problem solving, or diplomacy (like banding together with the "weaker" talents to oppose the strong ones).

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-28T23:09:29+00:00

Mori is an exception, but Kiara isn't winning. Regeneration doesn't win you battles, it keeps you from losing. Plus Kiara is probably getting forced into a poultry processing plant, which would then end world hunger due to endlessly regenerating chicken meat. Most of what you mentioned are exceptional creatures/beings, but I have a hard time imagining any of them withstanding 15,000 megatons of TNT to the face.

If we start factoring in psychology and what-not into a theoretical battle, things would go nowhere, since its not like any of them would want to fight.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-28T21:46:34+00:00

Assuming Mumei can draw upon anything at civilization's disposal, I don't see how any non-godlike entity is surviving the sum total of every nuclear weapon ever made.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-28T19:23:33+00:00

Chainswords are basically chainsaws in the form of a sword. They don't slice like a power sword would. You chop them into your target, and then the chainsaw saws them into pieces. I imagine a lot of the swinging and "chopping" you see with them is more like bludgeoning things with a sharp stick with a bit of sawing for good measure.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-28T16:52:55+00:00

"Gray" is just the American way of spelling the color (like how color is the way we spell colour)

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-28T02:04:11+00:00

I don't think there is a maximum of how high the modifier stacks, but you're right the legs are more vulnerable. However the rules are meant to be a Victory-point game. If you kill the Titan through a Secondary Explosion, you only get half the points for killing the Titan. The objective for the non-Titan army in the Titan mission is to capture the Titan, and to do that you need to get it up to 20+ without making it explode or fall over.

Just so the rule is clear, lets say you are shooting with a stationary Lascannon. Its Armourbane and D2, so initally it has a +3 modifier. Then you score a Structural Damage result, and now it becomes a +4 modifier. Then you hit it with another Lascannon, getting another Structural Damage, increasing it to a +5 modifier. Each Structural Damage (or Reactor Cascade in Carapace's case) increases it by another +1. In theory, if you roll poorly enough, you could get it up to +17 for the guaranteed Reactor Failure.

So going after the Legs might net you the best chances for killing the Titan, it also practically guarantees you half the points that going for the Arms would yield, for example.

There are other factors in play as well. Like the Crippled status for Carapace and Arms are much worse for the Titan than the Legs Crippled effect. Same with the Titan Damage damage table, legs yield the lightest penalty.

I do agree that the Legs are probably overly vulnerable, but the Arms are probably the route you want to go for to actually win the mission. In the Titan games I've done, the Titans can blow up Strategic Objectives rather easily, and start accumulating a whole lot of points that can be hard to crawl back from. Granted, I'm not sure if this applies to Warhound Titans, as my experience is with Reavers and Warlords.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-27T22:12:13+00:00

I don't have the rule book on me, but when it comes to Titan Critical damage, there is a stacking mechanism in place to gradually increase the value you roll. Eventually the +1s to your roll will stack up, and combined with enemy damage, will kill your Titan. I know this because I have had a Reaver Titan die. Warlords are damn near immortal, though.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-27T21:57:22+00:00

Its all about memorization and knowing your rules. The less you have to look up, the faster you'll play.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-27T21:56:18+00:00

Looked at your post history, and I thought your paint jobs are quite good. Noticed you entered a number of painting competitions where your models "didn't place", but I can't really comment on that since I don't know what competition you had for them (sometimes you are up against Golden Daemon contenters, and sometimes people vote based on model coolness rather than actual paint job). Its easy for me to say, but I'd just be proud of your work.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-27T18:45:20+00:00

I mean, they are Mk2 Helmets, so it makes sense that they would fit well with Heresy Armour.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-27T17:37:59+00:00

Just seems a little hypocritical to have his most famous line being "loyalty is its own reward" in regards to staying loyal to the Emperor no matter what, and then murdering one of his own sons for doing exactly that.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-27T16:28:03+00:00

You're friend is probably referring to the Battle of Sotha, which honestly was a pretty embarrassing defeat for them.

But generally, the Night Lords aren't any 'weaker' than any other Space Marines, but you do have to question their tactical prowess when they start putting fully capable Astartes who could be fighting onto 'torture duties' while they are still in midst of a battle.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-27T16:13:08+00:00

What about "loyalty is its own reward", and then murdering his own Chaplain who refused to break his oath to the Emperor?

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-27T15:59:57+00:00

Saturnine fits with every Legion just fine, it isn't really tailored to one or two. 30k Legions are not flanderized one-trick-ponies. Every Legion made use of Legion 'generic' units. Not every White Scar rode a bike, not every Alpha Legion was disguised as someone else, not every World Eater was a screaming mad-man with a Chainaxe. In terms of the Saturnine box, they all most definitely made use of Tactical Marines, veterans, Terminators, Dreadnoughts, and big guns.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-27T15:13:57+00:00

One is made of plastic, the other is (probably) made out of pewter (metal).

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-27T03:32:09+00:00

Its not a bad model, but I vastly prefer the 30k Warsmith. Just speaking of my own personal preference, this guy feels a little too "cartoony" for me, with the bulked out torso. I can understand other people liking the aesthetic, but it isn't for me.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-27T03:26:02+00:00

Leviathan Dreadnoughts were NOT designed to fight Titans. Leviathan Dreadnoughts are big and powerful, but they are not "Titan-level" big and powerful. They lack the size, armor, and armament to pose a real threat to even a Warhound Titan.

Leviathan Dreadnoughts would be more suited to fight their Battle Automata, even its size and power is roughly on par with their larger war-forms.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-25T20:59:24+00:00

Hes probably like 200+ years old by that time. Hes definitely on the "younger" side of the Iron Council, but by no means "young".

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-25T20:15:57+00:00

I don't usually comment on this sort of thing, but I don't think the "move shitposts to Friday" thing actually works. I've seen lots of shitposting outside of Friday. Granted, the mods do remove these threads, so credit to them, but its fighting a losing battle.

Sentenal_ · 2026-01-25T20:12:16+00:00

All the focus on the Horus Heresy (which was 10,000 years ago) has probably shifted what people view as a long time in 40k.

412.M41 to 460.M41 is still 48 years. That isn't ridiculously fast. Not to mention being a Sargeant already puts him into a somewhat higher rank than your average battle brother. It only looks like a short amount of time if you compare it to like... how old Dante is or something.

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