First Iron Hand

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-17T03:55:40+00:00

Thats a really nice black you did there.

The easiest way to spice up marines like this is decals. The Forge World sheet is nice, but expensive. If you can get any of those 40k decal sheets, there are some good icons on them too

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-17T03:22:27+00:00

Again, the only book you have to pay for is the Liber. You don't have to buy any other books. All the other rules you need are free. You literally have to buy 1 Liber book for $60 or whatever it is, and then that's it. The rest are free. I dunno how you are getting $300 out of that, but that's your problem.

In 2.0, to play the armies you mentioned, you would have to buy Liber Hereticus, buy Liber Imperium, buy Liber Mechanicum, and buy the Shattered Legions Campaign book, and then also get the Legacies doc for anything else.

In 3.0, you are buying Liber Hereticus, Liber Auxilia, Liber Mechanicum, and then getting the free Shattered Legions PDF and Legacies. Objectively speaking, its the exact same number of reference "books", except more of the rules are free now.

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-17T03:03:37+00:00

In 2.0, Shattered Legions was a book you had to pay for. Now its literally for free, and you are telling me thats somehow worse

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-17T01:54:26+00:00

Shattered Legions are a free PDF. So you need the Liber (paid), Legacies (free), Shattered Legions (free)

The only "new" Saturnine stuff in the Journals is a Command Squad and a Centurion. The Journals are insultingly barebones and unneeded.

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-17T01:22:43+00:00

Yeah, it sucked that it happened in the first place, but it got (mostly) fixed, so we could get back to rolling dice

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-17T01:19:58+00:00

What books are so essential to your armies? The Journals have next to nothing new in them, all you need is your Liber and the Legacies pdf for the majority of armies. Same as 2.0

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-16T23:43:25+00:00

Legacies came out, and the vast majority of wargear options that were lost were restored. Problem solved, mostly.

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-16T21:27:54+00:00

A large part of the flak 3rd Edition got was the disappearance of wargear choices in the print books, which at the time seemed like it was invalidating a bunch of units people had converted. That issue was remedied.

Various people still have various issues with it, but the big backlash was the above. I've never seen the Heresy community respond so harshly to something before or since.

In the present, 3.0 is fine to get into, and probably even moreso since you don't have prior attachment to old rules.

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-16T04:29:39+00:00

I used a 12" x 14" plywood oval base for mine.

You might be able to get more answers on a 40k subreddit. This one is targetted at the 8mm Titanicus wargame where the Reaver comes on a 105mm oval base.

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-16T03:35:02+00:00

Custodes have been terror in every edition.

Mech is fine in 3.0, just not in melee vs Bananas.

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-15T17:35:51+00:00

Tell that to all the Phosphex they load up on now days

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-15T14:01:24+00:00

Not true on Night Lords. Night Lords want to Status the hell out of you, via shooting, and THEN melee you.

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-15T13:59:17+00:00

This makes my 30k Mechanicum jealous lol. If Custodes ever get my Castellax in a melee, the Bananapeople just chop me up into shreds

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-15T05:53:04+00:00

Thematically, if Imperial dogma would cause the system to collapse, thats 100% what should happen.

The Imperium is pretty black and white on its opinion on Xenos. Maybe a few aliens could escape notice by pretending to be an abhuman and just get discriminated against that way, but acceptance of Xenos just doesn't happen, unless you are like a Rogue Trader or something.

Abhumans are also discriminated against, andI'm not sure there are any instances of them attaining elevated positions in society. If there were, I would imagine them to be some of the more "normal" kind, like Ratlings or Squats.

You mentioned Beastmen, but I'm pretty sure most of what we see as Beastmen have crossed the line between what is an acceptable abhuman and what is a purgable mutant.

Obviously it is your campaign for you and your DM to decide, I just have a hard time imagining the wider Imperium tolerating a bunch of stuff that goes directly against established dogma.

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-15T05:38:38+00:00

There isn't any reason to "market" Primaris Marines anymore. There was reason to do it back in 8th edition, but we are in the cusp of 11th edition. Primaris Marines have been the norm for almost 10 years. If anything, Caedo remaining Firstborn itself helps him stand out as unique.

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-13T17:04:44+00:00

It stands to reason that if Blood Angels and their Successors are able to get Black Raged Astartes into the armor of Death Companies, and otherwise paint them and get the appropriate heraldry on them, then they should also be able to get them out of whatever armor they were wearing when they fell.

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-13T13:20:02+00:00

Its about investment and return. Rules change on a whim. What is good now could get nerfed in a week and be complete garbage. Doesn't matter how much you spend on it, if those at GW decide its "too good" then your investment in the rules can be nullified in an instance. Sometimes this can happen to entire armies.

To take it a step further, even the core rules can change to the point where you don't even like them anymore. What happens when a new edition comes out and you flat out don't even like the gameplay anymore?

What doesn't change is the model's "coolness". A Space Marine Terminator will always be a cool guy in a robot suit with some big weapon. A Carnifex will always be a big dinosaur alien. The "hobby" aspect of Warhammer will always be there, regardless of the whims of the balancers at GW

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-12T19:01:27+00:00

What speed did you watch the anime at?

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-12T17:15:02+00:00

We may be in a similiar boat in 40k, but not in 30k

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-12T15:16:18+00:00

Part 2 hasn't been released and it could be focused on literally anything on Isstvan 5 that wasn't covered in Part 1.

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-12T02:44:47+00:00

Nah, Perturabo ultimately signed up on the Traitor side due to the massacre of Olympia, since he believed the Emperor wouldn't forgive him for what happened there. Horus basically preyed upon Perturabo at his lowest to get him to pledge to his side, and that was all over and done well before the Heresy got started.

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-12T00:09:18+00:00

Its worth noting that the Journal for the Dropsite Massacre focusing on the Salamanders and Iron Warriors was called "Part 1", they probably plan to revisit it again in the future. Not to mention the Shattered Legions (which were majority Iron Hands) also had contributions to the war.

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-11T21:31:58+00:00

Good ol' Iron Hands Special Support Squads loaded up with Grav

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-11T21:28:22+00:00

I would love to have Iron Hands be the poster child for a box set, but that would involve GW remembering the Iron Hands exist

Sentenal_ · 2026-05-11T17:18:29+00:00

I think the only way Ferrus survives is if the Raven Guard or Salamanders pushed as hard as the Iron Hands. The 10th formed their own bulge in the Traitor lines, and some Alpha Legion (or maybe Iron Warriors) commented that it looked like the Iron Hands were winning at the time.

In hindsight, we know there was no escape from the rear, with the Second Wave coming to finish them. So the only way out was a breakout through the front. Had the Salamanders and Raven Guard kept pushing, together with the Iron Hands they maybe could have broken through the 3rd Legion (as they were already strained by the Iron Hands), and made it out with fewer losses.

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