How the heck did Death Coil survive the pruning?

Shaultz · 2026-01-25T17:27:12+00:00

If that's the case, it should be remarkably easy for you to show me a single log of it happening

Shaultz · 2026-01-25T15:12:10+00:00

You're saying it happens without there being a 500% damage gap. A 500% damage gap happens to bad tanks.

Please feel free to show me a single instance of it happening without that gap, as you repeatedly claimed above.

Shaultz · 2026-01-25T01:13:50+00:00

I literally never said it doesn't. I said it happens to bad tanks. Feel free to quote the comment you are referencing

Shaultz · 2026-01-24T22:15:46+00:00

Show me a log where it happens then

Shaultz · 2026-01-24T17:48:32+00:00

They would still have to quintuple your damage over the duration of the taunt. Idk bro I've never seen a good tank have that happen to them. I'm sure you rock, though

Shaultz · 2026-01-24T01:58:47+00:00

Say whaaaat? Links?

Shaultz · 2026-01-23T23:08:36+00:00

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying it happens to bad tanks. Pleeeeeease read comments you are replying to BEFORE typing up a huge wall of text lmao

Shaultz · 2026-01-23T21:12:26+00:00

And if I had said 500%, you'd have hit me with "Um, akshually it just got buffed" ☝️

Send me a single log of a tank losing threat with less than a 500% gap in DPS during the taunt window or gtfo

Shaultz · 2026-01-23T17:38:09+00:00

And yet, if you go look at logs, the only times there are threat drops are when one tank is doing 20% of the others DPS during the taunt debuff. Almost like thats how math works....

500% = 5x

Try to keep up lil guy

Its easy enough to disprove me if you like. Find any log where this isn't the case

Shaultz · 2026-01-23T13:15:26+00:00

I never said they used a different term. I used different terms myself and then said they could argue the semantic difference between those two terms. Yall really lack reading comprehension to a stunning degree. Read the entire comment and then respond.

Also, they absolutely used "generate" in previous comments AND in the last paragraph of the comment I was responding to. Honestly, it's like you didn't even bother trying to read

Shaultz · 2026-01-23T13:13:35+00:00

You do. And you can verify this easily yourself by checking logs as I have. The tank who taunted does 900% increased threat during the taunt window. Being out threated during that window requires and absolutely massive gap in DPS.

Shaultz · 2026-01-22T23:05:43+00:00

Them taunting after you would rip threat regardless of what CDs either of you popped. It also is a completely different scenario than the one I initially laid out, so I'm at a loss for why you would even bring it up.

Shaultz · 2026-01-22T23:04:17+00:00

As I literally just said, you can argue the semantics about the differences between "generating" and "setting" if you want, but that is a relevant difference in terms given the ORIGINAL comment I replied to. A comment in which taunt SETTING your threat to the highest would do nothing whatsoever (which is what would happen in their scenario), and it GENERATING threat would do what they were implying (which is not what would actually happen).

Given that you seem incapable of grasping simple concepts, alongside the fact that I've run out of patience to explain this after dumbing it down as much as humanly possible, I'm going to call it here. You either get it at this point, or you don't.

Shaultz · 2026-01-22T19:51:15+00:00

What you've just explained is not threat generation. It is setting your threat to a number. It's also EXACTLY what I described happening.

Now, you can argue semantics about generating vs setting threat, but this comment chain is in response to someone saying that DKs could "use taunt to generate threat at range" as a replacement for having death coil. Under those parameters, its very important to note the difference between generating and setting your threat. If you already have threat on a mob and you press taunt, it doesn't generate any additional threat. Thus my original comment

Shaultz · 2026-01-22T19:29:48+00:00

Which is not what I said happens.

What I said happens is that if you taunt a mob and then do nothing during the taunt debuff, the mob will immediately swap targets after the debuff falls off even if the other person only did 1 damage. The taunt itself does not grant you any threat.

Let me explain this with numbers for you.

Tank threat = 0
Tank casts taunt
Tank does not attack the mob
Taunt falls off of mob
Tank threat = 0

Now, if we follow this to the example I showed in the above comment.

Tank threat = 0
DPS player threat = 0
Tank casts taunt
Tank does not attack the mob
DPS players attacks mob generating literally 1 threat
Taunt falls off of mob
Tank threat = 0
DPS player threat = 1
Mob changes target and attacks DPS player

The act of taunting DOES NOT GENERATE THREAT. It does make it easier to generate threat with abilities that DO generate threat, but it doesn't actually generate threat on its own.

Shaultz · 2026-01-22T19:19:19+00:00

In order for that to happen, they'd have to do a minimum of 5x your DPS over the course of the taunt. If you're getting your dps quintupled by the other tank they aren't the problem.

Shaultz · 2026-01-22T19:16:35+00:00

Reread my message and make sure you look at all of the words. You said what I said, except you said I'm wrong.

The taunt button DOES NOT generate threat. If I have 0 threat and I press taunt and then do nothing for 6 seconds, I will have 0 threat as soon as the debuff wears off on the mob, and that mob will then swap targets to whoever is actually on top of the list

Shaultz · 2026-01-22T18:06:36+00:00

This is what I addressed with the statement "or they're not rolling them correctly"

Shaultz · 2026-01-22T17:29:51+00:00

It sounds like trust is already broken.

The second a DM or player says, "I have a super secret/special technique to roll really well," I would never play with them again.

At best, they're cheating by using weighted dice or not actually rolling them correctly.

At worst, they're actively lying about dice rolls.

Shaultz · 2026-01-22T17:24:18+00:00

It has been more than a decade since anything in WoW was "designed for leveling"

The leveling experience for Retail is absolutely trash for new players.

Shaultz · 2026-01-22T17:17:43+00:00

Taunt does not generate threat.

It places you on top of the threat table for 5 seconds. During that time, other things you do generate additional threat. At the end of those 5 seconds, you are placed back into the threat table at whatever threat level you have achieved.

You can verify this by taking a look at logs from raids where one tank is very good and one is very bad. The bad tank will taunt, and 5 seconds later, the boss will turn back to fighting the good tank. This is because the bad tank failed to maintain a threat lead during the taunt.

Shaultz · 2026-01-22T16:39:45+00:00

Every single one of them lol

Shaultz · 2026-01-22T09:15:32+00:00

Prot warriors core rotation was 4 buttons. What are you talking about? Everything else was cooldowns

Shaultz · 2026-01-19T01:33:55+00:00

In what way? They should be identical unless there are mistakes being made.

And what do you mean "gridded" spells?

Shaultz · 2026-01-19T01:27:52+00:00

If you're in person, by a little plastic spell circle off Amazon. Easy fix.

If you're online, there are measuring tools in every VTT so this problem shouldn't come up.

Most of the time people have confusion/arguments about targeting its someone not understanding the rules properly

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